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El 1974
Bendebeukers Green Rhino
62
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Posted - 2012.12.15 17:40:00 -
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Yes, risk vs reward is broken. Hisec needs fixing. The risk in hisec is much higher than in 0.0. I'm at high risk to get bored in hisec, and much less at risk for that in 0.0. Losing a ships is not something I worry about - I have plenty of isk to buy another. |
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
163
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Posted - 2012.12.15 17:42:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Players expectations are broken.
Fixed.
Or you could say...
In going on five years of playing Eve, more and more is being done to reduce the options available to those who chose to play casually in hisec, to the point where there will not be reason to play.
The game is fine, balance the players. It is the greatest inequality to try to make unequal things equal. |
March rabbit
Aliastra
286
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Posted - 2012.12.15 18:28:00 -
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WilliamMays wrote:High sec should be "safer" but with less rewards, pushing players into riskier areas to gain better rewards. And it is in all aspects. Safer and present less rewards
WilliamMays wrote:Null needs to be riskier in my opinion, with more reward than it has now. More reason to have shiny ships in risky situations, getting blown up more often. If the rewards aren't big enough, the shiny is less likely to be there for baddies to kill. I dunno about others but i personally made about 40 billions just spending 1-2 hours a day living in Droneland (before drones were converted to ISK). And i'm a lazy bear. So i reallly can't comment about "need more rewards".
On the other hand: take a look to alliances like PL/Goons. They are crazily rich. Goons even drop billions to support suicide in empire. Do you know any other alliance (not from 0.0) able to do the same?
Real ISK is in 0.0
WilliamMays wrote:Low sec, as it is now, has the highest risk and mediocre rewards. This one is the hardest to fix. It is. And it's ok. There is one big problem: players. CCP can't do anything with this risk factor. |
Macaya
Endless Destruction Tribal Band
8
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Posted - 2012.12.15 18:31:00 -
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Harland White wrote:Why are null and low players so FURIOUSLY DETERMINED to enforce their gamestyle on others? Force it on me, and I'll unsub, as will a huge portion of the playerbase, and then CCP will either have big layoffs which will spell out the end of EVE as you know it, or they'll move 95% of their resources into other games, which will spell out the end of EVE as you know it. Which do you prefer, Einstein?
All you whining null babies are screaming bloody murder about high sec because your rabid desire for "****ing someone's day up" is increasing, but the amount of oblivious targets wandering around out there for you to "**** up" are remaining the same. The reward of null sec is massive, 3 hours of complexes can get you 1 or 2 pilots licenses, 3 hours of L4 missions in highsec can get you a Drake.
STFU, your misinformation and ignorance is absolutely astounding.
1) Can I haz your stuff ?
2) Did you read my post...???
3) Please bottle your tears up as CCP will take them as compensation for the lack of your isk per hour whine... |
Macaya
Endless Destruction Tribal Band
8
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Posted - 2012.12.15 18:34:00 -
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Barakach wrote:Carton Mantory wrote:Ideas that should be implemented:
No high sec stations should have any lab facilities.
No high sec stations should have manufacturing facilities.
No high sec stations can refine ICE.
Watch Goons quickly blow up all the competition then corner the market on any manufacturing of ANY kind. Once they have control of all manufacturing, they can control what can be purchased. A pure monopoly on everything. With absolutely no safety net, the strong can keep getting stronger until they're the only one left.
LOL you have not been playing this game long eh?
It has happened in the past already and the "END OF EVE" did not come...
I LOVE NOOBS |
Barakach
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2012.12.15 18:56:00 -
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Macaya wrote:LOL you have not been playing this game long eh? It has happened in the past already and the "END OF EVE" did not come... I LOVE NOOBS
I am a "noob". I was just bringing it to it's logical conclusion. I have taken history classes and what I said is what happens in any society, doesn't matter if it's virtual or real.
