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Mirak Nijoba
Gamers Corner United Manufacturing and Technology Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.08 15:18:00 -
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Clearly Eve is full of a lot of uneducated and adolescent players...
To all of those Opposed to my Idea of Making PI more Risky... PVP HAS BEEN MENTIONED FOR PI. I'm just saying that it needs to come sooner.
The only risk of doing PI in high sec is Un-Docking Flying, Picking Up/ Dropping Off and Docking again. (if you're known for making money on PI you might get Suicide Ganked in Highsec... Not as likely)
With Running Missions in High Sec. If there is no Risk then surely you can fly out in a cruiser and take on a level 4 mission without having it fit properly?
The risk with missions is that you can lose your ship. You cannot get podded by NPC's, but they will blow up your ship.
Would you like to say that there is no risk for mission running again? The risk gets smaller and smaller as you get a better and better ship. Take out your Good Ship / You're "1337" Skills. Then you're more likely to lose a ship. Hence More RISK than PI.
Why I posted this is because with everything there is a balance.
Mining = what used to be the safest high sec activity. You can get suicide Ganked by Goonswarm. Missions = Relatively safe, you can lose your ship. Trading = Investment / Market Risks. (No Ship Loss if you stay docked)
PI = From Nil to Millions without going into space but a few times a week if even.
The most you'll spend on a PI Character if you know what you're doing is going to be 50million Max for start up costs. Then 50mil for that one time set up where you make 400mil a month in no time flat.
There is no risk for Mining. There is no Fighting for Production Slots, There is little to no flying in space as you can check planetary progress from your station...
Go to Low/Null and do PI you'll make more ISK with only slightly more risk
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I'm sure there is a lot of things in eve that veteran players like to do other than PI to make loads of money and there is a risk involved with each one... However, If you don't like PI or don't do PI please do not post in this topic unless your Post is in someway constructive...
Krixtal - please learn to read before you reply. Joshua - Thank you for understanding where i was coming from.
Back to the Original Subject.
There needs to be more of a risk involved with PI. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.08 19:17:00 -
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Mirak Nijoba wrote:Clearly Eve is full of a lot of uneducated and adolescent players...
Krixtal - please learn to read before you reply. There needs to be more of a risk involved with PI.
It is already just as risky as any other activity in the game. No more, no less. You can get suicide ganked at a custom station in High Sec just as easily as in Low Sec. High Sec rules already stop NO behaviors.
This entire thread is POINTLESS.
You already have the most 'dangerous' MMO on the Market. Make it more so? Make the game next to impossible to play for anyone in high sec? Make everything hideously even more dangerous ?
At some point.......no one will bother to play. Sounds like a plan being brewed up by yet another infant Nullbear.
Yawn. God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2011.10.08 21:00:00 -
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This is so awesome!
I just made 400M this month thanks to Joshua's sterling work....
The fact that I had to log in every 14 hours for about an hour each time has had absolutely no impact on my enjoyment of the game, and certainly hasn't contributed to me now being confined to a mental institution...
I'd just like to thank him so so so much that I'll be donating him.... eajbfab ferbfbgtioerw
*sorry fell asleep on keyboard due to exhaustion*
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Dynast
Osirians Of Eve Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.08 23:54:00 -
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Mirak Nijoba wrote:Well 400mil isk a month and all you have to do is check this and move that and run some numbers... It's the safest money in the game in high sec might not be as fast as some people like it but for a new acct with a little bit of money say 25mil to get started to be able to make 400mil isk in a month is just ridiculous... it needs to have something to counteract it / make it a little more risky.
This is after all EVE we are talking about. ^_^ There's a reason people asked if you had actually done it; it's not that easy. You're EFTwarrioring. |
Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.09 02:12:00 -
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Vyktor Abyss wrote:This is so awesome!
I just made 400M this month thanks to Joshua's sterling work....
The fact that I had to log in every 14 hours for about an hour each time has had absolutely no impact on my enjoyment of the game, and certainly hasn't contributed to me now being confined to a mental institution...
I'd just like to thank him so so so much that I'll be donating him.... eajbfab ferbfbgtioerw
*sorry fell asleep on keyboard due to exhaustion*
Oh and when DUST arrives expect my marines to murder your stupid highsec factory planets first if you think you're risk free.
Oh noes... So afraid. What ever will I do? |
Woo Glin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 04:22:00 -
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Vyktor Abyss wrote: Oh and when DUST arrives expect my marines to murder your stupid highsec factory planets first if you think you're risk free.
