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von Khan
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.12.13 20:31:00 -
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The 24th Crusade has returned to his home planet of Kamela in an attempt to rescue his friends from the clutches of the vile gangsters of LNA.
Little does the 24th know that the TRIBAL LIBERATION FORCE has secretly begun construction on a new armored "Farming Starfleet" even more powerful than the first dreaded "Gunless Hoard".
When completed, this ultimate weapon will spell certain doom for the small band of Brothers struggling to restore Peace to the galaxy...
von Khan Philosopher |
Darvaleth Sigma
Progressive State State Section 9
25
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Posted - 2012.12.13 20:35:00 -
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6/10. Good effort, really. Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.
Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life! |
Anemonae Ambrosia
Royal Order of Security Specialists Late Night Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.12.13 21:09:00 -
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Wait, I'm a vile gangster? Nice |
von Khan
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
25
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Posted - 2012.12.13 21:17:00 -
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Well your not a farmer thats for sure, dont know about you but i have found many farmers since the patch
von Khan Philosopher |
Rezig Huruta
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
85
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Posted - 2012.12.13 22:15:00 -
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You mean those dudes with silly names like... cdy156 (or something like that) flying a probe?
I'm so tired of seeing these losers in all of the freaking plexes. I think a good policy will be to nuke these guys on sight.
How much of a faction hit is it to blast these chucklemongers? |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
1218
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Posted - 2012.12.13 22:31:00 -
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Can I be Michael Corleone? Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Ashterothi
Aideron Robotics
104
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Posted - 2012.12.13 23:42:00 -
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Is this being seen at all on the Caldari/Amarr side? Or is this a phenomena of the Gal/Minni? Aideron Robotics is hiring for the Gallente Federation war effort! https://www.aideronrobotics.com/wiki/Applying |
Taoist Dragon
Forced Penetration Reckless Faith
90
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Posted - 2012.12.14 00:07:00 -
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Farmers will find a way to farm regardless... That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
I'm NOT a Pirate! I'm a privateer! |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
596
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Posted - 2012.12.14 01:19:00 -
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It's funny, but looking at the FW page, it seems most of the farming isn't being done by the Minnies. Pre-patch, most of the minmatar systems were stable and level 5. Now most of them are 50+% contested, and they're only Tier 3.
I agree though that the farming hordes have returned, it's just probably across the board, and not just one faction doing it.
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Zaq Phelps
Ad idem
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Posted - 2012.12.14 02:24:00 -
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Darvaleth Sigma wrote:6/10. Good effort, really.
+1 |
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Swift Angels Alliance
685
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Posted - 2012.12.14 13:42:00 -
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Damn, turned too many 425mm AC's into ploughshares, flooded the market, tanked the prices, and then the OP noticed and came and ruined all my evil plotting.
/wrists Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed. http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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von Khan
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
25
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Posted - 2012.12.14 15:06:00 -
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Darvaleth Sigma wrote:6/10. Good effort, really.
I guess there isnt many Star Wars fans here....try this
[[The boundless heavens serve as a back-drop for the MAIN TITLE, followed by a ROLL-UP, which crawls into infinity.]]
a long long time in a far away galaxy......
von Khan Philosopher |
Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
114
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Posted - 2012.12.14 16:13:00 -
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Scruffy looking nerfherders! |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
419
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Posted - 2012.12.14 21:55:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:It's funny, but looking at the FW page, it seems most of the farming isn't being done by the Minnies. Pre-patch, most of the minmatar systems were stable and level 5. Now most of them are 50+% contested, and they're only Tier 3.
I agree though that the farming hordes have returned, it's just probably across the board, and not just one faction doing it.
Farming hordes were never faction specific, nor were people who join FW purely for the ISK. People need get over their factional pride and realize this. When a group of farmers on Caldari who are only in FW to farm switch sides to farm another profitable militia, its easy to pull the propaganda card and say that the Caldari's problem is that Caldari militia pilots aren't dedicated like the Gallente or whoever's side they join to keep the farming going, but its asinine.
Is it still a truthful statement? Perhaps, in the context of large numbers of Caldari pilots who also push the warzone indeed may be following the ISK around, but its extremely misleading.
In fact, I know a group that is planning on joining Gallente because they have lots of newbros and joining Gallente means a higher level of self-sustainability. The decision is a mostly economic one, and not one of factional loyalty, yet in the context of discussing game mechanics the resolve and loyalty always overshadows any analysis of the core mechanics. I'm sure while they are in Gallente and happily farming and pewing away the mood will propaganda will be that the Gallente are winning because their players are more dedicated, and if they become unprofitable and those groups leave the propaganda will be that the Gallente are only in it for the ISK and have no factional loyalty.
My above comments aren't a statement against the Caldari or Gallente in particular, just using them as an example since thats the current situation.
