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Rainbow Moose
Sandy Shores Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.12.09 19:04:00 -
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The last 7 systems I've looked through a decent distance from major trade hubs have had a POS, a large portion of which are inactive, at every available moon.
I don't have the resources to take down a POS, even an inactive one, and it is becoming rather frustrating that I'm unable to setup a research/invention POS. Is there an easier way to find an open moon than spending hours and hours flying around aimlessly? |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
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Posted - 2012.12.09 19:05:00 -
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the solution to everything; pay some one else to do it for you. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Rainbow Moose
Sandy Shores Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.12.09 19:07:00 -
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Care to point me to someone willing to blow a POS out of the sky? |
Liner Xiandra
Caldari State Reserve
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Posted - 2012.12.09 20:52:00 -
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Rainbow Moose wrote:The last 7 systems I've looked through a decent distance from major trade hubs have had a POS, a large portion of which are inactive, at every available moon.
I don't have the resources to take down a POS, even an inactive one, and it is becoming rather frustrating that I'm unable to setup a research/invention POS. Is there an easier way to find an open moon than spending hours and hours flying around aimlessly?
Warp to sun, set your overview to only show towers; use your d-scan with a narrow angle to scan each planet for towers. Less towers than there are moons? Bingo. (mind the max dscan range)
You can use the new camera controls to easily focus your camera on an object: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jObKvVDJrSM |
Rainbow Moose
Sandy Shores Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.12.09 21:22:00 -
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Liner Xiandra wrote:Warp to sun, set your overview to only show towers; use your d-scan with a narrow angle to scan each planet for towers. Less towers than there are moons? Bingo. (mind the max dscan range) You can use the new camera controls to easily focus your camera on an object: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jObKvVDJrSM
Thanks, I was unaware of how these new changes worked. This speeds everything up by an order of magnitude. |
Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
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Posted - 2012.12.09 21:39:00 -
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use this to find a system in the region you want to find a system with lots of moons and there is a good chance that you will find a free moon. |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.12.10 05:27:00 -
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People place offlined POS's on any moon near most of the trading hubs in hopes of getting people to pay for the moon. Your best bet is to just move out a bit further away, otherwise you'll have to wardec them and take it down yourself, but chances are pretty likely this would be a bad idea and you'll find yourself at war with several additional corps. |
enterprisePSI
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Posted - 2012.12.10 06:44:00 -
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Show info on each tower. Wardec the corporation with less people. Most likely they have stopped playing eve. When wardec becomes active, shoot pos. ???? Profit? The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one. enterprise-psi-¬
I made tweet, Y U NO FOLLOW!!! |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2012.12.10 08:34:00 -
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The last time somebody posted one of these threads, I went out and found 3 empty moons within 5 jumps of Jita, and I wasn't even trying hard (not an exhaustive search of systems).
I was scanning the old-fashioned way:
- Set overview tab to only show control towers and moons.
- Set d-scan to use overview settings.
- Use a fast ship (like a shuttle).
- Warp to planet N (right-click in space since they are not on the overview).
- Set d-scan range to cover planet N's moons (less than distance to to next closest celestial).
- Count the towers. if moons > towers, there may be an empty spot.
If you see a moon for another planet, your d-scan range is set too large. If you don't see all the moons for the planet, your d-scan range is set too small. [1 au ~ 150,000 km]
It takes less than 10 minutes to scan a system. Narrowing down the exact moon can take longer, but you only do this in systems that have free spots.
There is mixed opinion about anchoring at moons with stations. Best advice seems to be to never try to anchor at the warp-in, and possibly even on a different grid than the station; the tower will always snap to the spot where it is allowed when anchored. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.12.11 19:01:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:The last time somebody posted one of these threads, I went out and found 3 empty moons within 5 jumps of Jita, and I wasn't even trying hard (not an exhaustive search of systems). I was scanning the old-fashioned way:
- Set overview tab to only show control towers and moons.
- Set d-scan to use overview settings.
- Use a fast ship (like a shuttle).
- Warp to planet N (right-click in space since they are not on the overview).
- Set d-scan range to cover planet N's moons (less than distance to to next closest celestial).
- Count the towers. if moons > towers, there may be an empty spot.
If you see a moon for another planet, your d-scan range is set too large. If you don't see all the moons for the planet, your d-scan range is set too small. [1 au ~ 150,000 km] It takes less than 10 minutes to scan a system. Narrowing down the exact moon can take longer, but you only do this in systems that have free spots. There is mixed opinion about anchoring at moons with stations. Best advice seems to be to never try to anchor at the warp-in, and possibly even on a different grid than the station; the tower will always snap to the spot where it is allowed when anchored. Sure there are moons available.... in useless systems.
