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Ryric Cynema
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:20:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:Ryric Cynema wrote:
Because of the lulz I get from ganking people in highsec. Why SHOULDN'T I be allowed to do that?
why should you be allowed to that?.... it makes no sense. let people make their isk then they will more than likely advance to pvp.... most do, hence the reason for making isk.
CCP designed the game the way it is on purpose. Think about that for a minute.
And that last sentence... no. No they won't. History has shown us people won't. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1367
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:22:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:Tippia wrote: Even people who would love to spend all their time in null or low choose not to because highsec offers such advantageous capabilities that it would be downright stupid to try to do stuff anywhere else.
you mean like not being ganked fpr sh*tz n giggles and loosing their stuff they worked ingame for? were you aiming for a comedy response or what?
If you want a game where you don't lose the stuff you worked for, there is plenty of other games out there that offer this. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
baltec1
Bat Country
3142
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:23:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:baltec1 wrote: Its very rare for someone to gank just for giggles. And when I say rare I mean as rare as finding a battlebarge activly hunting in low sec.
not true ... me and my old corpmates used to do just that and it still takes place on a rampant scale in eve.... and now it looks as if it will be commonplace in hisec in the not too far off future. so maybe not that rare now is it? ... Given that my corperation is responsible for most of the tears about ganking for the past year I am going to say no. Ganking is only rampent on the forums. |
starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
35
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:24:00 -
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Ryric Cynema wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:Ryric Cynema wrote:
Because of the lulz I get from ganking people in highsec. Why SHOULDN'T I be allowed to do that?
why should you be allowed to that?.... it makes no sense. let people make their isk then they will more than likely advance to pvp.... most do, hence the reason for making isk. CCP designed the game the way it is on purpose. Think about that for a minute. And that last sentence... no. No they won't. History has shown us people won't.
thats just silly.. sorry but it is.
course they will still pvp if its consensual, the only differance will be that they are prepared to defend themselves.... not scared of decent competition are you?
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starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
35
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:24:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:baltec1 wrote: Its very rare for someone to gank just for giggles. And when I say rare I mean as rare as finding a battlebarge activly hunting in low sec.
not true ... me and my old corpmates used to do just that and it still takes place on a rampant scale in eve.... and now it looks as if it will be commonplace in hisec in the not too far off future. so maybe not that rare now is it? ... Given that my corperation is responsible for most of the tears about ganking for the past year I am going to say no. Ganking is only rampent on the forums.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
4342
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:26:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:
scordite is what it is cos its contains 2 of the most important base ores for building just about everything ingame.
That doesn't make it right, it's an abundant resource as are the minerals in it, they can be obtained from multiple ores, the likes of arkonor, bistot and crokite as well as mercoxit produce some of the rarer minerals used in production, admittedly they're used in smaller quantities than trit and pyerite but their rarity should for all intents and purposes make them more profitable to mine.
starbelt stacy wrote: you would still have your designated area for pvp.. only differance would be it was consensual.
you wouldnt be trying to suggest that if you allowed people to make a choice that pvp in eve would suddenly die out would you???
almost every game to come out there are always a decent sized group who always ask foremost if there will be PVP ... it will be no differance to eve online.
i know some of the players their form of PVP is the equivalent of someone mugging a old man at the bus stop with his walking stick and bag of shopping and cant really defend himself... thats not PVP thats just a very poor show.
That's just it, we already have an area for PvP, it's called the entire universe. Making hisec a PvP free zone is a silly idea and would go against the whole ethos of Eve, it's meant to be a harsh and unforgiving game, trammelising hisec would kill that, and with it the uniqueness of Eve. If you want a PvE experience with consensual PvP I suggest playing another MMO, Eve is all about PvP and the non consensual nature of it.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can enforce your will on others. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10636
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:28:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:thats just silly.. sorry but it is. No, it's by design. That design has kept this MMO alive for a decade.
What is silly is this notion that doing away with fundamental design concepts like that and making the game more like the new ones that come out and instantly die would be a good thing.