Anyway, I was trying to look up when CCP removed all manufacturing from high sec and I keep hitting links on how to do manufacturing in high sec. Got any key words or time frames that I can look this up? |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
352
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Posted - 2012.12.15 19:04:00 -
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EVE is not about risk. It's about strategics.
When was the last time a war was fought in Deklein? Not Venal, fade, tribute, Branch but in Deklein? I can't remember. It's the High Sec of null sec because it has such a huge passive income potential. Yet it is never under siege. You can't just take 200 sub caps to Deklein and break the income back bone. You need fleets big enough to stront their POS chains. You need to be able get that fleet through multiple regions of hostile by NBSI politics, regions to do it.
You could suggest that me as a high Sec player needs to wage campaigns in Null to keep the null bears off my ISK faucets. Those being High Sec trade lanes and mission hubs. It still wouldn't be true in the case of current EVE politics. I can't and neither can any alliance with the desire to do so, put threat in the face of the 'enemy' that will break them.
Right now, there is no strategic means of bringing down the Nap group that dominates EVE. Join up, bow down to the blob or be crushed by the economic engine that backs it. In the short term, in the long term but you will fall to the machine.
You are correct about the validity of the action. If bt some strange miracle an alliance could get a massive capital fleet in to say NPC Venal, they could launch a campaign against the heart of the NAP train. Either by moving a fleet there or building it there. If someone wanted to dedicate 2 years to getting that set up? You could rewrite EVE. Who has the desire and the motivation to do that? It sure as hell isn't me. Until that happens though, you either join the NAP train or stay in High Sec with random Null sec entertainment. |
El 1974
Bendebeukers Green Rhino
62
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Posted - 2012.12.15 19:43:00 -
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Skydell wrote:EVE is not about risk. It's about strategics. A different view, but not much better.
"In EVE, a universe of unbounded opportunity awaits new capsuleers, whether they lust after wealth, crave the fight or simply yearn for adventure among the stars." Eve is a sandbox game. First of all it's a game, entertainment. You play it to enjoy yourself. Finding out what you enjoy can be part of the adventure. You can pick any carreer you like and choose any goal you like. You can lust for wealth, shoot other people in the face or just mine asteroids while you chat with your friends. There is no defined goal. No ranking. Not ingame, but also nobody even bothers to make an external ranking site for who has the biggest wallet.
Please understand the basics of this game before discussing about what is wrong with it. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
352
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Posted - 2012.12.15 19:45:00 -
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El 1974 wrote:Skydell wrote:EVE is not about risk. It's about strategics. A different view, but not much better. "In EVE, a universe of unbounded opportunity awaits new capsuleers, whether they lust after wealth, crave the fight or simply yearn for adventure among the stars." Eve is a sandbox game. First of all it's a game, entertainment. You play it to enjoy yourself. Finding out what you enjoy can be part of the adventure. You can pick any carreer you like and choose any goal you like. You can lust for wealth, shoot other people in the face or just mine asteroids while you chat with your friends. There is no defined goal. No ranking. Not ingame, but also nobody even bothers to make an external ranking site for who has the biggest wallet. Please understand the basics of this game before discussing about what is wrong with it.
You dumbed down my reply to one line. Go away goon alt. |
Nylith Empyreal
Crowbar Industries. Rebel Alliance of New Eden
192
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Posted - 2012.12.15 19:50:00 -
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I love how one section of space causes so much drama. Behold highsec's true intent.... to encourage forum pvp. "Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior. "You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here." |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1914
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Posted - 2012.12.15 19:51:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Right now, there is no strategic means of bringing down the Nap group that dominates EVE. Join up, bow down to the blob or be crushed by the economic engine that backs it. In the short term, in the long term but you will fall to the machine.
The age of coalitions sure leads to a lot of tears by people that don't want to play along. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
352
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Posted - 2012.12.15 19:56:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Skydell wrote:Right now, there is no strategic means of bringing down the Nap group that dominates EVE. Join up, bow down to the blob or be crushed by the economic engine that backs it. In the short term, in the long term but you will fall to the machine.
The age of coalitions sure leads to a lot of tears by people that don't want to play along.
