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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
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Posted - 2012.12.13 06:34:00 -
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There is a ton of rage out there in the forums. I am as angry as the next, probably more so.
But all the people that mean well HAVE to stop feeding the trolls. You can recognize them easily enough.
They are the ones that flip out a 10 word sentence to a long well thought out post suggesting you are an idiot because they have a new game mechanic nailed and you must be a moron for not understanding how easy it is. They love the line "adapt or die". They love the line HTFU. They love the terms "risk/reward" and "rebalance.
But to reply to them just feed their sick need to annoy and hurt other people, even if it just in the forums.
If we ignore their posts, and focus solely on the well-thought out replies to a position, they will get frustrated themselves. Will they go away? Of course not. They will continue to try to incite rage, and lie at every opportunity. But you can deprive them our this jollies.
If we all ignore them, a few things will happen. 1. The threads will be a lot shorter. 2. The message that the masses have might actually seem clearer, when all the noise to replying to troll posts is removed. Like I said, the troll posts won't go away, but if our replies to them do, and we focus on facts, we might actually save our sanity. 3. These clowns know the forum rules backwards and forwards. They the precise line that they can never cross to avoid getting banned, while they hope you step over that line and then they can report your post and get YOU banned. Don't fall for it. Simply don't reply anymore.
Always remember, the vast majority of these trolls are part of a larger propaganda scheme designed to further an agenda. If they can derail the thrust of the idea in a thread, or even get it closed, they are succeeding. And as an added bonus, these people hope to get their twisted jollies driving you nuts.
Don't let them do it. |
Destru Kaneda
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
152
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Posted - 2012.12.13 06:37:00 -
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2/10 Music for robots, geeks, hackers, and nerds. Nerdiest homepage on the internet? |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
352
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Posted - 2012.12.13 06:41:00 -
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And you mean well, OP but in the end, CCP aren't taking any of us serious.
Remember growing up, that guy in school who would go out and get the latest copy of Tomb Raider or Mortal combat, like everyone else at the time? He would get it home, put it in the console and immediately unlock all the weapons and infinite ammo and murder the game in 2 hrs. Come to school and proclaim the game sucked, it was too easy?
You could call him out, why did you use the cheats but the rebuttal was predicted. "It's not a cheat. They are in the game for a reason". Nothing you said mattered, he wasn't going to get it. He didn't play the game for the sake of the game. beating it was all he saw as value.
They are all playing EVE now, living in Null sec mostly but not limited to it by any means. We can't get rid of them without becoming one of them, sifting through the data dumps looking for those elusive I-Win buttons. Losing far more than we will ever gain. So we hide in little pockets of high sec, small areas of the game and try to enjoy the last remains of it, the parts the min-maxers haven't ripped to shreds but the cancer grows day by day. They aren't gamers, they are sploiters and cheaters.
EVE has been very good to you CCP. Ringing it out like a dirty mop seems wrong on so many levels but it seems to be what they have in mind. |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
114
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Posted - 2012.12.13 06:46:00 -
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1/10 for making me respond wumbo |
Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
203
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Posted - 2012.12.13 06:46:00 -
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HTFU Repent what's past; avoid what is to come.
MinerBumping.com
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Ghazu
333
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Posted - 2012.12.13 06:51:00 -
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Skydell wrote:And you mean well, OP but in the end, CCP aren't taking any of us serious.
Remember growing up, that guy in school who would go out and get the latest copy of Tomb Raider or Mortal combat, like everyone else at the time? He would get it home, put it in the console and immediately unlock all the weapons and infinite ammo and murder the game in 2 hrs. Come to school and proclaim the game sucked, it was too easy?
You could call him out, why did you use the cheats but the rebuttal was predicted. "It's not a cheat. They are in the game for a reason". Nothing you said mattered, he wasn't going to get it. He didn't play the game for the sake of the game. beating it was all he saw as value.
They are all playing EVE now, living in Null sec mostly but not limited to it by any means. We can't get rid of them without becoming one of them, sifting through the data dumps looking for those elusive I-Win buttons. Losing far more than we will ever gain. So we hide in little pockets of high sec, small areas of the game and try to enjoy the last remains of it, the parts the min-maxers haven't ripped to shreds but the cancer grows day by day. They aren't gamers, they are sploiters and cheaters.
EVE has been very good to you CCP. Ringing it out like a dirty mop seems wrong on so many levels but it seems to be what they have in mind. christ you two make a good pair in pvp and pve butthurt. and op just wait a while for eve-survival to update. http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984 |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
478
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Posted - 2012.12.13 06:53:00 -
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Skydell, I agree with you on pretty much everything. I think that is the point.
The jerk kid who cheated with Mortal Kombat is the ones that I suggest we ignore. Yes, the game is rife with cheaters and liars, some of who do an awful lot of lying on these forums.
There is no way to stop them from posting. But we can choose to ignore them.
They won't go away, and yes in game and meta-gaming they will do everything they can to destroy anyone they feel like griefing. There is not much we can do about that in-game, but we can try to avoid giving them ANY satisfaction of a response to their trolls on the forums.
Consider this: If someone suicide ganks you in-game, the prudent thing to do is not post anything, as they will try to goad you into some kind of response to their inevitable gloating. This kind of person LIVES for some kind of hate response from their victim. The same mentality is at work with the trolls here: They are essentially griefing you, trying to elicit a response from you in the forums, which they can then show off to their friends, or print them off and store in a box, whatever gets them excited.