You're out of your mind if you think DUST mechanics are going to affect hisec. CCP has stubbornly protected those that choose to remain in hisec for years now, and there's no indication that this will change any time in the foreseeable future.
His factories, and those belonging to my alts, are completely safe. |
GreenSeed
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 06:14:00 -
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well, PI is profitable because the ppl that do it are just getting p1 or p2 products and selling them once a week to ppl who buy them at hubs and grind them on factory planets... and they do that because its profitable, and it is so because they are the only ones doing it. and yeah doing it is really a ISK printing machine... you can make money as fast as you can cycle your factories.
now, hows that op?
op would be if there were no way to... JUST GET YOUR OWN DAMN FACTOY PLANETS NEAR A HUB AND COMPETE...
oh wait, you can do that can you? and by doing it... wouldnt that make the profitability drop? in wich case wouldnt it be better for you just to stay working your niche producing p1 - p2 and selling OVER market price, in the hopes that this factory runners deplete the resources on market and have no option but to buy your crap?
ohhh this damn capitalism black magic... confuses my head |
Umamasyean
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.10 03:28:00 -
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Well...considering that PI is not really as skill intensive (especially in high sec) and the fact that a noob can do it, 400 mill ISK a month is a lot. Especially since once you're set up, you prolly need minimal mangement relative to stuff that's done in Level 4 missions, and low sec ratting, or wormholes. etc.
I mean, is "T1 module production" or something comparable to this? That's what you have to look at as a basis. I mean, you can say, 0.0 moon mining is much more profitable, but that's not really that accesible to a young character. |
Bloody Wench
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Posted - 2011.10.11 05:40:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:This is just so idiotic.
Good Luck making that 400 Million on one toon in High Sec. MAYBE 250 M, but that's with really great planet resources.
250M / Month is not worth making MORE difficult. It's drop in the bucket. Besides, as pointed out, there is WAY much more money in running Level 4 missions and there is NO threat at all there.
Those Missions bring me over 2 BILLION a month. Why don't we make THEM more risky in High Sec as well, huh ??
Grow a set and do PI in Low Sec. Now, that WILL bring in at least 1.6 BILLION a month, which I do. AND it is super risky.
Lets see you sweat at a Custom Station for pick up and 3 'Canes uncloak.
THERE is your damned risk.........................
Never thought I'd see PI and Super Risky in the same sentence, but there you have it.
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Damagora
CoKaine Merchants
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Posted - 2011.10.11 09:11:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Lets see you sweat at a Custom Station for pick up and 3 'Canes uncloak.
THERE is your damned risk.........................
Cloaking canes?
Only in Science and industry
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Dracko Malus
Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
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Posted - 2011.10.11 10:11:00 -
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Damagora wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Lets see you sweat at a Custom Station for pick up and 3 'Canes uncloak.
THERE is your damned risk.........................
Cloaking canes? Only in Science and industry Confirming that is an excellent idea... if you have half a brain you will be doing your PI pickup in the fastest Covert Transport you can fit. Which can have an align time of about 2.8seconds. Now paste that time on the wall and consider a "Cloaking Cane"
Okay, lets guess that the "Improved Cloaking Device II" would be used.
Quote:Improved Cloaking Device II Speed penalty: -75% Sensor Recalibration: 20 seconds Scan Resolution Bonus: -40% (basically makes you target slower)
Using this with Cloaking 5 (yeah right.. a ganker would train that..??) that reduces sensor recalibration time by 50% (or 10% per level).. the Cane's still have a minimum 10second delay before they can start targeting. And due to the negative scan res bonus, they'll take a few seconds to target you as well.. Meaning that you can easily get out before they can get a lock on you..
On the other hand, if there is a CovOps frig.. he just might be able to lock and point.. But a simple smart tactic can be used..
- open your cargo - approach the customs office and stay out of 2000 range - align to your safespot and make sure you "brush" into the 2000 range.. - open office and drag your good to your hold just after you've hit warp..
You've never been visible to the gankers apart from them seeing you warp off.. which if you did the aligning right.. should happened within a second. Which is too short for anyone to target you and point. |
Rhianna Ghost
Eagle Technologies Avateas Blessed
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Posted - 2011.10.11 10:11:00 -
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Damagora wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Lets see you sweat at a Custom Station for pick up and 3 'Canes uncloak.
THERE is your damned risk.........................
