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Alizabeth Vea
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.12.10 18:32:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:By what right do Minmatar loyalist capsuleers get to claim that any Minmatar outside the Republic are "not Minmatar"?
How dare someone make a group and then define the rules of membership? By what right do the members of Goonwaffe get to claim that capsuleers outside of Goonwaffe, but still in CONDI, are not goons?
This is why people don't like the Gallente. |
Astera Zandraki
Moira. Villore Accords
12
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Posted - 2012.12.10 19:43:00 -
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'Minmatar' is not a group, it is an ethnicity, it is not a choice to be born Minmatar. The Minmatar Republic is a group, and people can be accepted or not into that as the Republic authorities wish.
To say that speaking out against a, limited, xenophobia is why some people dislike the Federation is.. somewhat baseless. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
85
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Posted - 2012.12.11 02:31:00 -
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Well it's a lot like breeding dogs. Sometimes a degree of force and pressure is required in order to ensure that specific traits and strengths are passed on from generation to generation and that the breeds survives against the invasion of foreign mongrels.
It is a choice though, some peoples are like the wolves who seek to roam in freedom without masters and find their strength in the unity of the pack and others are like Caillean poodles who await eagerly for the next meal to come from their owners and yap eagerly in anticipation to be fed, groomed and put on display.
Some Matari must no doubt remember that they are wolves first and foremost and that identity as a people, culture, and nation is all that matters - irrespective of what the barking of their poodle brethren might say of it in order to please the masters whose hands feed them.
Besides, Gallentean liberals and libertarians have always had difficulty understanding the importance of a unified society, national identity, culture and tradition to fulfilling the true needs of an individual citizen in much the same way as a prostitute has difficulty understanding the importance of dignity, pride and self-worth.
Kaalakiota Corporation. Caldari Providence Directorate.
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Alizabeth Vea
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
2
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Posted - 2012.12.11 03:57:00 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote:'Minmatar' is not a group, it is an ethnicity, it is not a choice to be born Minmatar. The Minmatar Republic is a group, and people can be accepted or not into that as the Republic authorities wish.
To say that speaking out against a, limited, xenophobia is why some people dislike the Federation is.. somewhat baseless.
I might be ethnically Caldari. But, I really wouldn't count myself as culturally Caldari, not anymore. The closest that I've gotten to the State since I moved to Fade was a midpoint in Black Rise while I was jumping my carrier. Minmatar living in the Republic have a shared experience. And they, rightfully so, are upset that others that do not share that experience are trying to claim it. Minmatar in the Republic have been constantly beat down by the Amarr, but the plucky SOBs keep getting back up. The ethnic Minmatar in the Federation have not been subjected to that level of hardship.
For example: In the Tribute/Vale campaign, I flew a Scimitar. I lost four of them in combat. Each time, I was able to give a decent warning for evac, but there were some inevitable losses. I had to bring in new crewmen to replace the ones that I had lost. None of the new crewmembers could ever match the level of camaraderie of the original ones. (Side note, the original crew have all been discharged and they are set for life.)
And, I was more referring to the holier than thou attitude of the Gallente. They're at the same level as the Amarrians. |
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
18
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Posted - 2012.12.11 04:37:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Minmatar living in the Republic have a shared experience. And they, rightfully so, are upset that others that do not share that experience are trying to claim it. Minmatar in the Republic have been constantly beat down by the Amarr, but the plucky SOBs keep getting back up. The ethnic Minmatar in the Federation have not been subjected to that level of hardship.
I find that entire argument wishy-washy. In Tribalism, two Matari may not have a shared experience at all! The Vherokior have a completely different experience than, say, the Brutor. Or the Sebiestor to the Krusual. Or the Thukker to the Starkmanir. They're all different groups with different shared experiences. And let's not forget different clan cultures!
A simple counter-argument: The Thukker tribe do not live in the Republic, and some of the Caravans even disagree on many points with the Republic. Having taken to a nomadic lifestyle, much of the "original" Thukker culture was preserved because of our ability to evade enslavement. So what, because we had a different experience and arguably easier time we're not Minmatar?
