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Ralph woof
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.08 12:41:00 -
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Seriously, almost every pvp corp i see has a teamspeak requirement.
I really dislike electronic communications since there are many times i am like "i didnt catch that, repeat" or "what". Multiply that a few times and its pretty annoying that is why i prefer communicating through text more.(i still dont know why teamspeak is so important in a game like eve that isnt aboutt insanely great reflexes and apm but well, i havent managed to pvp and doubt i will)
So my question is, do pvp corps that dont use teamspeak exist? Or the only ones that dont use it are some very very minor corps that dont affect anything important in the eve world? |
Ovv Topik
Proposition Thirteen The Third Rail
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Posted - 2012.12.08 13:04:00 -
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Watch a few fleet PVP vids on youtube mate, and you'll see why voice coms are essential. I don't even fleet PVP, but you can clearly see the disadvantage the group would be at not being able to call primary asap. ti'n siarad Cymraeg? |
Praxis Ginimic
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Posted - 2012.12.08 13:37:00 -
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Not all eve pvp corps use ts... Some use vent
But really, eve pvp DOES require insanely fast reflexes and instant Intel. Without voice comms you face a major disadvantage andto be honest, with the inherent danger of undocking indy corps should be using voice comms to relay intel as well |
Merouk Baas
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Posted - 2012.12.08 13:47:00 -
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Yes, they do exist.
They probably suck at PVP though. |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
601
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Posted - 2012.12.08 13:57:00 -
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Ralph woof wrote:Seriously, almost every pvp corp i see has a teamspeak requirement.
I really dislike electronic communications since there are many times i am like "i didnt catch that, repeat" or "what". Multiply that a few times and its pretty annoying that is why i prefer communicating through text more.(i still dont know why teamspeak is so important in a game like eve that isnt aboutt insanely great reflexes and apm but well, i havent managed to pvp and doubt i will)
So my question is, do pvp corps that dont use teamspeak exist? Or the only ones that dont use it are some very very minor corps that dont affect anything important in the eve world?
Yet plenty of PvP corps that use Ventrillo, EVE Voice or mumble...
But really, if you think you can PvP with text based orders, please think again.
In the time that you type that you have aggro on something, you are already dead before you can finish your message.
Voice comms are 10x (or more) faster then typing and as PvP in EVE is actually fast paced you need fast order/response.
About not hearing it, tweek the settings (locally boost the FC while turning down the others helps) and eventually orders will become a 2nd nature.
Text only PvP corps will always suck in PvP fights against others that do use voice comms
And I can clearly see you haven't done any PvP, as actually it is about instant reflexes, 0.1 second can make the difference between a tackle and kill or someone warping off. 0.1 seconds can be the difference of grabbing aggro on a fleet or having them jump gates. 0.1 seconds can make a lot of difference in PvP. Old look Corporation recruitment thread Corporation Website |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting The Paganism Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.08 15:56:00 -
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I prefer the in ingame voice options over Teamspeak, so does the majority of my corp. So there you have it. |
Aria Ta'Rohk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.08 17:08:00 -
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Silent fleet = dead fleet
The reason is nobody is going to spend 100% of their time watching the chat window, as it takes their attention away from the situation at hand. It is much easier (and faster) to simply press a key and voice your concerns, than it is to type them. Compare the amount of time it takes to say "I've got point" to typing it. I'm sure the results will be unsurprising |
Amarra Mandalin
Protocol 52
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Posted - 2012.12.08 19:50:00 -
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There are a fair amount of people who aren't fond of non-fleet comms in Eve for various reasons. While I wouldn't join a group that didn't require comms during fleet, I think some go overboard with requiring one to be on 24/7.
Some have a valid reason more or less but it is a game and not a job. You can always look for a corp with more flexibility and any decent corp will have an AFK channel or such where you can hang out and avoid the mind-numbing chatter, if that's what's bugging you.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2086
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Posted - 2012.12.08 21:43:00 -
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Mumble checking in!
