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Tyrant's Bane
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:37:00 -
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I remember seeing an interview a month or two ago saying they were going to do something to black ops this winter? Anyone got any more info on that (csm or CCP) I saw the current list they posted for whats being done this winter and am wondering if thats ALL the changes for this winter or just some of them. Id really really like to be able to fly a black ops bs with covert ops cloak, would make it my favorite ship. |
Tyrant's Bane
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.07 07:36:00 -
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.10.07 08:09:00 -
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There doesn't really seem to be any concensus on how to buff them part from maybe increasing their effective jump & portal range. Covops cloaks would make them too powerful. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Bane Necran
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Posted - 2011.10.07 08:26:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Covops cloaks would make them too powerful.
They really need to remove the whole thing about them being the "final word in clandestine maneuvers" from their info. |
Shang Fei
The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated
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Posted - 2011.10.07 09:21:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Malcanis wrote:Covops cloaks would make them too powerful. They really need to remove the whole thing about them being the "final word in clandestine maneuvers" from their info. is true tho |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.10.07 09:22:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Malcanis wrote:Covops cloaks would make them too powerful. They really need to remove the whole thing about them being the "final word in clandestine maneuvers" from their info.
I'd enjoy abusing covops BOPs too, I'm sure, but really, they'd wreck too much stuff. W-space, for instance. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
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Posted - 2011.10.07 11:13:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Malcanis wrote:Covops cloaks would make them too powerful. They really need to remove the whole thing about them being the "final word in clandestine maneuvers" from their info. I'd enjoy abusing covops BOPs too, I'm sure, but really, they'd wreck too much stuff. W-space, for instance.
How would they? They are bigger and slower than most T3s, and t3's have more hp than any black op. It is easy to get a dictor and bubble + declaok them, must easier than T3's. Besides, they are not nullifierd......
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zappy101
Most Wanted INC White Noise.
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Posted - 2011.10.07 11:41:00 -
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Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:Malcanis wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Malcanis wrote:Covops cloaks would make them too powerful. They really need to remove the whole thing about them being the "final word in clandestine maneuvers" from their info. I'd enjoy abusing covops BOPs too, I'm sure, but really, they'd wreck too much stuff. W-space, for instance. How would they? They are bigger and slower than most T3s, and t3's have more hp than any black op. It is easy to get a dictor and bubble + declaok them, must easier than T3's. Besides, they are not nullifierd...... Ofc u can hit and run targets but so u can do with any other recon/T3 fleets. Pls remember T3's are cheaper than Blackops and have faster lock time. I can warp out a hulk before any Black op have locked it The benifits of cloaky and nullified t3's are bigger than a same group of black ops. black op would even be better to counter and or catch, so your comment is kinda useless... use your braisn before u post Stop trolling cause your fail init
They're not talking about how easy they are to catch, they're BS after all, but think about it, it would be impossible to catch a BOP unless you have just seen it cloaking, it can warp out, sit at a safe and then jump out. The main thing people are referring to about BOPs being overpowered with a covops cloak isnt the tank or mobility though, it's the DPS, sure a T3 can go cloaky and fit a great tank, but when you're ganking ships with a hit-and-run fleet, you dont need a tank. A group of BOPs warping around a system cloaked, each with a good 500dps++ would just allow them to decloak and melt just about anything in 30secs flat. Oh and next time, before you post anything about people using their brains, please spell it right first.
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Proteus Maximus
The Red Exhilez
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Posted - 2011.10.07 11:58:00 -
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Capitol torpedo hard points CO cloaks. Big stealth bomber. Good times to be had by all. Eve... It's just a better class of Idiot. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.07 13:05:00 -
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zappy101 wrote:Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:Malcanis wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Malcanis wrote:Covops cloaks would make them too powerful. They really need to remove the whole thing about them being the "final word in clandestine maneuvers" from their info. I'd enjoy abusing covops BOPs too, I'm sure, but really, they'd wreck too much stuff. W-space, for instance. How would they? They are bigger and slower than most T3s, and t3's have more hp than any black op. It is easy to get a dictor and bubble + declaok them, must easier than T3's. Besides, they are not nullifierd...... Ofc u can hit and run targets but so u can do with any other recon/T3 fleets. Pls remember T3's are cheaper than Blackops and have faster lock time. I can warp out a hulk before any Black op have locked it The benifits of cloaky and nullified t3's are bigger than a same group of black ops. black op would even be better to counter and or catch, so your comment is kinda useless... use your braisn before u post Stop trolling cause your fail init They're not talking about how easy they are to catch, they're BS after all, but think about it, it would be impossible to catch a BOP unless you have just seen it cloaking, it can warp out, sit at a safe and then jump out. The main thing people are referring to about BOPs being overpowered with a covops cloak isnt the tank or mobility though, it's the DPS, sure a T3 can go cloaky and fit a great tank, but when you're ganking ships with a hit-and-run fleet, you dont need a tank. A group of BOPs warping around a system cloaked, each with a good 500dps++ would just allow them to decloak and melt just about anything in 30secs flat. Oh and next time, before you post anything about people using their brains, please spell it right first.