The key requirements for a research POS in high sec are not just an available moon but in a system with a station that has an affordable office rental fee. What is affordable changes for everyone. To some the costs of holding an office in Jita is affordable, for others anything over 10 mil is to much. An empty moon in a system with no stations is useless. Even in a system with a station, if the office rental is 100 mil or more it is again a bad location. These moons are empty because nobody wants them. They are not suitable locations for a research POS. You must have a corp ofice in the same system as your POS to conduct safe research. Without it your BPO's are in the POS array where they can be looted, making your POS a loot pinata.
The moons in good systems with many stations and cheap office rentals are generally taken. There are some available but not many. And not 5 jumps from Jita. The only way you would find an empty moon 5 jumps from Jita is if it was either in a system with no stations, or Someone had bashed the POS and not dropped a new one yet.
Why are you even bothering to scan systems for empty moons, if you do not know what the basic requirements are for a high sec POS? |
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
294
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Posted - 2012.12.11 19:19:00 -
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Rainbow Moose wrote:The last 7 systems I've looked through a decent distance from major trade hubs have had a POS, a large portion of which are inactive, at every available moon.
I don't have the resources to take down a POS, even an inactive one, and it is becoming rather frustrating that I'm unable to setup a research/invention POS. Is there an easier way to find an open moon than spending hours and hours flying around aimlessly? If you keep looking you will find a decent spot with an open moon. They are hard to find though. In my experience you need to look 8 or more jumps from Jita to find an open moon in a system with a station and reasonable office rentals.
My first POS was in Uminas 8 jumps from Jita. Office rental was only 10,000 isk but that station had no good services. i doubt there is an empty moon there now though. Though office rental is still cheap there. Generally 8-10 jumps from Jita in regions outside the forge have the best chances for an available moon and decent station.
I spent many months looking for a GOOD moon to drop a POS at. I ended up giving up and just picking a system with several stations where I could get a cheap office and all the services I needed. Then found a small offline tower to bash to get a moon. It may seem like a daunting task, but small towers are not that hard to take down. And being willing to take down a POS to get the moon will give you access to much better systems. Most personal POS owners run multiple accounts or have freinds to share the POS with. 4 high DPS BS's can take down a small POS in a little over an hour. 2 BS's can do it in about 2 1/2 hours. If it is a dead POS belonging to a dead corp nobody will come to defend it. No need for a tank, just max DPS. If you can not get 3-4 decent DPS BS's together hiring mercs to bash it should not cost to much as a small tower will go down very quickly. |
Rainbow Moose
Sandy Shores Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.12.11 21:02:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote: Sure there are moons available.... in useless systems.
The key requirements for a research POS in high sec are not just an available moon but in a system with a station that has an affordable office rental fee. What is affordable changes for everyone. To some the costs of holding an office in Jita is affordable, for others anything over 10 mil is to much. An empty moon in a system with no stations is useless. Even in a system with a station, if the office rental is 100 mil or more it is again a bad location. These moons are empty because nobody wants them. They are not suitable locations for a research POS. You must have a corp ofice in the same system as your POS to conduct safe research. Without it your BPO's are in the POS array where they can be looted, making your POS a loot pinata.
The moons in good systems with many stations and cheap office rentals are generally taken. There are some available but not many. And not 5 jumps from Jita. The only way you would find an empty moon 5 jumps from Jita is if it was either in a system with no stations, or Someone had bashed the POS and not dropped a new one yet.
Why are you even bothering to scan systems for empty moons, if you do not know what the basic requirements are for a high sec POS?
Actually, I followed his advice and found a moon less than 5 jumps from Jita with multiple stations in the system. Shouldn't be so quick to bash next time ;) |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1158
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Posted - 2012.12.11 21:27:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Why are you even bothering to scan systems for empty moons, if you do not know what the basic requirements are for a high sec POS? I admit, I only have 3 hisec large towers, so I have no idea about "what the basic requirements are for a high sec POS".
I couldn't make an unsubstantiated claim that there were available moons, as that's just not how I operate. Hence I spent time scanning to confirm if there were any or not.
Now perhaps I'm being too harsh, and you really meant to state that I didn't know the OP's requirements, which may not be "basic". In that you would be totally accurate and justified in stating. I'd counter then that the OP's requirements may not be realistic then.
