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Illest Insurrectionist
Angelic Insurrection Corp
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Posted - 2012.12.10 14:01:00 -
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How about making them suck less?
Like allowing them to salvage abandoned wrecks without having to target each. The same for corp mate wrecks.
How about lowering the targeting priorities of NPCs against them?
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Ruvin
31
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Posted - 2012.12.10 15:37:00 -
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About npc AI thats another question not related with Salvage drone in particular , so cant help there .
I can give you an advice on how making drones salvage random stuff without targeting each wreck 1 by 1 .
Basically dont target wrecks and send them to salvage . Just right click on "drones in space" and select salvage , they will salvage everything around which theyre allowed to . hope that helps .
Opportunities multiply as they are seized. |
Slavac Stark
Black Rifle Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2012.12.10 17:09:00 -
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Like the above poster said just have nothing targeted, right click 'drones in space' and click 'salvage' Donezo.
Salvage drones are the ****. Sure they need some fine tuning but they're pretty slick. |
Ruvin
33
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Posted - 2012.12.10 17:16:00 -
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Slavac Stark wrote:Like the above poster said just have nothing targeted, right click 'drones in space' and click 'salvage' Donezo.
Salvage drones are the ****. Sure they need some fine tuning but they're pretty slick.
Also CCP stated they will implement a shortcut button so you can do that easier also ! :)
Tho to make them salvage something which isnt allowed which can for example flag you as suspect or similar , you need to do that manually . Cos theyre pretty educated and dont do criminal actions on theyre own will :D
Opportunities multiply as they are seized. |
Irya Boone
Escadron leader
85
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Posted - 2012.12.10 17:32:00 -
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Bt if i refer to the Old code of New eden citizen habeas corpus para 5 alinea 12 salvage someone else Wreck is not an illegal action...
So How can it be illegal for the drones?
Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á |
Illest Insurrectionist
Angelic Insurrection Corp
25
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Posted - 2012.12.10 17:45:00 -
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Ruvin wrote:About npc AI thats another question not related with Salvage drone in particular , so cant help there .
I can give you an advice on how making drones salvage random stuff without targeting each wreck 1 by 1 .
Basically dont target wrecks and send them to salvage . Just right click on "drones in space" and select salvage , they will salvage everything around which theyre allowed to . hope that helps .
Sorry but you are wrong.
If you didn't make the wrecks when you do as you suggest it'll say no valid targets found. |
Illest Insurrectionist
Angelic Insurrection Corp
25
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Posted - 2012.12.10 17:45:00 -
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Slavac Stark wrote:Like the above poster said just have nothing targeted, right click 'drones in space' and click 'salvage' Donezo.
Salvage drones are the ****. Sure they need some fine tuning but they're pretty slick.
You are wrong about that. But thanks for the bump i guess. |
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
173
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Posted - 2012.12.10 17:55:00 -
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I thought these sucked when I had them engage the wreck.
Will have to give this another go, doing things properly of course. |
Slavac Stark
Black Rifle Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2012.12.10 18:18:00 -
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Illest Insurrectionist wrote:Slavac Stark wrote:Like the above poster said just have nothing targeted, right click 'drones in space' and click 'salvage' Donezo.
Salvage drones are the ****. Sure they need some fine tuning but they're pretty slick. You are wrong about that. But thanks for the bump i guess.
Wrong about what? Would you like to expand on your issues in some coherent manner or would you like to continue to make pearls with your nature's pocket on the forum? |
Illest Insurrectionist
Angelic Insurrection Corp
25
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Posted - 2012.12.10 18:22:00 -
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Slavac Stark wrote:Illest Insurrectionist wrote:Slavac Stark wrote:Like the above poster said just have nothing targeted, right click 'drones in space' and click 'salvage' Donezo.
Salvage drones are the ****. Sure they need some fine tuning but they're pretty slick. You are wrong about that. But thanks for the bump i guess. Wrong about what? Would you like to expand on your issues in some coherent manner or would you like to continue to make pearls with your nature's pocket on the forum?
Read the post or stop crying, either way.
If you didn't make the wreck they don't work as he suggested. I know you don't play the game so you are unaware of this. |
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KenchaSha
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.12.10 21:23:00 -
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is assuming that they are MEANT to auto-salvage fleet (white, but not made by the pilot alone/themselves) wrecks, and that their current behavior of NOT doing so, will be fixed, overly optimistic?
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Temuken Radzu
Bendebeukers Green Rhino
28
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Posted - 2012.12.10 21:33:00 -
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Just have nothing tageted and then give them the order to salvage. After that you can target anything and the drones will continue to salvage. I use a Kronos with 3 tractors fitted to pull all wrecks close to me so the drones dont have to move much to salvage. Works pretty decently after clearing a site. After only the containers are over i loot them as well just by opening them all and keep clicking "loot all" Of course it isnt nearly as fast as a noctis but i make up the time in without having to switch ships. |
Illest Insurrectionist
Angelic Insurrection Corp
26
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Posted - 2012.12.10 21:52:00 -
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Temuken Radzu wrote:Just have nothing tageted and then give them the order to salvage. After that you can target anything and the drones will continue to salvage. I use a Kronos with 3 tractors fitted to pull all wrecks close to me so the drones dont have to move much to salvage. Works pretty decently after clearing a site. After only the containers are over i loot them as well just by opening them all and keep clicking "loot all" Of course it isnt nearly as fast as a noctis but i make up the time in without having to switch ships.