Cloaking canes? Only in Science and industry
Oh, they waited for him for about a week there. |
Salvia Olima
Carnivale. Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.10.12 13:31:00 -
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Want to make profit with PI? Use highsec for installing reaction-planets only, and harvest P2 in nullsec-planets (you WILL need a pos, preferably at a good moon), producing materials that have high market turnaround and relatively stable price (pos-fuels). Also, there is the niche market that fluctuates, like polyaramid, but it can be rewarding if you sell your batch in the right time. It is just a bit more risky. Just my two cents. |
Salvia Olima
Carnivale. Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.10.12 13:31:00 -
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Mirak Nijoba
Gamers Corner United Manufacturing and Technology Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.13 20:45:00 -
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I can't stand to see people who think that running missions has no risk to it...
I can't believe the people who think that there is a lot of risk in PI...
Do people even understand the mechanics to this game before they post.
High-Sec PI can be done at any stage in the P0-P4 Production line and make people quite a bit of money.
If I had the Money and knew the market would be stable I can turn 10billion ISK into 1.8 Billion ISK profit Per month. or every month turn 10billion ISK into 11.8 billion ISK at the end of 30 days. <_<
That's nearly 20% profit margin. How can I do this... look at the market run the numbers yourself and figure it out.
If you don't believe me and you have run the numbers then i might let you in on a secret project that I have been working on that helps me find these numbers. I've tested it out and it's possible.
It shows me the profits that can be made given an end project that I want.
Right now I'm making 100mil isk per month of just one planet in high sec. |
Dietrich VonMirat
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.13 22:08:00 -
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Mirak Nijoba wrote:High-Sec PI can be done at any stage in the P0-P4 Production line and make people quite a bit of money.
If I had the Money and knew the market would be stable I can turn 10billion ISK into 1.8 Billion ISK profit Per month. or every month turn 10billion ISK into 11.8 billion ISK at the end of 30 days. <_<
That's nearly 20% profit margin. How can I do this... look at the market run the numbers yourself and figure it out.
If you don't believe me and you have run the numbers then i might let you in on a secret project that I have been working on that helps me find these numbers. I've tested it out and it's possible.
It shows me the profits that can be made given an end project that I want.
Right now I'm making 100mil isk per month of just one planet in high sec.
So the purpose of your thread is that you are making too much money on PI?
Every character in the game can do it. I fail to see how an activity which is universal can be "OP," especially when 90% of the profit margin is dependent upon smart trading.
I'm not sure you have a point at all, I think you just wanted your own forum thread to argue in. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Placid PI Thundering Herd
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Posted - 2011.10.13 23:12:00 -
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Mirak Nijoba wrote: High-Sec PI can be done at any stage in the P0-P4 Production line and make people quite a bit of money. Right now I'm making 100mil isk per month of just one planet in high sec.
A FLAT-OUT LIE......and that amount is a Pittance.
Again. THIS thread is utterly pointless and absurd. God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Barakach
Dynamic International Solutions
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Posted - 2011.10.14 17:40:00 -
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I'm making about 100-150mil/month with just this char and I'm only lvl4 for upgrades and only have 5 high sec planets. Only problem is I need to refill EVERY DAY. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.10.14 17:50:00 -
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Malkuth Delapounti wrote:Ah dude If you can make that much ISK in HIGH SEC With PI then your amazing.
And No you can't. LOL.
u can if u do pi in low/null sec but not in high sec |
Cassina Lemour
Staner Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.14 18:18:00 -
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PI is just borked.
It was 'sold' as a way for newbies to make some ISK, but the only source of profit in the production chain is 0.0 extraction.
The production side is unprofitable because the logistics make it easier to haul higher tier stuff.
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Comrade Sesk
Kitsune Holdings Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.14 18:40:00 -
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Can't say you can't make that kind of money in 0.0 with 2 characters with perfect PI skills, but remember that undocking in an industrial and warping to a celestial is pure suicide in 0.0. (Since it's so freaking obvious, why would anyone warp off to a planet in a industrial)
And then you need to setup the logistics to move that PI crap out of there. Your 400m of worth of goods need a jump freighter (70-80,000m3). Unless you wanna burn your fuel and cynos jumping that crap out in a carrier. |
Mal Mandrake
Zeta Fleet Joint Alliance Blue
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Posted - 2011.10.16 00:02:00 -
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It appears that you have forgotten about Dust514? The whole point of that game will be for us Eve players to contract PS3 Dust players to take out PI .
The reason why PI is so safe right now is because CCP is depending on us to provide them with a population of planets to run Dust with.