I did an edit. You might not have had time to see it.
Coalitions belong in EVE. They have been around for 10 years. The blue standings mechanic is there for a reason. |
Zoctrine
Perkone Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2012.12.15 19:58:00 -
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Simple solution to all Null moaners, move to HS, leave it completely and go where it is better as you say... You would be doing the community a huge favor plus you will have what others currently have, now, go pack your stuff, HS awaits you! |
Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
176
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Posted - 2012.12.15 20:13:00 -
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WilliamMays wrote:]All those hours spent on CTAs (which are mostly more boring than anyone ever said mining is), gone, time for a clean slate, start over. And thats after finding out how you're gonna get assets moved out safely.
way to sell the null there mate.
you forgot the other null sec risks:
being someones peon. roaming for hours without finding a fight. roaming for hours and finding a massive blob. relying on other people in EvE online. getting blown up and having to find replacement parts. in null. lol. having not enough numbers in your space to defend whilst logged in and sitting ship spinning for hours. the formidable afk cloaker.
and you also forgot the other high sec risks:
having to jump 1 or 2 jumps to restock ammo and mods and ships. the pain. having acres of belts to mine in without needing to look at local once. having a huge pool of targets all looking for a fight. having a large number of other players to interact with in a fun non-trusting eve online kinda way. ignoring the **** out of afk cloakers. being able to choose when to engage.
tbh keep everything exactly as it is, those of you with hundreds of alliance mates are welcome to your null and those of us with limited playtime and a RL can keep our high. Players still under the impression that 'low sec pirate' is a career choice in eve can have their low. Nothing you could ever do or say would entice me to leave high sec under anything except my own inclination. Like most that choose my lifestyle its pretty much high sec living or not playing eve - but please do keep pushing for change im sure you will all enjoy peak logins of 20,000. qfmjt-1 |
Evei Shard
135
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Posted - 2012.12.15 20:53:00 -
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Rellik B00n wrote: relying on other people in EvE online.
I think there's a chance that this is one of the factors affecting the migration from high-sec to null.
Quote: having acres of belts to mine in without needing to look at local once.
You don't check local when in high-sec? :D Profit favors the prepared |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1413
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Posted - 2012.12.15 21:57:00 -
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WilliamMays wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Highsec is broken. im getting there, i can only write so much in one day
I find that writing it all down & leaving it on your desktop helps. It allows you to continue on it later plus edit & proof-read it before publishing. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
Harland White
Circle of Fortune
84
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Posted - 2012.12.15 22:06:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:I concur! Nullsec players should be calling for improvements to nullsec, not nerfs to hisec, and vice versa. The two are much the same. So yes, they should.
There is no problem to begin with. But when people like you continuously scream there is a problem, over and over, nonstop, people will begin thinking there's some sort of problem.
Why you and the rest of the goons/nulls/lows have such a vengeful grudge against highsec is beyond me, but I really hope you don't get your way. I hope CCP is smarter than that. |
Harland White
Circle of Fortune
84
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Posted - 2012.12.15 22:08:00 -
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Macaya wrote:Harland White wrote:Why are null and low players so FURIOUSLY DETERMINED to enforce their gamestyle on others? Force it on me, and I'll unsub, as will a huge portion of the playerbase, and then CCP will either have big layoffs which will spell out the end of EVE as you know it, or they'll move 95% of their resources into other games, which will spell out the end of EVE as you know it. Which do you prefer, Einstein?
All you whining null babies are screaming bloody murder about high sec because your rabid desire for "****ing someone's day up" is increasing, but the amount of oblivious targets wandering around out there for you to "**** up" are remaining the same. The reward of null sec is massive, 3 hours of complexes can get you 1 or 2 pilots licenses, 3 hours of L4 missions in highsec can get you a Drake.
STFU, your misinformation and ignorance is absolutely astounding. 1) Can I haz your stuff ? 2) Did you read my post...??? 3) Please bottle your tears up as CCP will take them as compensation for the lack of your isk per hour whine...