In the end, its unfortunate that we didn't spend more time talking about what extrinsic CCP given reasons players have to join and stay involved in a particular faction, during Inferno, since its unlikely we'll recieve much more love for our feature in the future. Has this kind of factional division and propaganda existed since FW was created? Yes, probably. Its probably also why FW was a largely irrelevant feature in the eyes of the rest of EVE for the many years it's been around, until Inferno. Something to consider.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Anemonae Ambrosia
Royal Order of Security Specialists Late Night Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.12.14 23:53:00 -
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I like this thread, not only is the OP making a pretty good point but he presents it in a way that makes me laugh.
Extra credit for the "insult" thrown at LNA :D |
Zarnak Wulf
Imperial Outlaws
774
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Posted - 2012.12.15 01:56:00 -
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The whole system feels like unless you're on 8+ hours a day you'll log on to some crisis going on. I personally hate leaving a system stable, logging out for a whole 14 hours, and coming back to 18% contested. If it is LNa or Iron Oxide launching an offensive - then I need to get a fleet together and go deal with it. But to have casual farmers move it that much in wolves with 5 WCS...... That is crap. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
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Posted - 2012.12.15 03:15:00 -
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Why not have lp pay out only when the system is raised to say level 3? Basically the same idea as incursions but per system. This way the farmers actually have to win for their side if they want get money. Meanwhile PVP pays out on the spot. Thus the ISKcentive is blow the other side up rather than button circle. |
Hidden Snake
Genco Fatal Ascension
167
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Posted - 2012.12.15 21:39:00 -
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Remove the tier system and farmers will go ... Farmers here mostly because it is easy for them to get cheap stuff in higher tiers. And yes they are massively disbalancing normal plexing. IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2012.12.16 09:54:00 -
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Im not convinced there is a farming horde. Fact is that caldari have been hitting up similar vp numbers to gallente dispite the high tier gallente enjoys. 15-20k vp per side does not indicate the farming horde, the vp levels back then were nearer and exceeded 100k vp every day.
Also, as gallente take more systems farming lp will become redundant when only caldari homesystems are left. So there is no long term effectiveness to farming plexes.
The real question is how do caldari come back from the brink? They have captured a number of systems recently so its obviously not a problem with the system. Perhaps when they work better together and/or attract more willing people their time will come again.
In the meantime, their faction item prices will rise and will somewaht offset their tier 1 lp income. There is balance in this :) |
cearaen
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.12.16 17:19:00 -
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Pinky Feldman wrote:
...sensible post explaining that its not inherent in any militia that they will be prone to farmers than others, but instead that people just tend to prefer more money rather than less......
In the end, its unfortunate that we didn't spend more time talking about what extrinsic CCP given reasons players have to join and stay involved in a particular faction, during Inferno, since its unlikely we'll recieve much more love for our feature in the future.
Depending on what post you read from Hans ccp either listened to him at an unprecedented level or not at all. But it was clear that he changed his position on what he was telling ccp and after he changed his position ccp did what he advocated.
During his campaign and at the beginning he was very strong that there needed to be economic balance. But later he argued the winning side was being "punished for winning too much" and pushed through the retribution system which had even fewer economic balances. When questioned about this he got pretty defensive and refused to be reasonable. (see the features and ideas discussions on I hubs) After he was pushed he admited he didn't think there needed to be any economic balance.
After inferno everyone was space rich from farmign the stupid system and so the economic imbalance is still not that big of a deal. But over time as the rich pilots leave faction war and new poorer pilots keep joining you will see that which ever side is winning will tend to keep getting new pilots and the losing side will fade.
Pinky Feldman wrote: Has this kind of factional division and propaganda existed since FW was created? Yes, probably. Its probably also why FW was a largely irrelevant feature in the eyes of the rest of EVE for the many years it's been around, until Inferno. Something to consider.
As far as history, we never really used to complain that one side or the other was farming plexes because there was absolutely no pay in it other than tags. All the old guard plexers were either in it for roleplay, bragging rights, or pvp. There of course has always been the criticism that plexing is most effectively done as a pve activity, but it wasn't an issue with farming. Sure missions were farmed but that never effected occupancy. |
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2012.12.17 02:53:00 -
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von Khan wrote:Darvaleth Sigma wrote:6/10. Good effort, really. I guess there isnt many Star Wars fans here....try this [[The boundless heavens serve as a back-drop for the MAIN TITLE, followed by a ROLL-UP, which crawls into infinity.]] a long long time in a far away galaxy......
We got that it was a Star Wars intro.
You just didn't give an Episode Number so we are not sure which part of the story this is.
Please don't be a prequel. They were so bad - especially the one where the Gallente leader (Jar Jar) went back to that frog city (aka Villore).
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Thomas Gore
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.17 06:37:00 -
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I support removing all PvE elements from FW. Pronto.
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Hidden Snake
Genco Fatal Ascension
167
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Posted - 2012.12.17 07:23:00 -
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cearaen wrote:Pinky Feldman wrote:
...sensible post explaining that its not inherent in any militia that they will be prone to farmers than others, but instead that people just tend to prefer more money rather than less......