So... PI is safe right now, but be prepared to pay for security later.
Mal Mandrake |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.10.16 05:28:00 -
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Cassina Lemour wrote:PI is just borked. It was 'sold' as a way for newbies to make some ISK, but the only source of profit in the production chain is 0.0 extraction. The production side is unprofitable because the logistics make it easier to haul higher tier stuff.
New players, with less then a week of training, can setup 5 harvest planets in hi-sec that pay for themselves in about 7-10 days. After which, those planets give them product each week that can be hauled to market and sold for ISK. The only ongoing cost that they have to deal with is export taxes and the time spent (nobody needs to move ECUs around in 90% of the cases, it's a waste of ISK over the long term).
No, hi-sec PI harvest planets do not generate a lot of ISK , but for a new player that 60-100M ISK per month for those 5 planets goes a long ways. And if they're smart about it, they can make closer to 120M per month with just 5 planets for not a lot of work. Later on, as they build their capital reserves, they can get into P2/P3/P4 production worlds (all of which make a profit, as long as you pay attention).
Remember, new players get big eyes when you say something costs 5M ISK. That's still a lot of money to a player with less then 2 months in-game. |
Umamasyean
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.18 10:50:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Cassina Lemour wrote:PI is just borked. It was 'sold' as a way for newbies to make some ISK, but the only source of profit in the production chain is 0.0 extraction. The production side is unprofitable because the logistics make it easier to haul higher tier stuff. New players, with less then a week of training, can setup 5 harvest planets in hi-sec that pay for themselves in about 7-10 days. After which, those planets give them product each week that can be hauled to market and sold for ISK. The only ongoing cost that they have to deal with is export taxes and the time spent (nobody needs to move ECUs around in 90% of the cases, it's a waste of ISK over the long term). No, hi-sec PI harvest planets do not generate a lot of ISK , but for a new player that 60-100M ISK per month for those 5 planets goes a long ways. And if they're smart about it, they can make closer to 120M per month with just 5 planets for not a lot of work. Later on, as they build their capital reserves, they can get into P2/P3/P4 production worlds (all of which make a profit, as long as you pay attention). Remember, new players get big eyes when you say something costs 5M ISK. That's still a lot of money to a player with less then 2 months in-game.
Yeah, I think this is very true. I see a lot of posts about "0.0" and "jita trading with 10 billion seed money" etc. But that's kind of off topic and doesn't compare. I mean, is PI "overpowered" because someone who starts playing and is good at Farmville (or EVEVille ) can make 400 mil per month? I suppose if you log onto FarmVille a lot and maintain it enough, you will get a pretty impressive farm, right? But the same can be said about leveling to L4 missioning and maybe you will get some crap payout in the beginning, but when you are super battleship ready...that 2 bill a month is 4 times PI with 3 characters...And you didn't have to divide your training. Are L4 missions "overpowered"?
So, hey, maybe PI is a good way for noobs (in HIGH SEC!) to make some decent ISK, but it doesn't sound to me that it's overpowered since it has a cap. |
Umamasyean
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.18 10:54:00 -
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Umamasyean wrote:Scrapyard Bob wrote:Cassina Lemour wrote:PI is just borked. It was 'sold' as a way for newbies to make some ISK, but the only source of profit in the production chain is 0.0 extraction. The production side is unprofitable because the logistics make it easier to haul higher tier stuff. New players, with less then a week of training, can setup 5 harvest planets in hi-sec that pay for themselves in about 7-10 days. After which, those planets give them product each week that can be hauled to market and sold for ISK. The only ongoing cost that they have to deal with is export taxes and the time spent (nobody needs to move ECUs around in 90% of the cases, it's a waste of ISK over the long term). No, hi-sec PI harvest planets do not generate a lot of ISK , but for a new player that 60-100M ISK per month for those 5 planets goes a long ways. And if they're smart about it, they can make closer to 120M per month with just 5 planets for not a lot of work. Later on, as they build their capital reserves, they can get into P2/P3/P4 production worlds (all of which make a profit, as long as you pay attention). Remember, new players get big eyes when you say something costs 5M ISK. That's still a lot of money to a player with less then 2 months in-game. Yeah, I think this is very true. I see a lot of posts about "0.0" and "jita trading with 10 billion seed money" etc. But that's kind of off topic and doesn't compare. I mean, is PI "overpowered" because someone who starts playing and is good at Farmville (or EVEVille ) can make 400 mil per month? I suppose if you log onto FarmVille a lot and maintain it enough, you will get a pretty impressive farm, right? But the same can be said about leveling to L4 missioning and maybe you will get some crap payout in the beginning, but when you are super battleship ready...that 2 bill a month is 4 times PI with 3 characters...And you didn't have to divide your training. Are L4 missions "overpowered"? So, hey, maybe PI is a good way for noobs (in HIGH SEC!) to make some decent ISK, but it doesn't sound to me that it's overpowered since it has a quick ceiling.