Call valid argument whining = make yourself look tough online. Win/win for you, right? Just like every other moron on most gaming forums. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
240
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Posted - 2012.12.15 22:11:00 -
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Barakach wrote:Watch Goons quickly blow up all the competition then corner the market on any manufacturing of ANY kind.
Once they have control of all manufacturing, they can control what can be purchased. A pure monopoly on everything.
With absolutely no safety net, the strong can keep getting stronger until they're the only one left.
And now you know who is behind the whole "nerf hisec" movement.
Goons don't play online games - they break themGäó EvE Forum Bingo |
Harland White
Circle of Fortune
84
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Posted - 2012.12.15 22:19:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Barakach wrote:Watch Goons quickly blow up all the competition then corner the market on any manufacturing of ANY kind.
Once they have control of all manufacturing, they can control what can be purchased. A pure monopoly on everything.
With absolutely no safety net, the strong can keep getting stronger until they're the only one left. And now you know who is behind the whole "nerf hisec" movement. Goons don't play online games - they break themGäó
This. |
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Red Teufel
Blackened Skies
112
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Posted - 2012.12.15 22:44:00 -
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pretty much the way ccp relates high/low/null is wrong. the risk v rewards is too imbalanced between high and everything else. You could keep stations the way they are. Make a tax penalty ... a good one acting as a price ceiling. then you should allow players to have their own POS that isn't taxed. for example a soft structure that can be destroyed 20-30min by a 10man gang. no reinforcement timers. hence the risk v reward. the reward for destroying these structures could net you a bill in salvage/loot. Pos towers should not exist in highsec....sorry to say especially since you cant fly capitals in highsec.
Lowsec and null need a good hard look. Timers are...boring and painful. tech moons are not balanced. ISK should be bottom up not top to bottom. |
Arcelian
House of Praetor R O G U E
0
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Posted - 2012.12.15 23:09:00 -
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You can make decent money in high sec, for very little risk, there's no denying that...but it's just that. Money. You have no control of the space you are in, you tend to make many less friends because you are only helping yourself generally, not working as a group. I lived in high sec for a long time, then recently moved to null. I can say with a certainty I will not be going back.
I'm sure there are null sec corps that treat their members like slaves, I'm not in one of them. If you don't like the corp you joined, then leave it and look elsewhere. Sure the coalition warfare does get old, with TD cranked up, broadcast, fire....but that's CCP's problem, not the players. A mechanic needs to be made to make blobs less attractive, til then, blob warfare rules supreme.
Getting off the topic here, but what I'm trying to say is there's more to living in null than just the money (which I make a lot more of here than in high sec), it can be the most rewarding type of play for many other reasons besides just isk.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
495
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Posted - 2012.12.15 23:48:00 -
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High sec people, you don't get it.
The war is over. We lost.
It makes no difference how much we scream on the forums, the decision-makers at CCP have made their choices on what will be done to high sec.
Look at the people CCP have hired in the last 2 -3 years. Look at their in-game backgrounds. Look at what has happened to high sec income in the last year. Look at the NEW feedback thread about the AI (the thread that came out 2 days ago). You think that mission running income got hammered with Retribution? You ain't see nothin' yet baby. Look at all the war drums beating about the new target: high sec industry. Do some research on what the lead designer said about high sec industry about 8 months ago. Yeah, the ex-goon guy.
I am certain that all the null sec propagandists will scream "tin foil / rumour mongering / troll / personal attack" and try to get me banned, again. And they will likely succeed, given how the ISD and certain CCP employees' actions have shown their allegiances.
But it is irrelevant, since null sec has already won the war, and we who are still fighting, are like people bailing the Titanic with a kid's sand bucket.
The only hope the majority of the players have, that being high sec players, is that somehow when the inevitable sub drop hits, that CCP will still have the sense, money, and time, to turn this around. I have many billions stashed away from my null sec days, and plan on playing Skill Queue Online for awhile, with my last remaining account. All the others I shut down in the summer when Soundwave declared war on datacores. BTW, that worked out really well, huh? How many fixes have been introduced to FW to fix the mess CCP made with the summer release?