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leich
Sad Panda'z Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.10.07 13:22:00 -
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Only issue with BO is the size of the fuel bay. |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.07 14:29:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:There doesn't really seem to be any concensus on how to buff them part from maybe increasing their effective jump & portal range. Covops cloaks would make them too powerful.
I see this statement all the time, but no one ever backs it up with anything.
The 4th black ops bonus is an increase in cloaked velocity, which is exactly what a covert ops cloak does. Are you saying being able to warp cloaked, like everyone else in a black ops gang can already do, would be overpowered? How?
Give them a covert ops cloak, and buff/balance them with a real ship bonus. |
Keno Skir
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Posted - 2011.10.07 14:54:00 -
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I kinda agree with the OP in a way.. Yeah it would make them more powerful, but thats not always a bad thing and everyone has the chance to train for and fly one if u want to swap most of your dps and hitpoints for a covops cloak. I do think they at least deserve a boost in some way even if not the covops cloak cus it seems to me they're just not quite up to the role they are designed for.
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
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Posted - 2011.10.07 14:56:00 -
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Dorian Wylde wrote:Malcanis wrote:There doesn't really seem to be any concensus on how to buff them part from maybe increasing their effective jump & portal range. Covops cloaks would make them too powerful. I see this statement all the time, but no one ever backs it up with anything. The 4th black ops bonus is an increase in cloaked velocity, which is exactly what a covert ops cloak does. Are you saying being able to warp cloaked, like everyone else in a black ops gang can already do, would be overpowered? How? Give them a covert ops cloak, and buff/balance them with a real ship bonus.
if they get that CO cloak, then remove their jump capability.
that said, how to balance BOs.. well specifically the sin, needs a bit more agility and replace the agility bonus for something else more useful. as far as BOs in general, decrease fuel consumption, increase jump range, and maybe even increase fuel bay. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
captain skinback
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2011.10.07 19:15:00 -
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The only reason blops would need the cov ops cloaks is warping on grid. It shouldnt be warping to a fight it should be using the jump portal |
Ardetia
Killer Koalas
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Posted - 2011.10.07 19:26:00 -
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this is a question thats hard to answer... since many people want the BOs to be useful other than in outright hotdropping right now though, it does work fine by itself, but if you bring a gang the fuel bay is hillariously small, or rather the ships going through it simply use too much fuel the jump range could be a tad higher, i wouldnt cry too loud if it didnt happen, but increasing the jump range a small bit doesnt make it any more super, just less of a hassle to use
in short, fuel bay and a little bit more jump range would simply mean more people bringing them out once in a while because they would be easier to use, and not so annoying like it is right now
as for improving its "situation", i cant really say, but i would vote for a little more HP i cant back up this statement at all, but thats just how i feel about them right now :) regular cloak is fine, perhaps reduce locking time from 10 minutes to 1 minute to lock a pod? =)
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.07 20:29:00 -
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More LY please.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.10.07 20:40:00 -
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Warp cloaked capable is what I want to see in a Black Ops ship.
How to balance that, though?
How about when a Cov ops cloak is fitted, jump capability is offlined?
I could live with that compromise.
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Just Lilly
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.07 20:52:00 -
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CO Cloak for Black Ops, would be a nice place to start.