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Gravitas Moque
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.24 12:50:00 -
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as a returning player (been away a couple of years, previously played for about a year or so), PI seems like a reasonable way of making some much needed isk whilst I get back into the swing of things again.
I have a couple of ships and various items spread all over the place since I was last here, the costs of buying a decent ship, fitting it out properly are beyond me at the moment.
I can run missions, but my rep seems to be pretty low, so I wont be getting into high-payment missions for a while.
I figure, some PI, whilst I'm building up rep running low level missions will start to create a healthy bank balance to allow me to go have fun elsewhere.
I don't think I ever had more than 150mil, whatever I made went on ships, fittings etc, but then I'm only a casual player (maybe an hour or two per day at most, and only 4 or 5 days per week). |
Mirak Nijoba
Gamers Corner
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Posted - 2011.10.24 16:40:00 -
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Gravitas Moque wrote:as a returning player (been away a couple of years, previously played for about a year or so), PI seems like a reasonable way of making some much needed isk whilst I get back into the swing of things again.
I have a couple of ships and various items spread all over the place since I was last here, the costs of buying a decent ship, fitting it out properly are beyond me at the moment.
I can run missions, but my rep seems to be pretty low, so I wont be getting into high-payment missions for a while.
I figure, some PI, whilst I'm building up rep running low level missions will start to create a healthy bank balance to allow me to go have fun elsewhere.
I don't think I ever had more than 150mil, whatever I made went on ships, fittings etc, but then I'm only a casual player (maybe an hour or two per day at most, and only 4 or 5 days per week).
It's a Decent Source of Income. Especially with the amount of work that is done to maintain / earn this income.
It's easier than going out mining. ^_^
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Page Starcaster
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2011.10.24 21:06:00 -
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I have three accounts, I run PI on only the main toon on each account, I run extractors at 26-28 hour cycles requiring me to log in to each toon for about 5 minutes each day, I extract all my P0 myself and buy nothing. I make all the P2 and P3 used for POS fuel, I haul to Jita or where ever the best price is once per week which takes me about 2 hours of game time to gather everything up together and haul it. I make about 400-600 mil a month from high sec PI requiring only about 2.5-3 hours time invested per week on three toons, which could be done with one account if you trained up all your alts.
PI can make loads of isk. the more time you invest the more isk you can make. even in high sec. |
Belrend Coregaul
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.25 03:12:00 -
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Mirak Nijoba wrote:I know that I'm fairly new to the Whole PI Skill but from what I've learned. You can Plex an acct with just 1 or 2 characters learning the right skill set.
If I can stand to make 400mil ISK per month with 2 characters doing PI with minimal worry about losing anything, just by being in High Sec Space doesn't that mean that it's a little OP in it's current state.
I feel that there should be a way to PVP with the PI Skill and it should be out soon.
Anyone else have thoughts on this.
I know that they are looking into it but it's not out yet and i'm just curious if anyone else feels the same about this.
Or fly a battleship and join incursion fleets to make 1bil/day which can plex 10ish account a month and still afford to replace their 900mil isk boat with faction fits..
Hmm hmm.. No thanks, up the income from PI and Ore please. Kthnxbye |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
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Posted - 2011.10.25 07:35:00 -
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i don't think the Op realize that if you want to make 400 mil plus from pi in high sec it is relative alot of work, that is if you are using your 2 alts aswell for pi Pi might look easy but don(t forget that for max output you need to tend to your extractor planets on a daily base, emptying them , bringing those goods to your factory planets which in my case i need to be fed every day with materials and i am doing this with 3 accounts
And as every one else i have all my extractor planets or what ever you call them in low sec , yes there is a risk but it is a relative small one , even using a normal t1 hauler it is relative small i think , you just need to find the right low sec area , most of it is actually a wasteland where you can fly around for hours without meeting anyone
So sure you can earn 400 mil per month but it needs much more work and planning than you think
i will however dread the day when other people who have no use or just want to grief can lock me out of those lowsec planets I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
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