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Los Muertas
Mir'Mulnir Tribe
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Posted - 2012.12.14 20:42:00 -
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Two days ago, my former Master, the Lord Paladin Rhaj Al-Sihng, was killed in Vard whilst doing his duty to his Empire in an effort to take that system by Republic warships. Al-Sihng, 67 years of age, was perhaps a progressive Holder by his contemporaries whom instructed his "Ward's" as he refereed to his slaves n the way of the world, even going so far as to bring instructors to his holding to teach many of us to what could be equivalent of a University education had we not been slaves. In the ranks of Holders, he was perhaps the best and even despite my Freeman status, I will always refer to the man as My Lord Father.
I request any willing Amarrian, regardless of their standings to myself, to allow me to transfer his body to your care that you may take him home, to be buried in the crypt of his kin as is befitting a man of moral stature. Pass on the message to My Lord Brother Siefu Al-Sihng, my late Lords son and heir, that my greatest regret in life is to have hurt Our Lord Father when I betrayed his trust and escaped, but that those of my Kin whom killed the Lord Father are now dead.
I also ask that any amongst you whom knew the Lord Father, to add your best wishes to his family here. Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
Kelly Rabbit
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.14 21:17:00 -
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I would be willing to undertake such a task. Contact me with the details. |
Los Muertas
Mir'Mulnir Tribe
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Posted - 2012.12.14 21:25:00 -
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Kelly Rabbit wrote:I would be willing to undertake such a task. Contact me with the details.
I do appreciate the offer and I will take you up on it, but I would like to point out that as one of the People, your arrival or possession of a Holder body that was killed by the People may end badly for you madam. The Lord Father was much loved and revered by his peers, think on this and let me know if you are still willing. Either way my deepest thanks for your offer. Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
317
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Posted - 2012.12.14 21:27:00 -
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It warmed my heart to read this, sir. It's strange, the bonds that form between people can be so resilient and so very deep. My deepest sympathies, and thank you for sharing this with us. May he find a place of rest and honour amongst his ancestors, and amongst your own as well.
If you would like my assistance in returning his body home, I would be pleased and honoured to assist you. |
Kelly Rabbit
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.14 21:28:00 -
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Los Muertas wrote:Kelly Rabbit wrote:I would be willing to undertake such a task. Contact me with the details. I do appreciate the offer and I will take you up on it, but I would like to point out that as one of the People, your arrival or possession of a Holder body that was killed by the People may end badly for you madam. The Lord Father was much loved and revered by his peers, think on this and let me know if you are still willing. Either way my deepest thanks for your offer.
I am a Sergeant First Class in the Imperial Army, not a Minmatar rebel. I am willing to undertake this task not for you, but for the Holder's sake. |
Los Muertas
Mir'Mulnir Tribe
71
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Posted - 2012.12.14 21:34:00 -
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Kelly Rabbit wrote:Los Muertas wrote:Kelly Rabbit wrote:I would be willing to undertake such a task. Contact me with the details. I do appreciate the offer and I will take you up on it, but I would like to point out that as one of the People, your arrival or possession of a Holder body that was killed by the People may end badly for you madam. The Lord Father was much loved and revered by his peers, think on this and let me know if you are still willing. Either way my deepest thanks for your offer. I am a Sergeant First Class in the Imperial Army, not a Minmatar rebel. I am willing to undertake this task not for you, but for the Holder's sake.
Then I thank you most deeply, the Lord Fathers remains will be kept in cryo-freeze and I will transport them to a neutral station of your choosing. I would offer an Honor Guard of my Clansmen, but this would most likely not sit well when we enter into the Empire as we are all wanted men there. If, aside from the Lord Fathers remains, you require anything in this matter including an Honor Guard within contested regions or monetary compensation, I will gladly help as far as my means allow. Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
Kelly Rabbit
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.14 21:37:00 -
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I will arrange for an honour guard. Are you able to enter Ammatar space? |
Los Muertas
Mir'Mulnir Tribe
71
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Posted - 2012.12.14 21:39:00 -
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Kelly Rabbit wrote:I will arrange for an honour guard. Are you able to enter Ammatar space?
My fallen kinsmen will shot us on sight, however they would have to catch me first so yes I can meet you there Madam. Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
128
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Posted - 2012.12.15 00:35:00 -
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Los Muertos, I will request permission from PIE Inc. leadership to perform this task if Kelly Rabbit is unable to do so.