Let's discuss fuel bay and jump range after CO cloaks have been installed. |
Alundil
The Unnamed. Novum Militis ExParte
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Posted - 2011.10.07 21:00:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Warp cloaked capable is what I want to see in a Black Ops ship. How to balance that, though? How about when a Cov ops cloak is fitted, jump capability is offlined? I could live with that compromise. Mr Epeen
I think that would be a workable trade-off. When I first started playing EVE I immediately loved the idea of Black Ops ships created the skill plan to get there (all two years of it - hull + very good support skills) only to find that, at the moment, they are more often than not expensive kill mails due to the deficiencies in the class.
The hybrid balancing and ship balancing being talked about gives me great hope. I can only hope that Black Ops ships get some love in the near future as well. |
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Tyrant's Bane
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.08 02:59:00 -
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lets keep this discussion going
i like the idea of losing the jump bonus in exchange for the cov ops cloack idea, seems to make it fair to me
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.10.08 06:52:00 -
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I have two Sins collecting dust.
I'd like to see something done for these things.
It's bad enough that my 'covert' ship screams HERE I AM anywhere but in W space. At least give it a second role as a true black ops by allowing it to fit a cov ops cloak.
And since I'm asking for the moon anyway, how about a delay or even a no show in local?
Mr Epeen If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
Planktal
Kenshao Industries Galactic Acqisition Specialists
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Posted - 2011.10.08 07:09:00 -
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I like Proteus Maximus idea, make the Black Ops a big bomber, give it a covert ops cloak, fit a few citadel torps launchers, retain the covert jump portal, bump up the range a bit and either boost the fuel bay or drop the cost per ship fuel use. would be great vs super caps, tho I'm just a high sec carebear, what do I know.
My two cents... |
Wild Rho
Silent Core
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Posted - 2011.10.08 07:21:00 -
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People in blops don't show in local, yaarrrr. |
Meeogi
Debitum Naturae RED.Legion
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Posted - 2011.10.08 08:44:00 -
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Fix the fuel usage of black ops. Having to also bridge a cloaky hauler to get you back..is lame. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.10.08 11:42:00 -
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Proteus Maximus wrote:Capitol torpedo hard points CO cloaks. Big stealth bomber. Good times to be had by all.
Oh, this would be money. A capital-counter as well as a Black Ops boost (there isn't enough reasons to use the ships that much currently, a lot of similar fun can be had for much cheaper than the hull cost justifies)
I still think a "heavy bomber" role is needed, something small but anti-cap, but I'll take citadel launching black ops BS any day. Nice idea. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.10.08 12:10:00 -
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In the interview he is referring to, the topic of super caps is brought up, and one thing CCP mentions is re-tasking black ops with a new role as anti super cap in the same way that they meant bombers to be anti battleship.
Mind you, they also talk about giving destroyers bonuses against fighter bombers and frigates in the very same interview.
You can listen to the entire interview at the link below. http://soundcloud.com/tacticalgamer/tactical-gamer-eve-online |
Tyrant's Bane
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.08 21:05:00 -
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bumping to the top |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.08 21:14:00 -
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Dpm't tjomt eo+º+º see a n+ºack ppes buff but rather a new blacj ops tuor enyutrdl Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Universal Consortium
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Posted - 2011.10.13 04:16:00 -
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Rumpity-bumpity, for great BLOPs justice!
And no, CovOps capability, even whilst retaining jump capability with it fitted, wouldn't make it OP:
1) Don't forget that its' damage output is kinda meh--possible exception: Redeemer--all 4 hulls are very difficult to fit without max'ed fitting skills (need faction/complex pimpage in some cases to get around this because of the cloaking device's and jump-portal generator's CPU use).
2) it still doesn't have T II resists (which they really should have), and is still a very expensive asset, even not counting the probable need for the aforesaid faction/complex mods--one that's basically designed to be a life-support system for its' (very inefficient) jump-drive and covert bridge.
3) Jump-drive/Jump-portal: There's a reason some of us call these things "pigs:" Any serious BLOPs bridging op needs a cloaky hauler to carry enough fuel, else you might just find yourself stranded--one thing that really needs buffing is the fuel-use, and/or jump-fuel bay capacity.
4) It's still a battleship--even with CovOps cloak warping capability. Not the most manoeuverable thing in the world, can be bumped off alignment off a gate, if the tackler(/s) know what they're doing, and have a little bit of luck. |
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