Sod off, and stay out of this. As Ava said in a different thread, I find it funny that non-Matari are even weighing in on this when they have no clue. And by the Spirits, stop using poor analogies from your personal combat experience. They are irrelevant here. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
347
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Posted - 2012.12.11 05:04:00 -
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Pilot Gesakaarin I understand that you have a personal axe to grind with the Federation but, please stop trying to pass off your opinions as fact. The Republic is an independent nation of equal stature to the State, Empire or Federation. This is the second screed of yours in which you've attempted to paint Matari as somehow backwards, second-class people who only manage to exist thanks to the handouts of our "Federal masters". As a Matari who's lived in both the Federation and the Republic I find this notion quite frankly offensive. I also find your proposition is far from the truth.
While it's a matter of historical record that the Gallente helped us break away from the Empire by providing arms, training, funds and logistics the fact of the matter is that we, the Minmatar people, were the ones who fought and died to secure our freedom and do so to this very day. We freed ourselves. We bore the burden of fighting off the imperials. We are not puppets of the Gallente. As a matter of fact there is strong sentiment within the Republic to move farther away from the Federation as evidenced by the fact that we dissolved our Federal styled government and are moving back to a more traditional council of all the Tribes.
Please stop attempting to interpret our actions and our society through your biased Caldari eyes. Go ahead and hate the Gallente all you like but, please leave us out of it. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
85
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Posted - 2012.12.11 06:28:00 -
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Mademoiselle Rella,
I hold the utmost respect for the Matari who hold fast and true to their cultural life, tribal traditions, and ethnic identity for they are men and women who understand to divorce oneself from the purity of national identity is to also live a life without value or worth. The fact that Sanmatar Shakor has realized the failings and fallacies of parliamentary and democratic party politics to properly express the true will of the people is also to be commended, for the will of a nation is often best expressed through loyalty to a single leader.
What I have far less respect for is those Matari who prostitute themselves like cheap whores to the foreign and invasive concepts of multiculturalism, liberalism, and democratic party politics in the Federation, that like a cancer eats away at the fundamental concepts of national and cultural unity that is instrumental in preserving the unique identity of a people as a race and identity. Is this not the heart of the matter then?
Do not get me wrong, this is not an attempt on my part to paint all Matari as Liberals devoid of any and all respect for honour, history, tradition, patriotism, and the sacrifices of their ancestors for there are no doubt just as many Caldari Liberals who would gladly lay on their backs, spread their legs, and sell-out the State for the clink of a coin purse from the Federation. Then again, it's not like a Liberal whatever their origins can truly appreciate just how devoid of worth they are for the entire philosophy demands the mindset of utter selfishness, delusion, and the belief that the individual should not be constrained by society.
Does it mean I hate all Gallenteans? No. I just happen to despise liberalism and democracy as ideologies and hold that its proponents whether they are Gallentean, Caldari, Amarr or Matari need to be defeated in order to preserve the cultural and national identities of all races in New Eden and ensure the order and stability upon which a lasting peace between all can at last be forged in the spirit of mutual respect, trust, and fraternity.
Even I as a Caldari can to a degree respect Roden or Blaque for the work they are doing in the Federation in that regard. Kaalakiota Corporation. Caldari Providence Directorate.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
48
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Posted - 2012.12.11 10:14:00 -
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This discussion is about the Minmatar and their self-determination and not the struggle between the Gallente and the Caldari. To try and bend the topic back towards the original subject I'll offer the only piece of advice I feel qualified to give.
All this talk about ethnicity is interesting, but culture is the real key. Share genes with someone and you have some commonalities, but share a culture with them and you have a real bond that you can count on. The Minmatar already instinctively know this, their Tribes share common culture after all, the only step they really need to take is to decide what being Minmatar really means. Is this the Republic? It doesn't sound like the Minmatar are convinced of that to me, but essentially we need to stop trying to tell them what being Minmatar is and leave them to work it out.
Why in the name of the Winds should we even care? How does their decision really affect us? I don't expect Sebiestor or Vherokior to tell me what it means to be Civire. Or Wiyrkomi. Or Caldari. I'm damned if I care to tell them what it means to be Sebiestor or Minmatar. I might be interested enough to listen to them tell ME what those things mean, if the stories are interesting or it helps me learn more about an ally or enemy or potential trading partner.