Affording one's enemy with civility in life and dignity in death is a time-honored tradition that can be appreciated by all civilized peoples. I personally thank you for carrying on that tradition. |
Kelly Rabbit
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.15 02:13:00 -
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The transfer of the Holder has already happened, sir. If you would like to second troops for the honor guard at the funeral, please contact me and I will forward that to the appropriate officers. The funeral will be held tomorrow at the Amarr Imperial Cemetery. I have been assured by Major Lansky that he will be buried with full honors due his rank and station. |
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Sepherim
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.15 14:08:00 -
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Honor even in war. Some days, even my sarcastic side has to shut up faced with the evidence that even among death there can be something valuable. Sepherim Catillah; Ex-Imperial Navy Officer |
Kelly Rabbit
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.15 20:42:00 -
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Holder Al-Sihng, Paladin of the Empire, was buried today at the Amarr Imperial Cemetery on Amarr Prime. Many of his friends and family were in attendance. The funeral was held at the Cathedral of the Martyrs, presided over by Father Blackstone. Honor guard and ceremonial duties were preformed by the 2nd Battalion of the 117th Shock Assault Regiment of the Imperial Army, commanded by Major Lasky. A Templar overflight was provided by the Archon-class carrier, TES Glory of Seraphim. Lastly, Holder Al-Sihng was awarded the Legion of Merit for his life long efforts in service of the Empire. |
Cynthia Gallente
Bio's Holdings Bio's Remnant.
649
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Posted - 2012.12.15 20:50:00 -
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This is such a noble and honourable thing that you have done for your Lord Father. May you live a long, healthy, happy life. Post with your lickGäó |
Alizabeth Vea
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
28
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Posted - 2012.12.15 23:07:00 -
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I've been trying to think of something snide to say, but have come up short in this instance. Instead I will commend Muertas for not being a frothing at the mouth Minmatar. A Guide to Good Posting:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182980&find=unread |
Los Muertas
Mir'Mulnir Tribe
78
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Posted - 2012.12.16 00:15:00 -
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Slavery, be it by the Amarr or by Sansha's Nation, is a degrading act for both the slave and the master. However if My Lord Father has taught me anything in both how he kept us as slaves and his interpitations of the scriptures he held so dear that allowed him to see it as his God's will that we, his servants, find our own path, it is that all men are capable of answering to their better nature if given a chance.
Many of my own kind have flooded my inbox with hateful rants about not only honoring the Lord Father, but for putting to death his killers whom were themselves Minmatar. The Lord Father could have escaped Vard with his life, but he chose to stay and fight to allow civilians and others of his Nation to escape in the last moments before the site he was engaged in fell. It was unnecessary for him to die that day, he could have been allowed to escape save for the over zealous wrath of my people. I do not use this as an excuse for my actions against my own save to say that honoring the debt of freedom given to me and my clan by the Lord Father demanded retribution.
I have been humbled by the support given in this situation by my enemies, and I have come to wonder if I cannot use the lessons of this event to better relations between Minmatar and Amarr. Mir'Mulnir Tribe will always stand for the freedom of our kin and the reunification of the Seven Tribes, but I have withdrawn the Tribe from the Tribal Liberation Forces roster until we can decide on how best to serve that goal. Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
Alizabeth Vea
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
29
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Posted - 2012.12.16 00:26:00 -
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Los Muertas wrote: Many of my own kind have flooded my inbox with hateful rants about not only honoring the Lord Father, but for putting to death his killers whom were themselves Minmatar.
Cripes. You executed soldiers for doing their duty in wartime simply because they killed someone that you liked? Disregard my previous comment, you're almost as insane as Orion or Kim. A Guide to Good Posting:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182980&find=unread |
Los Muertas
Mir'Mulnir Tribe
78
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Posted - 2012.12.16 00:34:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Los Muertas wrote: Many of my own kind have flooded my inbox with hateful rants about not only honoring the Lord Father, but for putting to death his killers whom were themselves Minmatar.
Cripes. You executed soldiers for doing their duty in wartime simply because they killed someone that you liked? Disregard my previous comment, you're almost as insane as Orion or Kim.
If attacking unarmed haulers laden with civilians and technicians fleeing from a lost battle and the lone Absolution providing support for that with drawl, all of which had signaled they intended to retreat, is "doing their duty" then I find quarrel with that. Surrender is NOT a permission slip for the victor to slaughter and neither is with drawl. Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
Alizabeth Vea
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
29
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Posted - 2012.12.16 00:39:00 -
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Los Muertas wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote:Los Muertas wrote: Many of my own kind have flooded my inbox with hateful rants about not only honoring the Lord Father, but for putting to death his killers whom were themselves Minmatar.
Cripes. You executed soldiers for doing their duty in wartime simply because they killed someone that you liked? Disregard my previous comment, you're almost as insane as Orion or Kim. If attacking unarmed haulers laden with civilians and technicians fleeing from a lost battle and the lone Absolution providing support for that with drawl, all of which had signaled they intended to retreat, is " doing their duty" then I find quarrel with that. Surrender is NOT a permission slip for the victor to slaughter and neither is with drawl.