Quote:course they will still pvp if its consensual He was saying that, no, if you let people make their ISK, history has shown that they are not more than likely to advance to PvP. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Quote:you lie Prove it.
baltec1 wrote:Ganking is only rampent on the forums. To be fair, it's been ages since I last got a GÇ£we were gankedGÇ¥ message. I only get 404s these days. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1830
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:28:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:Ryric Cynema wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:Ryric Cynema wrote:
Because of the lulz I get from ganking people in highsec. Why SHOULDN'T I be allowed to do that?
why should you be allowed to that?.... it makes no sense. let people make their isk then they will more than likely advance to pvp.... most do, hence the reason for making isk. CCP designed the game the way it is on purpose. Think about that for a minute. And that last sentence... no. No they won't. History has shown us people won't. thats just silly.. sorry but it is. course they will still pvp if its consensual, the only differance will be that they are prepared to defend themselves.... not scared of decent competition are you? Come up North and find out. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Ryric Cynema
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:29:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:Ryric Cynema wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:Ryric Cynema wrote:
Because of the lulz I get from ganking people in highsec. Why SHOULDN'T I be allowed to do that?
why should you be allowed to that?.... it makes no sense. let people make their isk then they will more than likely advance to pvp.... most do, hence the reason for making isk. CCP designed the game the way it is on purpose. Think about that for a minute. And that last sentence... no. No they won't. History has shown us people won't. thats just silly.. sorry but it is. course they will still pvp if its consensual, the only differance will be that they are prepared to defend themselves.... not scared of decent competition are you?
You're just being ignorant now. You've apparently been playing since 2007. Stop acting like this is some new discovery.
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baltec1
Bat Country
3145
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:30:00 -
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Quote:you lie A bold thing to say to people who have delt almost 4 trillion in damage to freighter pilots alone. |
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
55
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:30:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:people should be free to play how they like as long as they obey the rules, and i would certainly do away with non-consensual pvp... its balls most of the time and just shows the predatory / trolling nature of a chunk of this playerbase.
Even though I'm a highsec dweller, I would certainly not "do away" with non-consensual pvp. It's a most essential part of the game.Please do not try to tell me, how I should play the game. Thank you. lol? .. did you actually read what i wrote? ... i didnt stipulate / make demands how anyone should play their game, that's my entire point of this post. this is about the only game i know of that has non-consenual pvp the other games have a designated server / area / zone for that. and that is being taken away from high sec people too. I read your text thoroughly. And I outlined the parts that matter for you. you would still have your designated area for pvp.. only differance would be it was consensual. you wouldnt be trying to suggest that if you allowed people to make a choice that pvp in eve would suddenly die out would you??? almost every game to come out there are always a decent sized group who always ask foremost if there will be PVP ... it will be no differance to eve online. i know some of the players their form of PVP is the equivalent of someone mugging a old man at the bus stop with his walking stick and bag of shopping and cant really defend himself... thats not PVP thats just a very poor show. I can see that you do not understand .
Non consensual PvP in EVE is an essential part of the game for me. Everywhere in the game, including highsec. I don't have to actually take part in any PvP at a given moment in time. The possibility just has to be there. The ever present risk is part of the fun in this game. It is one of the reasons why I play EVE, why I like EVE.
Removing non consensual PvP from Highsec, the part of the game I live in atm, effectively reduces an important part of the fun I have in this game. Whether I take actively part in PvP actions or not while I'm online does not matter.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2087
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:31:00 -
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Tippia wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ganking is only rampent on the forums. To be fair, it's been ages since I last got a GÇ£we were gankedGÇ¥ message. I only get 404s these days. Replace the page number in the URL with a random number for a page that doesn't exist. You can always be ganked if you want to! Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
77
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:33:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote: you would still have your designated area for pvp.. only differance would be it was consensual.
you wouldnt be trying to suggest that if you allowed people to make a choice that pvp in eve would suddenly die out would you???
No way.