The most honourable thing would be to just unsub this last account, and watch from afar as Eve burns. But I figure I ground all those billions, albeit ridiculously easily in null sec, no way I am going to give that away or let it rot. |
WilliamMays
Stuffs Inc.
29
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Posted - 2012.12.16 00:03:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Do you want some purple shoulders for killing some ships next?
No, I want carebears in low and null to be more enticed to continue bearing when baddies show up. Give them more reason, and make it viable to call up reinforcements. MOAR FIGHTS Currently, baddies in local, safe up, wait it out, go back to safely and quietly bearing when they leave.
Carton Mantory wrote:Ideas that should be implemented:
No high sec stations should have any lab facilities.
No high sec stations should have manufacturing facilities.
No high sec stations can refine ICE.
All empire(low sec/high sec) space should be FW.
Only FW players can refine ICE in low sec others refine in a POS.
Ships that are cruiser tech 1 and lower can be flown in a NPC corp.
POS fuel is reduced in low sec for FW pilot/corp if you control the system.
Corp recruitment should have an advance Alliance/Corp selection. You can pay to place your alliance at the top of the list.
There should be commission tracking per advertisement form recruitment from ingame tool.
Low sec asteroid fields are upgraded by 1 sec status. so .1 system would have morphite containing ores in them.
Killing hi sec industry is not the answer. Tax it, slow it down, reduce ore yields in the 1.0 and 0.9 sytems.
Remove high sec? No, there are different play styles, there are those who will never leave high sec. There are plenty of fun things to do in high sec, which should remain fun.
I do agree that there should be gaps between the empires with seperate currencies, its just logical; this would create more varied economies and trade opportunities.
TharOkha wrote:The "risk" of low/null you pointing at is player driven.
Yes, the risk is player driven. I want reasons to dive further into that risk, creating more player driven content, as opposed to running to safe spots when the risk presents itself.
Gillia Winddancer wrote:Increasing reward suggestion once again....sigh. Increasing rewards will NOT change the risk factor which people deem to be too high.
I'm not neccessarily saying the overall income needs to be increased. I want people bearing to see 3-5 hostiles in local and think "I cant stop now, or I lose this" such as the plex disappearing, or a large, short term boost in mining that just randomly started. We need a reason to keep our ship in the hostiles crosshairs, and get on the batphone for help to chase them away.
Rellik B00n wrote:way to sell the null there mate.
you forgot the other null sec risks......
Selling null? I'm no salesman. Anyone who tries to tell you that structure bashing/repping is fun, is certainly trying to sell you something; likely something that you do not want to buy.
I included many of those risks in my list, just worded differently |
WilliamMays
Stuffs Inc.
29
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Posted - 2012.12.16 00:03:00 -
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Red Teufel wrote:pretty much the way ccp relates high/low/null is wrong. the risk v rewards is too imbalanced between high and everything else. You could keep stations the way they are. Make a tax penalty ... a good one acting as a price ceiling. then you should allow players to have their own POS that isn't taxed. for example a soft structure that can be destroyed 20-30min by a 10man gang. no reinforcement timers. hence the risk v reward. the reward for destroying these structures could net you a bill in salvage/loot. Pos towers should not exist in highsec....sorry to say especially since you cant fly capitals in highsec.
Lowsec and null need a good hard look. Timers are...boring and painful. tech moons are not balanced. ISK should be bottom up not top to bottom.
Now we're getting somewhere...
Arcelian wrote: You can make decent money in high sec, for very little risk, there's no denying that...but it's just that. Money.....
Well said, and I agree, a big part of the rewards of null are the accomplishment feeling. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1921
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Posted - 2012.12.16 00:45:00 -
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WilliamMays wrote:Selling null? I'm no salesman. Anyone who tries to tell you that structure bashing/repping is fun, is certainly trying to sell you something; likely something that you do not want to buy. I wouldn't be so sure of that, unless you're tried Boat (tm) structure bashing, you haven't lived.