No. Flat out no. Retrograde is a military movement, and the vessels are still valid targets. Surrender is a different matter entirely, but that is not what happened, is it? When a fleet is broken that is when the most kills are made as reps are no longer hitting and the enemy can be picked off one by one. A Guide to Good Posting:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182980&find=unread |
Los Muertas
Mir'Mulnir Tribe
78
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Posted - 2012.12.16 00:45:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote: No. Flat out no. Retrograde is a military movement, and the vessels are still valid targets. Surrender is a different matter entirely, but that is not what happened, is it? When a fleet is broken that is when the most kills are made as reps are no longer hitting and the enemy can be picked off one by one.
The battle was won, the Amarrian forces had signaled that they would give the field as soon as they had loaded the last of their people onto that hauler and His Guiding Light, the Absolution commanded by the Lord Father purposfully tried to keep range from the aggressors and didn't lock his weapons the entire time, even as the Firetails webbed and scrambled him and the Hounds decloaked. As the ship was ripped apart around him and his crew he sent out a message in local that "if the price of the safety of our people is the my death and the death of my crew, then I give it freely but please let the civilians go". Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
Alizabeth Vea
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
29
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Posted - 2012.12.16 00:57:00 -
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Los Muertas wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote: No. Flat out no. Retrograde is a military movement, and the vessels are still valid targets. Surrender is a different matter entirely, but that is not what happened, is it? When a fleet is broken that is when the most kills are made as reps are no longer hitting and the enemy can be picked off one by one.
The battle was won, the Amarrian forces had signaled that they would give the field as soon as they had loaded the last of their people onto that hauler and His Guiding Light, the Absolution commanded by the Lord Father purposfully tried to keep range from the aggressors and didn't lock his weapons the entire time, even as the Firetails webbed and scrambled him and the Hounds decloaked. As the ship was ripped apart around him and his crew he sent out a message in local that " if the price of the safety of our people is the my death and the death of my crew, then I give it freely but please let the civilians go".
I'm still not seeing anything wrong here. If he had asked for surrender, that would be different, but he did not. You're at war. That means if you get a chance to kill the enemy you do it. A Guide to Good Posting:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182980&find=unread |
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Los Muertas
Mir'Mulnir Tribe
79
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Posted - 2012.12.16 01:18:00 -
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Regardless, the entire premise of this topic has been accomplished. The Lord Father's remains are now at rest. I will not try to convince people of our point of view, we acted as we did because we did so in accordance with whom we are as a people. We, I, have served the Republic, not for its ideals but for the people. People are more important to us then flags, and how we treat people is equally important.
Once we, the people of this forum, were once Mortals whom owed the world one thing and that was a death. We all die alone even if we lived surrounded with friends, but dignity is something that we can provide to the departed, and dignity was something that was not afforded to those on the unarmed hauler, nor the battle cruiser that begged to die in their place and for their safety. Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
Alizabeth Vea
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
30
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Posted - 2012.12.16 06:55:00 -
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And you still don't see what you did wrong. Amazing. A Guide to Good Posting:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182980&find=unread |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
323
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Posted - 2012.12.16 10:02:00 -
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Los Muertas wrote:Slavery, be it by the Amarr or by Sansha's Nation, is a degrading act for both the slave and the master. However if My Lord Father has taught me anything in both how he kept us as slaves and his interpitations of the scriptures he held so dear that allowed him to see it as his God's will that we, his servants, find our own path, it is that all men are capable of answering to their better nature if given a chance.
Many of my own kind have flooded my inbox with hateful rants about not only honoring the Lord Father, but for putting to death his killers whom were themselves Minmatar. The Lord Father could have escaped Vard with his life, but he chose to stay and fight to allow civilians and others of his Nation to escape in the last moments before the site he was engaged in fell. It was unnecessary for him to die that day, he could have been allowed to escape save for the over zealous wrath of my people. I do not use this as an excuse for my actions against my own save to say that honoring the debt of freedom given to me and my clan by the Lord Father demanded retribution.
I have been humbled by the support given in this situation by my enemies, and I have come to wonder if I cannot use the lessons of this event to better relations between Minmatar and Amarr. Mir'Mulnir Tribe will always stand for the freedom of our kin and the reunification of the Seven Tribes, but I have withdrawn the Tribe from the Tribal Liberation Forces roster until we can decide on how best to serve that goal.
I can't speak for your people or ways, but this was a regrettable, but honourable, path. I hope that those Amarr who lived to see another day will remember that it was your Lord Holder's kindness that sowed the seeds of their survival. I hope as well that those Minmatar who lost their loved ones in these acts can find the same forgiveness as he when you sought your release. |
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