EvE is a sandbox, basically the only sandbox game on the market. Open PvP is a characteristic of any sandbox game. Changing this means destorying the sandbox model and also destorying EvE since is a game born and shaped so and doesn't have other evaluable non-sandbox contents.
starbelt stacy wrote: almost every game to come out there are always a decent sized group who always ask foremost if there will be PVP ... it will be no differance to eve online.
Yes, in any other game is like you say. So do not touch the only game where this is different. If we are here and not in "any other game out there" there're reasons.... |
starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
35
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:34:00 -
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Ryric Cynema wrote:
You're just being ignorant now. You've apparently been playing since 2007. Stop acting like this is some new discovery.
let me let you into a little secret.....
thats when "THIS CHARACTER" was created, dont let that confuse you of the time when i started playing EvE Online. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10636
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:34:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Tippia wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ganking is only rampent on the forums. To be fair, it's been ages since I last got a GÇ£we were gankedGÇ¥ message. I only get 404s these days. Replace the page number in the URL with a random number for a page that doesn't exist. You can always be ganked if you want to! That just gives me a 404, not a GÇ£gankedGÇ¥.
edit: Then again, I just remembered that I had put the GÇ£gankedGÇ¥-page in my content blocker, so no wonder I never see it.
starbelt stacy wrote:let me let you into a little secret.....
thats when "THIS CHARACTER" was created, dont let that confuse you of the time when i started playing EvE Online. So it's a bought character? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1369
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:35:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:thats just silly.. sorry but it is.
course they will still pvp if its consensual, the only differance will be that they are prepared to defend themselves.... not scared of decent competition are you?
Removing non-consenual PvP would not work out the way you seem to think. Be careful what you wish for.
It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
207
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:36:00 -
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Answers to the OP, pick any number. 1. Because not to put too fine a point on it, the vast majority of highsecers who post on these forums are whiney, self entitled individuals who think its ok to call me a sociopath or scum or any number of other hyberbolic insults because I like to pvp and simultaniously spew endless complaints about how mean people are to them because they live in high sec. You're the ones flinging the **** at us, dont act so shocked when we occasionally retaliate.
2. The amount of you who seem to believe that highsec carries any significant degree of risk that cannot be negated by the most minimal amount of preparation and awareness plus the massive rewards you reap under that lack of risk. Simply put, you make too much money too easily and you do this in much greater safety than people who live anywhere else. Nowhere else in New Eden has an omnipotent force patrolling the entire area waiting to blast any aggressors to atoms Nowhere else in New Eden is protected from hot drops and capital ships Nowhere else has that combination of income and built in protection.
3. The idiots who refuse to accept responsibility for their actions. The main and usually only reason for people dying in highsec is because they were stupid, either through lack of prep, overconfidence or just plain not paying attention. Now you might argue that when it comes to suicide ganks thats not the case but the overwhelming amount of the time it really is. People puting massive values in poorly tanked ships (everyone remembers the 74 plex kestrel right?), autopiloting freighters with their entire net worth in the hold or fitting deadspace and officer modules to their mining barges are being ******* dumb, no two ways about it really, then they come to the forums and whine about it and refuse to accept any possibility it might have been their own fault. Yeah, **** those guys.
The rest of you, the ones we can have an actual discussion with rather than having talking points yelled at us, you guys are pretty cool. |
Ryric Cynema
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
7
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:36:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:Ryric Cynema wrote:
You're just being ignorant now. You've apparently been playing since 2007. Stop acting like this is some new discovery.
let me let you into a little secret..... thats when "THIS CHARACTER" was created, dont let that confuse you of the time when i started playing EvE Online.