I feel no kinship with a Civire who isn't culturally Caldari. I am the true brother of any Deteis who embraces The Way.
That's the one lesson the tribes of Minmatar can learn from the Caldari. Just that the answer to this question must be found and that it probably doesn't lie in genetics. Oh, and that they should remember that the only answer worth a damn is the one they come up with themselves. Anyone telling them different is either trying to buy them or trying to sell them something. |
Astera Zandraki
Moira. Villore Accords
13
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Posted - 2012.12.11 11:04:00 -
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Ms. Gesakarrin, I was wondering if you've ever been to any of the culturally Caldari nations in the Federation? Some of those are closer to the original Raata culture than even the State. So, before you talk about monolithic blocs and amalgamation, do some basic research.
On another note, quit it with the clumsy prostitution analogies. I don't think if you've ever met one you'd be making such brutal and uneducated statements.
As you you Pieter -she grins- You're correct, cultural similarities are more about feelings than genetics, but do you feel a bond with the Caldari nations living in the Federation at all? on a side note. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
87
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Posted - 2012.12.11 11:35:00 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote:Ms. Gesakarrin, I was wondering if you've ever been to any of the culturally Caldari nations in the Federation? Some of those are closer to the original Raata culture than even the State. So, before you talk about monolithic blocs and amalgamation, do some basic research.
The Caldari State is the only bastion of true Caldari culture and the only legitimate heir to the legacy and destiny of the Caldari people. I could care less whatever themeparks or Raata zoos those who call themselves Caldari construct in the Federation for they are nothing more than the descendents of collaborators and traitors to their people during the secession. If they choose to embrace their true heritage however, nothing prevents them from returning to their brothers and sisters in the State where they would be welcomed with open arms.
Kaalakiota Corporation. Caldari Providence Directorate.
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Astera Zandraki
Moira. Villore Accords
13
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Posted - 2012.12.11 11:44:00 -
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But they are still ethnically and culturally Caldari, whatever you may think of them, you cannot deny that. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
91
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Posted - 2012.12.11 11:59:00 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote:But they are still ethnically and culturally Caldari, whatever you may think of them, you cannot deny that.
If they do not stand in service to the Megacorporations of the CEP and the Caldari State, then no, they are not Caldari. To be Caldari is to be willing and able to work or fight for the greater glory and destiny of the State which as I stated, is the only legitimate heir to the destiny of the Caldari people.
There is no separation between the State and Caldari, they are unified as one whole.
I get the gist of your thoughts, but no, a fragmented and culturally diluted Caldari minority in the Federation is just that: a fragmented and culturally diluted minority. Feel free to use them as the poster children for some propaganda branding them as some sort of tacit approval of the Federation by the Caldari people though just because they happen to live there.
I will feel just as free to laugh at the expense of your own ignorance. Kaalakiota Corporation. Caldari Providence Directorate.
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Desiderya
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
108
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Posted - 2012.12.11 12:05:00 -
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They are a regrettable subculture merely tolerated by the federation or outright pets. A role model they are not. They may share the same ancestry and customs as true caldari but by now they're descendents of those who lacked the integrity to do what was necessary for the greater collective to survive. This dishonor they've brought upon them is easily purged once they decide to become citizens themselves. |
Jace Sarice
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
6
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Posted - 2012.12.11 12:27:00 -
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We can absolutely deny that they are culturally Caldari. Despite their ancestry and emulation of our culture, they have chosen to live in disservice to the State and to our people. Their individual origins of cowardice far outweighs any Caldari ancestry they may have. And as others have noted, it would still be possible for them to return to their people and reclaim the honorable strands of their heritage. But until they do so, they are not Caldari in culture or fact. |
Astera Zandraki
Moira. Villore Accords
13
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Posted - 2012.12.11 13:47:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
I get the gist of your thoughts, but no, a fragmented and culturally diluted Caldari minority in the Federation is just that: a fragmented and culturally diluted minority. Feel free to use them as the poster children for some propaganda branding them as some sort of tacit approval of the Federation by the Caldari people though just because they happen to live there.