So don't give them that pleasure. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
1699
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Posted - 2012.12.13 06:54:00 -
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I will not stand by and watch these forums adopt something that discriminates trolls! In many ways, the troll represent the free spirited nature of man and any attempts to limit the ways trolls express themselves is nothing but censorship and intrusion on rights to express oneself.
Taking that away, I fear, will endanger the rich culture of art, music and literature that trolls has contributed to time and time again.
Please. Think of the trolls.
HAPPY TROLOLOL! :) Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
Bl4ck Ph03n1x
Burned Logic Circuit
7
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Posted - 2012.12.13 06:55:00 -
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I'm with you, OP. We need constructives discussions. We need to ignore trolls. Just stop answering to them. Better. We need, when we see someone fall into the trap, to tell him to stop feeding. For the good of EvE.
I'm putting that in signature. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1895
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Posted - 2012.12.13 06:57:00 -
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"adapt or die" Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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baltec1
Bat Country
3276
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Posted - 2012.12.13 06:59:00 -
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The irony of the OP is that his post describes what bears were saying for months to gankers leading up to retribution perfectly.
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Galaxy Pig
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
286
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Posted - 2012.12.13 06:59:00 -
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Lol, what are you carebears on about? :D |
Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
558
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Posted - 2012.12.13 07:06:00 -
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Trolls are people too. Nibiru approaches... so give me all your stuff.
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
514
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Posted - 2012.12.13 07:13:00 -
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NULLSECCERS!!! |
Darvaleth Sigma
Progressive State State Section 9
25
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Posted - 2012.12.13 07:17:00 -
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If people want to troll, then that's their decision. They've taken the time to hear your thoughts, why should you ignore theirs? Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.
Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10651
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Posted - 2012.12.13 07:21:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:They are the ones that flip out a 10 word sentence to a long well thought out post suggesting you are an idiot because they have a new game mechanic nailed and you must be a moron for not understanding how easy it is. They love the line "adapt or die". They love the line HTFU. They love the terms "risk/reward" and "rebalance. Unfortunately, none of that makes them trolls. In fact, quite often it makes them right GÇö they have grasped the problem and know that solutions are at hand so there really is no more need for the whining that takes place.
So why is it that these responses can't be addressed? Why do they have to be ignored just because they're inconvenient?
Quote:Always remember, the vast majority of these trolls are part of a larger propaganda scheme designed to further an agenda. Yes, let's ad some tinfoil and big-lie-style demonisation GÇö that will surely make the bad men go away. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
23
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Posted - 2012.12.13 07:27:00 -
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But there is no risk for not feeding trolls. Not sure what reward there is though. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
505
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Posted - 2012.12.13 07:39:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:There is a ton of rage out there in the forums. I am as angry as the next, probably more so.
But all the people that mean well HAVE to stop feeding the trolls. You can recognize them easily enough.
They are the ones that flip out a 10 word sentence to a long well thought out post suggesting you are an idiot because they have a new game mechanic nailed and you must be a moron for not understanding how easy it is. They love the line "adapt or die". They love the line HTFU. They love the terms "risk/reward" and "rebalance.
But to reply to them just feed their sick need to annoy and hurt other people, even if it just in the forums.
If we ignore their posts, and focus solely on the well-thought out replies to a position, they will get frustrated themselves. Will they go away? Of course not. They will continue to try to incite rage, and lie at every opportunity. But you can deprive them our this jollies.
If we all ignore them, a few things will happen. 1. The threads will be a lot shorter. 2. The message that the masses have might actually seem clearer, when all the noise to replying to troll posts is removed. Like I said, the troll posts won't go away, but if our replies to them do, and we focus on facts, we might actually save our sanity. 3. These clowns know the forum rules backwards and forwards. They the precise line that they can never cross to avoid getting banned, while they hope you step over that line and then they can report your post and get YOU banned. Don't fall for it. Simply don't reply anymore.
Always remember, the vast majority of these trolls are part of a larger propaganda scheme designed to further an agenda. If they can derail the thrust of the idea in a thread, or even get it closed, they are succeeding. And as an added bonus, these people hope to get their twisted jollies driving you nuts.
Don't let them do it. sure let's do it. and so the forums will become a boring, sterile, black and white town where everybody commutes in subways from 9 to 5, and when they come back they found their wife sleeping with their best friend's wife. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
247
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Posted - 2012.12.13 07:50:00 -
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Eve has sound? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Kathtrine
Wandering Lost
2
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Posted - 2012.12.13 07:55:00 -
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Some truth from the Goons own web site.
If your griefing about EvE online and still paying for it, your hooked and CCP has done thier job.
Now go blow somebodies ship up and stop whining about whatever your are lacking. |
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Beckie DeLey
Living From Scraps
184
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Posted - 2012.12.13 07:59:00 -
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Hi, you're terrible. hth So... i started an industry blog at www.derbk.com/eve There i am preparing a guide to all things related to manufacturing. Check it out!
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3303
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Posted - 2012.12.13 08:03:00 -
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Forum Rules wrote:
4. Be respectful of others at all times.
The purpose of the forum is to provide a platform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. It is possible to disagree without being insulting.
5. Ranting is prohibited.
A rant is a long-winded, redundant post, often filled with angry, non-constructive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and helpful in the development of the game, but rants are disruptive and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise, clear manner and avoid going off on rambling tangents.
7. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums.
Thread locked for a breach of the above rules - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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