How is it you can write but not read? |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
693
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Posted - 2012.12.10 22:08:00 -
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How about if we just get rid of salvage drones all together? Then when you realize how nice you have it now, youll ask for them back and be grateful for having them in the first place. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
294
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Posted - 2012.12.10 22:14:00 -
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Illest Insurrectionist wrote:How about making them suck less?
Like allowing them to salvage abandoned wrecks without having to target each. The same for corp mate wrecks.
How about lowering the targeting priorities of NPCs against them?
A "Salvage Now" button on the HUD would be a lot easier. Click it, and whammo! the salvage is in your cargo bay Fly Minmatar Air --- "Trust in the Rust!" |
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CCP Tuxford
C C P C C P Alliance
396
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Posted - 2012.12.11 08:15:00 -
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Illest Insurrectionist wrote: Like allowing them to salvage abandoned wrecks without having to target each. The same for corp mate wrecks.
I view this as a bug to be honest. I'll talk to the team and see if they agree (which I'm pretty sure they do). https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/CCP%20Tuxford/StatusUpdates |
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MainDrain
7th Deepari Defence Armada The Veyr Collective
20
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Posted - 2012.12.11 08:29:00 -
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Ruvin wrote:About npc AI thats another question not related with Salvage drone in particular , so cant help there .
I can give you an advice on how making drones salvage random stuff without targeting each wreck 1 by 1 .
Basically dont target wrecks and send them to salvage . Just right click on "drones in space" and select salvage , they will salvage everything around which theyre allowed to . hope that helps .
In my experience this hasnt been working when running as a fleet with my alt for missions |
Illest Insurrectionist
Angelic Insurrection Corp
26
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Posted - 2012.12.11 08:32:00 -
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CCP Tuxford wrote:Illest Insurrectionist wrote: Like allowing them to salvage abandoned wrecks without having to target each. The same for corp mate wrecks.
I view this as a bug to be honest. I'll talk to the team and see if they agree (which I'm pretty sure they do).
You are my hero. |
Planktal
Kenshao Industries
61
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Posted - 2012.12.11 09:27:00 -
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Yeah, salvage drones automatically salvage my wrecks but if it's a corpmates mission even if he releases the wreck (aka turn blue) the salvage drones say no valid targets. Here sanity, nice sanity.....*THWOOK* Got the bastard |
Mr Pragmatic
167
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Posted - 2012.12.11 09:35:00 -
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Can we do another fix CCP, when I search for "salvage drone" with the auto link. it says nothing can be found...Really? I have to type "salvage drone I" to find it in the hyper link.
I'm not complaining cause its an extra letter, I'm complaining that newer players will get frustrated. Its the theory of a thousand cuts. IMO the search function needs to be a little less strict when it comes to searching for items via auto link. Vote for me in the next CSM Elections. I will fight for the interest of all Hi-sec dwellers. No longer will you be cast aside and disparaged.-á |
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Pitorro0
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.12.11 10:16:00 -
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The drones are nice, cute and all, but could we give them a behavior to salvage different wrecks from other drones? |
Chris Tao
Mad Men Inc
2
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Posted - 2012.12.11 10:22:00 -
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Cant get this to work, did a mission with fleet members of the same corp, and i have my drones in space and right click on salvage and it sayz that: no sutublae weaks found to salvage,
What am i doing worng? |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
335
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Posted - 2012.12.11 10:38:00 -
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Illest Insurrectionist wrote:Ruvin wrote:About npc AI thats another question not related with Salvage drone in particular , so cant help there .
I can give you an advice on how making drones salvage random stuff without targeting each wreck 1 by 1 .
Basically dont target wrecks and send them to salvage . Just right click on "drones in space" and select salvage , they will salvage everything around which theyre allowed to . hope that helps .
Sorry but you are wrong. If you didn't make the wrecks when you do as you suggest it'll say no valid targets found.
Working as intended. The original notes said for drones that if you want to salvage wrecks that aren't yours, you will have to order them to do so. If there are wrecks around that you created, and you target nothing and order your drones to salvage, they will go about their business auto-salvaging everything you wrecked, even if you target wrecks after placing the order.
As for the AI, also working as intended. Honestly, who goes salvaging while there are still hostiles around? Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Illest Insurrectionist
Angelic Insurrection Corp
26
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Posted - 2012.12.11 12:39:00 -
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Read the dev response... |
Jaiimez Skor
Odyssey Inc SpaceMonkey's Alliance
41
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Posted - 2012.12.12 11:14:00 -
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CCP Tuxford wrote:Illest Insurrectionist wrote: Like allowing them to salvage abandoned wrecks without having to target each. The same for corp mate wrecks.