Those nations have traditional Raata governments, stick extremely stringently to Raata traditions and principals and the Federation has a definite 'hands off' approach to them. They are Caldari, they look Caldari, they act Caldari. To say that they're not because they do not agree with you or want to be a part of Heth's state is somewhat absolutist.
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Desiderya
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
110
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Posted - 2012.12.11 14:02:00 -
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The Raata Empire dissolved over two thousand years before the founding of the federation.
Do not tell us what being Caldari means. |
Alizabeth Vea
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2012.12.11 14:10:00 -
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Streya Jormagdnir wrote:I too have noticed this, Seriphyn. It is a painful shame that anyone who doesn't fall in line with the Republic's jingoistic war-drum is called a traitor. Every day I see people of Minmatar ethnicity (whetever their tribal and clan identities may be) furthering the well-being of the Minmatar people, or even all people, in ways no less important or spectacular than those of the Freedom Fighters. ***** Sod off, and stay out of this. As Ava said in a different thread, I find it funny that non-Matari are even weighing in on this when they have no clue. And by the Spirits, stop using poor analogies from your personal combat experience. They are irrelevant here.
So, when a non-Minmatar creates the thread and you happen to agree with him, you fawn over him like a Gallente fangirl. Then, when I disagree with you're point of view, I get told to "sod off, because I'm not Matari."
Hypocrite. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
724
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Posted - 2012.12.11 14:19:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Streya Jormagdnir wrote:I too have noticed this, Seriphyn. It is a painful shame that anyone who doesn't fall in line with the Republic's jingoistic war-drum is called a traitor. Every day I see people of Minmatar ethnicity (whetever their tribal and clan identities may be) furthering the well-being of the Minmatar people, or even all people, in ways no less important or spectacular than those of the Freedom Fighters. ***** Sod off, and stay out of this. As Ava said in a different thread, I find it funny that non-Matari are even weighing in on this when they have no clue. And by the Spirits, stop using poor analogies from your personal combat experience. They are irrelevant here. So, when a non-Minmatar creates the thread and you happen to agree with him, you fawn over him like a Gallente fangirl. Then, when I disagree with you're point of view, I get told to "sod off, because I'm not Matari." Hypocrite.
Might have something to do with you being hostile about it in the first place.
Oh yeah, and that whole supporting their enemy thing. That also might be a tiny factor.
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
93
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Posted - 2012.12.11 14:29:00 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote:Those nations have traditional Raata governments, stick extremely stringently to Raata traditions and principals and the Federation has a definite 'hands off' approach to them. They are Caldari, they look Caldari, they act Caldari. To say that they're not because they do not agree with you or want to be a part of Heth's state is somewhat absolutist.
You are not Caldari.
You do not look Caldari.
You do not act Caldari.
In much the same way that any people's or individuals who have chosen to live under the dominance of a foreign government and cultural mileu are not, and will never be Caldari despite their affectations, pretensions or delusions to the contrary. If they do not agree with the State then they do not agree with the majority of Caldari and are nothing more than collaborators, traitors and those that have spat upon their heritage and history.
They are nothing more than the disassociated and are given the same options: rejoin the State or be ignored for abandoning duty, loyalty and tradition. As for the State being absolutist because of it? Hardly. They have the same options as any citizen, lead a productive life valuing work, service and tradition in the name of the State or continue in their lives of shame and disgrace as the shunned and outcast dogs that they are.
By your liberal ideology I suppose anyone in the Federation can get some tribal tattoos and call themselves Minmatar, read about the Ida and call themselves Intaki, or teach themselves Lirsautton cuisine and call themselves Jin-Mei then?
How quaint.
I say no, and irrespective of what such Federal citizens may call themselves or how they may pretend, they are not, and will never be Caldari for they have turned their backs on their people and the State they have created. Kaalakiota Corporation. Caldari Providence Directorate.
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Astera Zandraki
Moira. Villore Accords
13
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Posted - 2012.12.11 14:34:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
I say no, and irrespective of what such Federal citizens may call themselves or how they may pretend they are not, and will never be Caldari for they have turned their backs on their people and the State they have created.