So you're either older, making you even more ignorant, or you bought the character. That would also explain a lot. |
starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
36
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:42:00 -
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Ryric Cynema wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:Ryric Cynema wrote:
You're just being ignorant now. You've apparently been playing since 2007. Stop acting like this is some new discovery.
let me let you into a little secret..... thats when "THIS CHARACTER" was created, dont let that confuse you of the time when i started playing EvE Online. So you're either older, making you even more ignorant, or you bought the character. That would also explain a lot.
why the insults now? .. wasnt i being coherant and pleasant without throwing insults about?
by the way... i have NEVER EVER BOUGHT A CHARACTER FOR EVE ONLINE! ... so what does that make me now? |
Harland White
Circle of Fortune
62
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:Why all the mega haters seem to be out in force to slate Hi-Sec and the people who choose to dwell here? Because highsec is out of whack in terms of what it offers and because a sizeable number of the people who choose to dwell there are actively trying to break the game. Quote:Hi-sec should be given some dev love and encouraged to grow instead of the complete opposite seems to be taking place by certain groups of players and staff. The problem is that highsec has already been given that love and encouragement, and it is proving detrimental to the game as a whole. Quote:they (ccp) should put in more hi sec systems cos to me thats what the populations needs / wants and would be welcomed by the majority. What do you base those assumptions on?
Completely pointless replies with zero substance, backing or proof (a typical Tippia post). |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
4342
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:46:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:Answers to the OP, pick any number. 1. Because not to put too fine a point on it, the vast majority of highsecers who post on these forums are whiney, self entitled individuals who think its ok to call me a sociopath or scum or any number of other hyberbolic insults because I like to pvp and simultaniously spew endless complaints about how mean people are to them because they live in high sec. You're the ones flinging the **** at us, dont act so shocked when we occasionally retaliate.
2. The amount of you who seem to believe that highsec carries any significant degree of risk that cannot be negated by the most minimal amount of preparation and awareness plus the massive rewards you reap under that lack of risk. Simply put, you make too much money too easily and you do this in much greater safety than people who live anywhere else. Nowhere else in New Eden has an omnipotent force patrolling the entire area waiting to blast any aggressors to atoms Nowhere else in New Eden is protected from hot drops and capital ships Nowhere else has that combination of income and built in protection.
3. The idiots who refuse to accept responsibility for their actions. The main and usually only reason for people dying in highsec is because they were stupid, either through lack of prep, overconfidence or just plain not paying attention. Now you might argue that when it comes to suicide ganks thats not the case but the overwhelming amount of the time it really is. People puting massive values in poorly tanked ships (everyone remembers the 74 plex kestrel right?), autopiloting freighters with their entire net worth in the hold or fitting deadspace and officer modules to their mining barges are being ******* dumb, no two ways about it really, then they come to the forums and whine about it and refuse to accept any possibility it might have been their own fault. Yeah, **** those guys.
The rest of you, the ones we can have an actual discussion with rather than having talking points yelled at us, you guys are pretty cool.
You're a belligerent undesirable sir , tbh Eve needs more belligerent undesirables, they make life interesting, provide content and are generally playing the game as CCP originally envisaged, unlike certain subsets of players who think that high security should mean immunity from player interactions, the removal of non consensual PvP, and that they can AFK all the things without risk.
The longer I play the closer I become to embracing that which I initially disliked about Eve, now I dislike what I was when I accidentally wandered into Eve from a background of FPS's and SP games.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can enforce your will on others. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1868
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:46:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:Simply put, you make too much money too easily and you do this in much greater safety than people who live anywhere else. Nowhere else in New Eden has an omnipotent force patrolling the entire area waiting to blast any aggressors to atoms Nowhere else in New Eden is protected from hot drops and capital ships Nowhere else has that combination of income and built in protection. Aww yeah, it's ~highsec~ living the life Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Ryric Cynema
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
8
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:47:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:Ryric Cynema wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:Ryric Cynema wrote:
You're just being ignorant now. You've apparently been playing since 2007. Stop acting like this is some new discovery.
let me let you into a little secret..... thats when "THIS CHARACTER" was created, dont let that confuse you of the time when i started playing EvE Online. So you're either older, making you even more ignorant, or you bought the character. That would also explain a lot. why the insults now? .. wasnt i being coherant and pleasant without throwing insults about? by the way... i have NEVER EVER BOUGHT A CHARACTER FOR EVE ONLINE! ... so what does that make me now?