In the end, its unfortunate that we didn't spend more time talking about what extrinsic CCP given reasons players have to join and stay involved in a particular faction, during Inferno, since its unlikely we'll recieve much more love for our feature in the future.
Depending on what post you read from Hans ccp either listened to him at an unprecedented level or not at all. But it was clear that he changed his position on what he was telling ccp and after he changed his position ccp did what he advocated. During his campaign and at the beginning he was very strong that there needed to be economic balance. But later he argued the winning side was being "punished for winning too much" and pushed through the retribution system which had even fewer economic balances. When questioned about this he got pretty defensive and refused to be reasonable. (see the features and ideas discussions on I hubs) After he was pushed he admited he didn't think there needed to be any economic balance. After inferno everyone was space rich from farmign the stupid system and so the economic imbalance is still not that big of a deal. But over time as the rich pilots leave faction war and new poorer pilots keep joining you will see that which ever side is winning will tend to keep getting new pilots and the losing side will fade. Pinky Feldman wrote: Has this kind of factional division and propaganda existed since FW was created? Yes, probably. Its probably also why FW was a largely irrelevant feature in the eyes of the rest of EVE for the many years it's been around, until Inferno. Something to consider.
As far as history, we never really used to complain that one side or the other was farming plexes because there was absolutely no pay in it other than tags. All the old guard plexers were either in it for roleplay, bragging rights, or pvp. There of course has always been the criticism that plexing is most effectively done as a pve activity, but it wasn't an issue with farming. Sure missions were farmed but that never effected occupancy. in general this. I must say actual problem is that Hans pushed worse solution if it is combined with stupid tier system. Hans actually killed chance of lowsec dwellers to have independent and mutually acceptable candidate for CSM forever. :(
IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
286
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Posted - 2012.12.17 08:31:00 -
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Hidden Snake wrote:
As far as history, we never really used to complain that one side or the other was farming plexes because there was absolutely no pay in it other than tags. All the old guard plexers were either in it for roleplay, bragging rights, or pvp. There of course has always been the criticism that plexing is most effectively done as a pve activity, but it wasn't an issue with farming. Sure missions were farmed but that never effected occupancy.
in general this. I must say actual problem is that Hans pushed worse solution if it is combined with stupid tier system. Hans actually killed chance of lowsec dwellers to have independent and mutually acceptable candidate for CSM forever. :( [/quote]
Anyone that didn't think Hans was going to just push a bunch of self serving BS was a fool. Just had to read the stuff he posted to see he was just in it for his own issues. He was never about actually fixing FW. |
Hidden Snake
Genco Fatal Ascension
167
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Posted - 2012.12.17 09:55:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Hidden Snake wrote: in general this. I must say actual problem is that Hans pushed worse solution if it is combined with stupid tier system. Hans actually killed chance of lowsec dwellers to have independent and mutually acceptable candidate for CSM forever. :(
Anyone that didn't think Hans was going to just push a bunch of self serving BS was a fool. Just had to read the stuff he posted to see he was just in it for his own issues. He was never about actually fixing FW.
well I was against him even before the vote ... but many in Am/Cal miltiias get fooled.
I am not unbiased and never was saying I am neutral, but I am more lowsec dweller then a miltiia man now. Hans just ruined the chance to get someone to speak for the fragmented wildlands society (ie lowsec). IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
jjohnpaul xvii
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
50
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Posted - 2012.12.17 10:04:00 -
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Capitol One wrote:Scruffy looking nerfherders!
Who's scruffy looking?
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KiithSoban
Extra Dimensional Rat Pack Renegades
4
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Posted - 2012.12.17 18:16:00 -
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Let the farmers come. Pirates like me will feed off them. We kill either side with no remorse.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=537781&m=12&y=2012
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
692
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Posted - 2012.12.17 19:25:00 -
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Tier System = CCP, not Hans. Tier system with massive boosts was put into FW to shake things up. As CCP Soundwave said "It is not meant to be balanced" - or something like that.
The overall effect of the FW boost has been a significant increase in the population of low sec. Not only are there more corporations joining FW, there are more pirates living in low sec now as well. There are STILL more fights and more kills now than before the FW expansion hit in May.
The tier system is borked, but whatever. Deal with it. If you don't want to be part of FW, then leave. The new gate aggression mechanics were designed for you anyways. |
Dzajic
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Posted - 2012.12.18 00:15:00 -
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Links, implants?
Because if you are doing it in fit shown without any "invisible to KB" help... GG sir GG. You make Atron look op. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
291
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Posted - 2012.12.20 08:36:00 -
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Dzajic wrote:Links, implants? Because if you are doing it in fit shown without any "invisible to KB" help... GG sir GG. You make Atron look op.
lol the atron is OP now.. It's just about as good as the Navy Comet when set up to kite. Just doesn't get the drones. |
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