I view this as a bug to be honest. I'll talk to the team and see if they agree (which I'm pretty sure they do).
Hello completely understood Tuxford, HOWEVER in the vent they disagree and design they are working as intended, can you please either do an announcement on the EvE News thing or make the knowledge known that this is by design, and if this is decided as a bug (which I sincerely hope it is) just fix it when you get around to it. :)
Just asking to be kept in touch as a player ^^ |
Von Keigai
Zantiu-Braun Corporation Zantiu-Braun Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.12.12 14:10:00 -
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I tried out salvage drones last night from my Gila. Finished a Guerilla Grounds, perched on the elite wreck, and fired up my salvager on it. This usually takes time, so I put out my shiny shiny new new salvage drones (w/ the skill trained up to 3), and told them to salvage.
They went after the elite wreck, which they probably cannot even salvage. (Anyone know for sure?) Either my on-board salvager or the drones happened to get it very fast. I put my salvager on another nearby wreck. I noticed the drones had stopped salvaging; what? So I told them to salvage again. They again went after the wreck I was salvaging. It appears that when you say "Salvage" the drones prefer to go after whatever wreck you have locked, or perhaps selected. Not helpful for me, but OK, probably few people who have salvagers on their boat are using salvage drones.
After the second wreck, I noticed that my drones had turned themselves off again. Yes, in a field of wrecks, many of which were within 5k of my ship, they stopped noticing them. It appears that when you have directed drones to salvage a specific wreck, they go to it, salvage, then come back and go into standby. Again, not helpful.
After I figured this out, I unlocked all wrecks, then hit "Salvage" again. Now the drones sort of did what I expected to begin with. That is, they chose a wreck (a nearby one -- again, not helpful to me personally but whatever), and went to salvage it. Then they came back, presumably dumped off the salvage, and off they went to salvage another wreck. Hurrah!
But... all five of them are always choosing the same wreck! Thus they are wasting most of their salvage potential. (BTW I did not have "focus fire" selected.) Also, they are really, really slow. They seem to move about as fast as a heavy drone, perhaps 1k/second. It would have taken forever for them to clear the field on their own. And this was just frigate wrecks, on average perhaps 15k from me.
As thing stand, these drones are of very marginal value. Their only serious use appears to be for AFK players. I.e. finish a room, start them salvaging, then go do something else for an hour while they clean up. Hardly a good use of time, but if you had to run to the store anyway, better than nothing.
Let me offer the following suggestions for consideration:
- Make salvage drones microwarp faster, at least when not loaded with salvage. It would be cool if they zoomed out at a rate something like a medium drone, then (laden with salvage) came back at their current speed. This would allow players to recall them fairly quickly empty if needed.
- Make salvage drones give low priority to wrecks that their owner is currently tractoring or salvaging.
- Make salvage drones respect the normal drone setting of "aggressive/passive". If they are aggressive, they should never turn themselves off until no wrecks are left within your drone control range. If they are passive, then they should act like they currently do when you have a wreck selected.
- Make salvage drones respect the normal drone setting of "focus fire". If "focus fire" is on, then they should act like they currently do: all go to one wreck at a time. If "focus fire" is off, they should (ideally) all select different wrecks, or at least they should not always all select the same wreck.
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Illest Insurrectionist
Angelic Insurrection Corp
27
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Posted - 2012.12.12 14:14:00 -
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I'd actually like to see a separate 'focus fire' option just for salvage drones.
I'd almost never want them to focus but my combat drones just the opposite. |
Wholesome Goodness
Star Frontiers THORN Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.12.18 21:55:00 -
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I have salvaging trained to 5 and use salvager 2s with salvage tackle rigs. I've noticed that salvage drones with maximum training only give 13% access difficulty bonus. I compare that to the 565% increase via using the salvager II (not even counting the rig bonuses) and can't help but wonder wtf I would want to use a salvage drone and potentially lose so much. Now, i could be wrong. Do the salvage drones use the salvage skill and rig bonuses as well and we just haven't gotten the salvage drone 2s yet to make up the extra 52% difference? |
Illest Insurrectionist
Angelic Insurrection Corp
36
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Posted - 2012.12.18 23:06:00 -
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What?
Lose so much what?
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Araziah
The Tuskers
1
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:55:00 -
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I'm still astonished at the number of people who think that your access difficulty bonus translates to the amount of stuff you get out of the wreck/can for salvaging/hacking/analyzing. It doesn't. The only thing it determines is how fast you can access it. Whether it takes one cycle or multiple cycles. The exception to this is T2 and some sleeper wrecks, which require a minimum access difficulty to even attempt to salvage. But if you've got the skill high enough, you'll still salvage it and eventually get the same stuff no matter how many cycles it takes. |
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