I'm going to stop as I can tell you bruise easily. I hear you're safe if you stay in station though. Good luck. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1868
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:53:00 -
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Ryric Cynema wrote:I'm going to stop as I can tell you bruise easily. I hear you're safe if you stay in station though. Good luck. You are a failure at posting on GD. You can't let up until they are (the forum equivalent of) podded, looted and salvaged.
Which might be hard in highsec... but yeah.
Nerf gankers, by the way. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
453
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:Why all the mega haters seem to be out in force to slate Hi-Sec and the people who choose to dwell here? Because highsec is out of whack in terms of what it offers and because a sizeable number of the people who choose to dwell there are actively trying to break the game.
Could you expand on this "sizeable number"? I'm curious in knowing where you're pulling your data out of.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
4342
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:56:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Ryric Cynema wrote:I'm going to stop as I can tell you bruise easily. I hear you're safe if you stay in station though. Good luck. You are a failure at posting on GD. You can't let up until they are (the forum equivalent of) podded, looted and salvaged. Which might be hard in highsec... but yeah. Nerf gankers, by the way.
lol (not empty quoting)
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can enforce your will on others. |
starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
36
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:57:00 -
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Ryric Cynema wrote:
You're just being ignorant now. You've apparently been playing since 2007. Stop acting like this is some new discovery.
i already commented on this earlier on in the thread but i think it deserves another reply from myself after you decided to try and give me a lecture / telling off about how little i know / my ignorance since according to you i must have bought my character due to my "ignorance" of eve online.
and this coming form someone like you who is a new character this year (2012) ... oh the lolz
i have played EvE Online since 2004 and have NEVER bought a character, i HAVE SOLD a character in the past though.
but anyhoo thanks for derailing / going off topic on this thread ..
kinda sums you up perfectly doesnt it? .. "Off-Topic". |
starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
36
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:59:00 -
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Ryric Cynema wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:Ryric Cynema wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:Ryric Cynema wrote:
You're just being ignorant now. You've apparently been playing since 2007. Stop acting like this is some new discovery.
let me let you into a little secret..... thats when "THIS CHARACTER" was created, dont let that confuse you of the time when i started playing EvE Online. So you're either older, making you even more ignorant, or you bought the character. That would also explain a lot. why the insults now? .. wasnt i being coherant and pleasant without throwing insults about? by the way... i have NEVER EVER BOUGHT A CHARACTER FOR EVE ONLINE! ... so what does that make me now? I'm going to stop as I can tell you bruise easily. I hear you're safe if you stay in station though. Good luck.
ooh you can always wardec me if ya like ....
YOU MAD BRO?!?!? |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
208
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Posted - 2012.12.09 00:01:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:You're a belligerent undesirable sir , tbh Eve needs more belligerent undesirables, they make life interesting, provide content and are generally playing the game as CCP originally envisaged, unlike certain subsets of players who think that high security should mean immunity from player interactions, the removal of non consensual PvP, and that they can AFK all the things without risk. The longer I play the closer I come to embracing that which I initially disliked about Eve, now I dislike what I was when I accidentally wandered into Eve from a background of FPS's and SP games.
Hehe, I remember that feeling, was a mission runner for a year and a bit before I discovered piracy, still shudder today at some of the mistakes I made. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10636
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Posted - 2012.12.09 00:05:00 -
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Harland White wrote:Completely pointless replies with zero substance, backing or proof (a typical Tippia post). The substance is in the backing and proof that has been provided every time this kind of thread shows up, and as usual, no-one can actually argue these facts so they have to go for the ad hominem instead. I take it you agree since you have no counter-argument and have to go straight for the fallacy in the vain (failed) hope that this will distract from the reality: that you know I'm right and hate that you cannot come up with anything to disprove what is being said. Thank you for your support.
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Could you expand on this "sizeable number"? I'm curious in knowing where you're pulling your data out of. Every thread on the topic.
starbelt stacy wrote:i have played EvE Online since 2004 So how have you managed not to grasp how the game works in all that time? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
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