As for office rental, given that I earned over 25m from bounties for one level 4 mission last evening (AE + bonus room, and I didn't bother to loot or salvage), baulking at paying that much for a monthly office rental seems unreasonable to me, especially if it is a corporate investment. |
Huttan Funaila
Terminal Radioactivity Honey Badger Coalition
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Posted - 2012.12.11 22:46:00 -
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Tau, usually when folks are asking these questions, it will be for their first corp POS in high sec. So they're most likely looking for a system with a free moon and a station with:
- an available office,
- 50% base refine,
- most likely a medical facility (one in system is usually sufficient),
- and manufacturing.
By the time they've moved on to multiple towers, the "needs" drop to a simple "free moon in system with a station with an available office".
So to give an example in The Citadel, without checking to see if offices are available, nor caring for distance to "market":
Good: Kulelen (has factories and cloning facilities and 50% refinining).
meh: Venilen (clone facility is 1 jump away - this will be trouble during war time).
not good: Kaaputenen (only repair facilities, no medical, no factory).
Also bad: Hogimo (all NPC stations have 32% refining).
I don't claim to be any sort of expert, but this was the sort of criteria we were looking at when we were trying to find a place to put a tower in high sec. |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
114
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Posted - 2012.12.11 22:52:00 -
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Rainbow Moose wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Why are you even bothering to scan systems for empty moons, if you do not know what the basic requirements are for a high sec POS?
Actually, I followed his advice and found a moon less than 5 jumps from Jita with multiple stations in the system. Shouldn't be so quick to bash next time ;)
I think what Bugsy was getting at is the fact that getting faction standings high enough for a hs POS can take months, even with datacenter handins, and that searching for a POS before you have reached these minimium faction requirements before searching for a moon that is available is a bit pre-mature and could easily be taken before reaching the requirements needed.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1143
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Posted - 2012.12.11 23:06:00 -
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I just keep a Small POS in a system 3 jumps from the nearest station with refining. I use a Corp Hangar Array to drop off ores from the Orca, and when the Hangar approaches 1,000,000 m3, I just fly my Freighter 3 jumps and haul the Ore to station for refining. Saves time. I have one Mobile Array out there too and fly BPO's for Copying and such in Cloaky Transport ships.
The rest of the POS' CPU and Power is used up by ECM mods just because.
Anyway, that's my arrangement and 2 ISK-worth.
edit: Just read the above post, and yeah, it takes awhile to get a non-derived 5.0 Faction Standing. My current 8.0+ with Ammatar got me anchorable in Amarr, Caldari, and Khanid as well (and I've never even been to Khanid nor ever run a mission for a Khanid Corp. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Rainbow Moose
Sandy Shores Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.12.11 23:11:00 -
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Took me 7 days and a hundred mil. Not sure what you're talking about. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1143
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Posted - 2012.12.11 23:23:00 -
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Rainbow Moose wrote:Took me 7 days and a hundred mil. Not sure what you're talking about.
Starting at 3.0 standing, 2 days and 700 'mil'. It's all relative. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
115
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Posted - 2012.12.12 00:15:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I just keep a Small POS in a system 3 jumps from the nearest station with refining. I use a Corp Hangar Array to drop off ores from the Orca, and when the Hangar approaches 1,000,000 m3, I just fly my Freighter 3 jumps and haul the Ore to station for refining. Saves time. I have one Mobile Array out there too and fly BPO's for Copying and such in Cloaky Transport ships. The rest of the POS' CPU and Power is used up by ECM mods just because. Anyway, that's my arrangement and 2 ISK-worth. edit: Just read the above post, and yeah, it takes awhile to get a non-derived 5.0 Faction Standing. My current 8.0+ with Ammatar got me anchorable in Amarr, Caldari, and Khanid as well (and I've never even been to Khanid nor ever run a mission for a Khanid Corp .
So you know, a large ship assembly array can hold 18.5M M3 of ore in case you ever want more storage. I mine on average about 3m - 5m m3 per day (well on the days I mine), which means the assembly array comes in handing when I don't feel like hauling after all the mining.
Oh, and the 5.0 faction standing is pretty easy to achieve, and can be be nearly done just with data center tag handin's, the real grind come with the 6.0 and 7.0 standings. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1144
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Posted - 2012.12.12 00:30:00 -
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Styth spiting wrote:
So you know, a large ship assembly array can hold 18.5M M3 of ore in case you ever want more storage. I mine on average about 3m - 5m m3 per day (well on the days I mine), which means the assembly array comes in handing when I don't feel like hauling after all the mining.
Oh, and the 5.0 faction standing is pretty easy to achieve, and can be be nearly done just with data center tag handin's, the real grind come with the 6.0 and 7.0 standings.