Or so we tell the newbies. "I was there !" Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Balthisus Filtch
RISE Inc.
23
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Posted - 2012.12.16 05:41:00 -
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Here's the problem with your risk/reward equation:
- Null has MASSIVE reward, it's called moon goo - Your problem is that it's top down, meaning you can't get your hands on the MASSIVE reward unless your alliance leaders decide to trickle something down to you
What you really need is bottoms up Null income replacing moongo. Then there would be incentive for individual players to populate (and fly around) Null.
Instead your seeking to nerf Hi-Sec. FAIL.
Null = all risky, Empire = all safe is just a plain lie. The truth is far more subtle.
- An average day Null has very little risk. You only have to play with your map setting for a couple of minutes to see that for yourself. - Empire is only a safe place to be if you are a new player piloting cheap ships. Start piloting shiney ships or hauling significant cargo and you will be an attractive gank and safe nowhere. - And Empire being safe for new players is EXACTLY how the game mechanic should work, or the game would DIE. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
2294
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Posted - 2012.12.16 05:47:00 -
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See my signature.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Gal'o Sengen
State War Academy Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2012.12.16 05:56:00 -
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Low sec will never attract carebears if the only thing you look at is risk vs reward. In fact, looking at it like that entirely misses the problem. The problem is the perception of Highsec being safe. Change that and suddenly, Low Sec is more attractive. How?
All systems on Mouse-over in the map show a counter for Illegal aggression resulting in Concord intervention in the last 30 days, at all times.
Concord gives a system-wide notification when they Concordokken someone, instead of the current Grid-wide one.
Quote:[player]! You have engaged in an illegal act of aggression, your [ship] has been destroyed, as per interstellar law, all relevant [evidence] shall be made publicly available Player name, Ship type (showing fitting) are clickable, and "Evidence" shows a small Battle report detailing the engagement (a Kill report, but not requiring an actual kill, basically,) that provoked Concord.
Technically, this sort of makes High Sec safer. You can see the Suicide Gankers in system and dock up? That's perfect. Suddenly, the people running Missions "Alone" in densely populated High Sec systems feel so much less alone. They're watching local, docking when threats are present, every few minutes they're reminded that people are actively engaging in PvP regardless of the Sec Status of the Space. They see those pimp Tengu's being ganked by Tornado's in person, rather than vague warnings that it could happen to someone else. When they see known Gankers in system, or their corp, they dock up, just like they would in Low.
Rather than change the relative balance of space, simply make it more obvious that High Sec is vastly more dangerous than they think. Make people know, shove it in their face, tell them in plain terms that High Sec is not safe, and suddenly Low becomes a lot more attractive.
You make changes after people are given enough information to form a legitimate opinion. |
foxnod
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
58
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Posted - 2012.12.16 06:13:00 -
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Balthisus Filtch wrote:Here's the problem with your risk/reward equation:
- Null has MASSIVE reward, it's called moon goo - Your problem is that it's top down, meaning you can't get your hands on the MASSIVE reward unless your alliance leaders decide to trickle something down to you
What you really need is bottoms up Null income replacing moongo. Then there would be incentive for individual players to populate (and fly around) Null.
Instead your seeking to nerf Hi-Sec. FAIL.
Null = all risky, Empire = all safe is just a plain lie. The truth is far more subtle.
- An average day Null has very little risk. You only have to play with your map setting for a couple of minutes to see that for yourself. - Empire is only a safe place to be if you are a new player piloting cheap ships. Start piloting shiney ships or hauling significant cargo and you will be an attractive gank and safe nowhere. - And Empire being safe for new players is EXACTLY how the game mechanic should work, or the game would DIE.
You've ignored the fact that the only way to boost nullsec income for industry is to nerf highsec. You can't buff beyond a 100% refine rate. No matter the buff for indi in null, highsec is going to have to take a swing from the mallet of balance for the system to work. |
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