They were never involved in the State. The never left it, it was created and they chose not to take part. I am well aware that I am not Caldari, I never claimed such. But I've heard of non-ethnic Minmatar being accepted into clans, I've heard of people marrying into Jin-Mei castes, you seems to have this monolithic perception of culture and ethnicity which is just incorrect, they are both mercurial. |
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Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
145
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Posted - 2012.12.11 14:36:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Astera Zandraki wrote:Those nations have traditional Raata governments, stick extremely stringently to Raata traditions and principals and the Federation has a definite 'hands off' approach to them. They are Caldari, they look Caldari, they act Caldari. To say that they're not because they do not agree with you or want to be a part of Heth's state is somewhat absolutist.
You are not Caldari. You do not look Caldari. You do not act Caldari. In much the same way that any people's or individuals who have chosen to live under the dominance of a foreign government and cultural mileu are not, and will never be Caldari despite their affectations, pretensions or delusions to the contrary. If they do not agree with the State then they do not agree with the majority of Caldari and are nothing more than collaborators, traitors and those that have spat upon their heritage and history. They are nothing more than the disassociated and are given the same options: rejoin the State or be ignored for abandoning duty, loyalty and tradition. As for the State being absolutist because of it? Hardly. They have the same options as any citizen, lead a productive life valuing work, service and tradition in the name of the State or continue in their lives of shame and disgrace as the shunned and outcast dogs that they are. By your liberal ideology I suppose anyone in the Federation can get some tribal tattoos and call themselves Minmatar, read about the Ida and call themselves Intaki, or teach themselves Lirsautton cuisine and call themselves Jin-Mei then? How quaint. I say no, and irrespective of what such Federal citizens may call themselves or how they may pretend, they are not, and will never be Caldari for they have turned their backs on their people and the State they have created.
With an attitude like that, it's no wonder they'd prefer to not live in the state. With extremists like yourself abound in the State, it's a wonder more people haven't left it. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
93
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Posted - 2012.12.11 14:42:00 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote: I say no, and irrespective of what such Federal citizens may call themselves or how they may pretend they are not, and will never be Caldari for they have turned their backs on their people and the State they have created.
They were never involved in the State. The never left it, it was created and they chose not to take part. I am well aware that I am not Caldari, I never claimed such. But I've heard of non-ethnic Minmatar being accepted into clans, I've heard of people marrying into Jin-Mei castes, you seems to have this monolithic perception of culture and ethnicity which is just incorrect, they are both mercurial.
The Tea Maker ceremony had one simple imperative: You are either Caldari and with the State, or you are a traitor to the people. Any who call themselves Caldari and remained in the Federation either then or now are still traitors to the people and have chosen to turn their backs on them.
They are no better than the criminals and traitors of today who turn their back on State and Corporation.
They are outcast and forgotten.
And no, culture and ethnicity are hard and defined concepts. This is why a true Caldari will never accept the flawed misconceptions and tenets of Federal liberalism for without the defining principles of culture and society as defined through the lens of a singular vision and destiny as one people then an individual becomes empty and devoid of worth.
Much like yourself. Kaalakiota Corporation. Caldari Providence Directorate.
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Alizabeth Vea
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2012.12.11 14:47:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Oh yeah, and that whole supporting their enemy thing. That also might be a tiny factor.
Which enemy is that? |
Constantly Outraged Sebiestor
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.12.11 14:47:00 -
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People that associate with entities hostile to the Republic aren't Minmatar. Cartel or Ammatar or Holder's pet slave, doesn't matter. Claiming otherwise is simply dumb.
It is the same as being a Gurista, and claiming to be Caldari, or being a Blood Raider and claiming to be Amarr, or being a Sansha Slave and claiming to be human. It is a ludicrous claim, entirely without merit. |
Astera Zandraki
Moira. Villore Accords
13
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Posted - 2012.12.11 14:52:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote: And no, culture and ethnicity are hard and defined concepts. This is why a true Caldari will never accept the flawed misconceptions and tenets of Federal liberalism for without the defining principles of culture and society as defined through the lens of a singular vision and destiny as one people then an individual becomes empty and devoid of worth.