Good to know about the Array's volume. Had no idea, as I don't build Large Ships anymore, and that was early on so I used Public Manufacturing (got Drone and Ammo Factories though now).
But even I start losing my mind after about 5 hours of mining, so it's a little over 1,300,000 max a day (2 Hulks + Orca). And that's really only about twice a week the past year. Ice mining is worse. Takes almost twice as long to fill the Orca with same setup. Ugh.
My issue was having my highest standings for most of my first 18 months as Gallente. I had nothing for Amarr. So when I threw in the towel in Placid for the wierdness (I loved the view of the Cloud Ring though) and moved Ammar/Ammatar ways, I needed standings fast, so I quickly got up to 2.something with missions then just ran the entirety of the Ammatar Data Center Missions with bought tags. ALL of them. My Wallet screamed. At the end I was like 4.86 and ran 2 level 4's and was immediately 5.0
It was hilarious and fun. Had to outwit awaiting 'canes a few times. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
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Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.12.12 01:53:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Styth spiting wrote:
So you know, a large ship assembly array can hold 18.5M M3 of ore in case you ever want more storage. I mine on average about 3m - 5m m3 per day (well on the days I mine), which means the assembly array comes in handing when I don't feel like hauling after all the mining.
Oh, and the 5.0 faction standing is pretty easy to achieve, and can be be nearly done just with data center tag handin's, the real grind come with the 6.0 and 7.0 standings.
Good to know about the Array's volume. Had no idea, as I don't build Large Ships anymore, and that was early on so I used Public Manufacturing (got Drone and Ammo Factories though now). But even I start losing my mind after about 5 hours of mining, so it's a little over 1,300,000 max a day (2 Hulks + Orca). And that's really only about twice a week the past year. Ice mining is worse. Takes almost twice as long to fill the Orca with same setup. Ugh. My issue was having my highest standings for most of my first 18 months as Gallente. I had nothing for Amarr. So when I threw in the towel in Placid for the wierdness (I loved the view of the Cloud Ring though) and moved Ammar/Ammatar ways, I needed standings fast, so I quickly got up to 2.something with missions then just ran the entirety of the Ammatar Data Center Missions with bought tags. ALL of them. My Wallet screamed. At the end I was like 4.86 and ran 2 level 4's and was immediately 5.0 It was hilarious and fun. Had to outwit awaiting 'canes a few times.
Oh I don't bother using the array for ship building, just for ore storage. Setup a small tower + large ship array in a system with no station and you have a ton of storage and the ability to mine in a system most people stay away from for 100m isk / month.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1164
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Posted - 2012.12.12 19:00:00 -
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Styth spiting wrote:So you know, a large ship assembly array can hold 18.5M M3 of ore in case you ever want more storage. I mine on average about 3m - 5m m3 per day (well on the days I mine), which means the assembly array comes in handing when I don't feel like hauling after all the mining. So you know, that's not the best array to use if all you care about is storage: Efficient Storage & Really Big Storage (post #265)
Tau Cabalander wrote:Efficient Storage
There is no real reason to use a Corporate Hangar Array (CHA). All assembly arrays function exactly the same (tabbed divisions that can be used to store anything), except:
* Assembly arrays can also build stuff. * Assembly arrays can be named, where CHA cannot! * CHA has a right-click menu option to trash items.
First, check out the competition:
Small Ship Assembly Array: 2.0 million m3, 100 GW, 250 TF Corporate Hangar Array: 1.4 million m3, 100 GW, 150 TF Component Assembly Array: 1.0 million m3, 50 GW, 150 TF
So for 40% more CPU you get 43% more storage with a Small Ship Assembly Array, or for 50% less power you get 43% less storage with a Component Assembly Array. Win-win!
Small Ship Assembly Array is great for a deathstar-style POS which typically has lots of spare CPU. They are also handy for building fighters and bombers.
Really Big Storage
Sometimes you need a lot of room, say for mining stuff or living out of it in w-space.
Advanced Large Ship Assembly Array: 19.5 million m3, 300 GW, 1000 TF Large Ship Assembly Array: 18.5005 million m3, 300 GW, 1000 TF X-Large Ship Assembly Array: 18.5005 million m3, 300 GW, 1000 TF
They all have the same fitting requirements, so unless you are building certain types of ships, the clear winner for the most storage is the Advanced Large Ship Assembly Array. It can be anchored anywhere, unlike the X-Large which cannot be anchored in hisec. |
RomeStar
Astra Research
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Posted - 2012.12.13 21:36:00 -
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Anchor it in a wormhole but be sure to beef up the defenses. Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
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