If those corps exist, they can't run fleets of performance as high as those using voice comms. The main reason is that, in a fight, keeping a finger on the PTT button gives far faster communication and thus better collaboration than dedicating both of your hands to typing does. This means that critical fleet commands like "everyone get off the gate" or "Drake is bait, primary the Hurricane instead" or "Petrus needs reps now!" which would save a situation or win a fight -- may be woefully late by the time you push Enter to send them.
If you're having trouble understanding people, you should ask them to speak more clearly, or look for problems with your headphones/speakers, your/their internet connection, or their mic. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Max Godsnottlingson
Bitter Veterans
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Posted - 2012.12.09 13:33:00 -
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To PvP you at the very least need to have active ears on, even if you don't speak yourself.
However, I also understand some of where the OP is coming from. what with Eve being the multi national game it is, voice comms can be difficult at times when you are having to put up with different accents, none english (as their first language) speakers.
I remember during the hight of the Great Delve war going on roams with GBC Fleets and some of the hillarity, frustration, anger cause by Shrike's (I think, it's a long time ago for me now) heavy accent. |
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2012.12.09 13:54:00 -
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Ways to avoid communication problems:
- Enunciate clearly
- Use a proper microphone and set it up properly
- When calling targets, use phonetic alphabet to spell the name rather than trying to say it
- Fly with people enough that you know what mmmfmfmrrm mean's "Primary is broadcast" while "ffmdnssm" means "gate is red, do not jump"
- Use decent headphones
- Don't claim to be a girl with a broken microphone when you are in fact an overweight balding neck beard, that lie will catch up with you eventually, usually in a bad way.
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Mr Pragmatic
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Posted - 2012.12.09 14:54:00 -
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6) I am a fat balding neckbeard girl...Don't take this away from me. Vote for me in the next CSM Elections. I will fight for the interest of all Hi-sec dwellers. No longer will you be cast aside and disparged.-á |
Polly Oxford
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.09 14:58:00 -
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We have some deaf persons who can PvP just fine, someone just transcribes the FCs orders. Besides that just hang out with the people that lead fleets and you will understand them better after a while. |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
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Posted - 2012.12.09 15:09:00 -
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Merouk Baas wrote:Yes, they do exist.
They probably suck at PVP though.
I don't use TS... or any comms
So I probably suck. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1022
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Posted - 2012.12.09 18:07:00 -
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I'll just add that the average FC (that's a fleet commander) in EVE is not a 12 year old kid yelling into his mike that's half an inch from his mouth, while his parents argue in the background. I've flown with all kinds of different people, and only very very rarely I have problems understanding somebody. And I am not a native English speaker. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2097
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Posted - 2012.12.09 18:09:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote: 6. Don't claim to be a girl with a broken microphone when you are in fact an overweight balding neck beard, that lie will catch up with you eventually, usually in a bad way.
Heh. Guildmate of mine in another MMO did this because he was embarrassed he had a female avatar. I'm somewhat baffled. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
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Posted - 2012.12.09 18:53:00 -
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It's not very difficult to get by using teamspeak. I'm a diehard keyboarder like yourself. Talking really helps you get information on the enemy status quickly while you're also moving your ship. PVP does get pretty quick at times. But if you want a reference for stuff you might have missed, most fleet commanders will make broadcasts, and the fleet window shows those. I always have my fleet broadcasts up to make sure I don't miss something important, like where the fleet went when they disappeared suddenly. If your FC doesn't broadcast everything and doesn't fleet warp you, then you should be asking your FC to do these things. Not doing that is bad for fleet cohesion.
And don't worry too much! They have to keep 20-50 people together (for a medium-sized roam) so you can bet they've got a system that makes it easy. A good FC makes it really easy to tell what's going on. They repeat repeat repeat everything important, and state everything clearly. So it's not so bad. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
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Posted - 2012.12.09 20:44:00 -
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Only way to PvP without voice comms is to do it solo. Or, I suppose, to do it and lose. In the 20 seconds that it would take for the FC to type out an order, and then for you to read that order and react, many fights would already be decided one way or another. If you have a hard time with spoken English then find, or start, a corp that uses your native language for comms. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2012.12.09 21:47:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Heh. Guildmate of mine in another MMO did this because he was embarrassed he had a female avatar. I'm somewhat baffled.