Much like yourself.
You're saying that culture and ethnicity can never evolve and change? ehh... that is just.. well it is demonstrably incorrect.
I would also appreciate it if you did not devolve your arguments to weak ad hominem attacks, it does not aid debate and it certainly does not reflect well on you, your corporation or your cause
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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
2530
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Posted - 2012.12.11 15:03:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Astera Zandraki wrote:Ms. Gesakarrin, I was wondering if you've ever been to any of the culturally Caldari nations in the Federation? Some of those are closer to the original Raata culture than even the State. So, before you talk about monolithic blocs and amalgamation, do some basic research. The Caldari State is the only bastion of true Caldari culture and the only legitimate heir to the legacy and destiny of the Caldari people. I could care less whatever themeparks or Raata zoos those who call themselves Caldari construct in the Federation for they are nothing more than the descendents of collaborators and traitors to their people during the secession. If they choose to embrace their true heritage however, nothing prevents them from returning to their brothers and sisters in the State where they would be welcomed with open arms.
The Caldari State Minmatar Republic is the only bastion of true Caldari Matari culture and the only legitimate heir to the legacy and destiny of the Caldari Matari people. I could care less whatever themeparks or Raata zoos impersonator clans those who call themselves Caldari matari construct in the Federation for they are nothing more than the descendents of collaborators and traitors to their people during the secession rebellion. If they choose to embrace their true heritage however, nothing prevents them from returning to their brothers and sisters in the State Republic where they would be welcomed with open arms.
Oh look I can do it too! And for the folks at home, have some statist mad-libs:
The [my government] is the only bastion of true [my heritage] culture and the only legitimate heir to the legacy and destiny of the [my people] people. I could care less whatever themeparks or [pejorative name for the communities of those descended from your bloodline living outside your nation] those who call themselves [my people] construct in the Federation for they are nothing more than the descendents of collaborators and traitors to their people during the [formative national event]. If they choose to embrace their true heritage however, nothing prevents them from returning to their brothers and sisters in the [my government] where they would be welcomed with open arms.
Torn from grace, gotta find your faith or the devils gonna claim your soul
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
93
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Posted - 2012.12.11 15:07:00 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote: You're saying that culture and ethnicity can never evolve and change? ehh... that is just.. well it is demonstrably incorrect.
I would also appreciate it if you did not devolve your arguments to weak ad hominem attacks, it does not aid debate and it certainly does not reflect well on you, your corporation or your cause
You should take it then in the spirit in which it was intended: a dismissal of your thoughts and opinions in lieu of anything of interest to counter further.
I have outlined the necessary points of my position, and frankly unless you have anything further to add then I shall be courteous and leave the last word to yourself in order to assuage, pander or engage in whatever libertine diatribe you may decide upon.
Frankly, I care not a jot, and I believe the current conversation best left to run its course along its original intent unless you wish to open a new communique.
Kaalakiota Corporation. Caldari Providence Directorate.
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Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
19
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Posted - 2012.12.11 15:13:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote: So, when a non-Minmatar creates the thread and you happen to agree with him, you fawn over him like a Gallente fangirl. Then, when I disagree with you're point of view, I get told to "sod off, because I'm not Matari."
Hypocrite.
Please point out where I'm fawning? Agreeing is one thing, but I'm not exactly on my knees or anything.
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Alizabeth Vea
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2012.12.11 16:46:00 -
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Streya Jormagdnir wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote: So, when a non-Minmatar creates the thread and you happen to agree with him, you fawn over him like a Gallente fangirl. Then, when I disagree with you're point of view, I get told to "sod off, because I'm not Matari."
Hypocrite.
Please point out where I'm fawning? Agreeing is one thing, but I'm not exactly on my knees or anything.
Hyperbole. |
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
19
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Posted - 2012.12.11 16:57:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
Please point out where I'm fawning? Agreeing is one thing, but I'm not exactly on my knees or anything.
Hyperbole.
That's not a response. Please use full sentences. I'm sure being out in nullsec as part of GoonSwarm has done terrible things to your brain, but you've already demonstrated that you have some basic mastery over language. |
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