Wait... female avatar... shame... MY GAWD! IT ALL COMES TOGETHER NAOW! I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Dasola
Rookie Empire Citizens Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.09 21:56:00 -
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Well the level of order and practise required to be able to do it text only is massive, Its much easyer and faster usually to do it over voice. Most pvp organisation use outside eve voice so no matter whats happen on eve servers, they can communicate, theorycraft, etc....
You cant use chat or eve voice if you cant login for game. [Insert something funny or smart here]
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J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
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Posted - 2012.12.09 22:26:00 -
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Dasola wrote:Well the level of order and practise required to be able to do it text only is massive, Its much easyer and faster usually to do it over voice. Most pvp organisation use outside eve voice so no matter whats happen on eve servers, they can communicate, theorycraft, etc....
You cant use chat or eve voice if you cant login for game.
You can use EVE Voice while on the EVE gate (look up on top menu...)
But your point is valid...Most use 3rd party comms cause it makes them independent from EVE, so even during server downtime they can meet up, chat or discuss stuff. Old look Corporation recruitment thread Corporation Website |
Zoe Athame
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.09 23:01:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Mara Rinn wrote: 6. Don't claim to be a girl with a broken microphone when you are in fact an overweight balding neck beard, that lie will catch up with you eventually, usually in a bad way.
Heh. Guildmate of mine in another MMO did this because he was embarrassed he had a female avatar. I'm somewhat baffled.
Petrus, if you aren't a sleek black man IRL I will be disappointed. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
247
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Posted - 2012.12.10 03:23:00 -
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Zoe Athame wrote:Petrus, if you aren't a sleek black man IRL I will be disappointed. He sounds like a skinny medium-toned guy to me. But I've been wrong before. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
Sugar Kyle
The humbleless Crew Capital Punishment.
129
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Posted - 2012.12.10 04:37:00 -
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Coms for PvP do not have to equal coms all of the time.
We are almost never on teamspeak unless we are in a PvP situation. The moment a fleet goes up for PvP we log onto our TS server. It is faster and more effective. People have a lot of things going on and being able to snap out orders and responses helps. Our idle chatter stays in our game channels. Tilde soaked words from something kinda like a pirate. |
Cameron Zero
Red Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.10 15:53:00 -
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Merouk Baas wrote:Yes, they do exist.
They probably suck at PVP though.
RvB doesn't use Team Speak (or Ventrilo, or Mumble - except for Ganked roams), but DOES use Eve Voice for fleets. Trust me, it's way more helpful to hear someone calling targets than to be scanning text, especially in the middle of a fleet fight with twenty different things going on.
You don't need to be able to talk, but you should be able to hear. Also, turn your music down (or get headphones if you have a lot of background noise) if you can't clearly understand the speaker. "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. GǪ" |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
417
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Posted - 2012.12.10 15:57:00 -
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To be fair alot of fleets could in fact run by broadcasts and limited text, but if you can have voice comms why bother? If you have hearing or language issues it sucks but otherwise there is no bad side to voice comms. |
highonpop
Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension
406
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Posted - 2012.12.10 16:02:00 -
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Can you imagine trying to have everyone in fleet ask questions in fleet chat and call primaries at the same time? What a clusterf*ck that would be.
OP, you are the first player I have heard of that prefers not to fleet PvP with voice comms.
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Amarra Mandalin
Protocol 52
413
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Posted - 2012.12.11 02:20:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:I'll just add that the average FC (that's a fleet commander) in EVE is not a 12 year old kid yelling into his mike that's half an inch from his mouth, while his parents argue in the background. I've flown with all kinds of different people, and only very very rarely I have problems understanding somebody. And I am not a native English speaker.
No, it's a 30 year-old acting like a 12-year-old with his wife yelling in the background. ;) |
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