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Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
30
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:17:00 -
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Test Server...nuff said Oderint Dum Metuant |
Luke Visteen
Apostasy Prime
117
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:19:00 -
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I don't always do. But when I do - I do. |
baltec1
Bat Country
3321
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:28:00 -
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Ocih wrote:
No, you are getting kills. The kind I mentioned before you hacked up my reply in your misquote. Industrial and PvE kills. You would continue to get those with an Arena because I can't haul trit through an Arena or grind ISK in an arena. Give it up, PvP is dead in this game.
PVP
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Nevermind the thousands of ships that get blown up doing it every single day... |
Oberine Noriepa
1058
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:31:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:It already exists, it is called the test sever. Go there. Pretty much. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1422
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:40:00 -
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Ocih wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ocih wrote:
You do realize it's dead in EVE too?
Its so dead that the CFC has a dosen fleets up at any one time all getting fights. No, you are getting kills. The kind I mentioned before you hacked up my reply in your misquote. Industrial and PvE kills. You would continue to get those with an Arena because I can't haul trit through an Arena or grind ISK in an arena. Give it up, PvP is dead in this game.
Tell us more about PvP being dead in a PvP-centric game. A short, 500-word essay should cover it. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
349
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:48:00 -
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How the **** do you remove a signature? |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1475
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Posted - 2012.12.17 02:04:00 -
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Ocih wrote:baltec1 wrote:Every time an arena is added to an MMO all the other pvp dies. You do realize it's dead in EVE too? An Arena wouldn't stop the T1 Industrial farming at low sec bottlenecks or PvE fit kill mails in anoms. Outside of those and random roaming kills, there is no PvP in EVE. L O L -áObjects in mirror aren't as red as they appear. |
ACE McFACE
The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate
904
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Posted - 2012.12.17 02:06:00 -
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Ocih wrote:It's a good idea. Don't let the dedicate griefer entitlement gang tell you otherwise. There's a difference between going "NO NO NO CHANGE IS BAD" and saying "no" to a terrible idea. "No one drove in New York, there was too much traffic." |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
2697
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Posted - 2012.12.17 02:06:00 -
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The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.
I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
725
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Posted - 2012.12.17 02:06:00 -
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Arenas could be done in such a way as to not adversely affect risk pvp.
First, don't televise the action. Instead make a mechanism to televise real pvp.
Second, zero rewards mechanisms.
Third, allow cheating.
Fourth, make it cost.
Fifth, make it P2W where pants and monocles reign supreme.
Sixth, only allow 1v1 or 10v1 since that's more of the routine in Eve. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
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Romvex
206
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Posted - 2012.12.17 02:23:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.
I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run. God has spoken. Thread closed. Post with your main |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
358
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Posted - 2012.12.17 02:34:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ocih wrote:
No, you are getting kills. The kind I mentioned before you hacked up my reply in your misquote. Industrial and PvE kills. You would continue to get those with an Arena because I can't haul trit through an Arena or grind ISK in an arena. Give it up, PvP is dead in this game.
PVPisdeadNevermind the thousands of ships that get blown up doing it every single day...
And those few and far between training ops.. I mean battles can still happen with an arena. Keep the spin cycle going though Baltec. CCP chimed in and they see Arena additions as just that too. Additions. Things you can't control. I know, the atrocity of it all. |
MadMuppet
A Better Corp Name
659
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Posted - 2012.12.17 02:38:00 -
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The idea of a block of space that players can use that is immune from other players interacting with for their own benefit just doesn't seem very 'EVE' to me. In addition, there should be zero content available from doing it (no shield items, no BPs, no isk, no ships, etc) that is not player supplied or created. Such a system, with a leaderboard and official standings, will be exploited, pointless, and not worth the DEV's time to code. November 6th, 2012 "With this in mind, it becomes quite obvious to focus on training the Destroyers and Battlecruisers skills before the change to get the maximum return effect. We highly recommend you start doing so now." --á CCP Ytterbium from:-áhttp://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73530 |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
358
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Posted - 2012.12.17 02:47:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:The idea of a block of space that players can use that is immune from other players interacting with for their own benefit just doesn't seem very 'EVE' to me. In addition, there should be zero content available from doing it (no shield items, no BPs, no isk, no ships, etc) that is not player supplied or created. Such a system, with a leaderboard and official standings, will be exploited, pointless, and not worth the DEV's time to code.
"Not very EVE".
You mean that Sand box game that has a variety of things to do?
Or the Blob and grind, blow stuff uppy game where you spin ships 90% of the time?
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fukier
RISE of LEGION
287
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Posted - 2012.12.17 02:47:00 -
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The only way this would work is scrap the arena and replace with enhanced pvp contract system... At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2138
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Posted - 2012.12.17 02:55:00 -
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Ocih wrote:"Not very EVE".
You mean that Sand box game that has a variety of things to do?
Or the Blob and grind, blow stuff uppy game where you spin ships 90% of the time?
That sandbox game that doesn't have player conflict, market trends, or rigid tactics or mechanics rigidly controlled by the game developers. The sandbox game that, instead of having a Horde and an Alliance, allows players to form their own factions, express their own ideas, and follow their own goals. The sandbox game that, instead of giving you solutions to being bored, gives you tools to make your own solutions to being bored.
That sandbox game that does not need a central organized "arena" or dry, limited, and sharded PvP, but may need tools to help players better implement systems in which they can run tournaments/betting.
Now that "limited engagement" is a concept present in Eve, allowing for "gentleman's duel" contracts with public verified details of outcome is only one step away, and would be a massive step towards enabling players to organize their own tournaments. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient Electus Matari
228
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Posted - 2012.12.17 03:07:00 -
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Arenas could be done as a separate game - FtP, no sandbox, with matchmaking. skills/ships/fittings acquired/lost as per Dust 514. What is the point if every race has an Jam/Damp/Disruptor/ ship etc? Not every race has to be a fluffy little mirror of each other, it's seriously not needed. Things like Gallente having the only drone BS and Caldari having the only ECM BS are incredibly cool distinctions that only add to EVE in both game play value and flavour. |
Kanta Kansene
Agentes in rebus Relativity Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.12.17 03:11:00 -
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Two ships enter, one will leave! We'll sell you the whole seat, but you'll only need the edge! Sunday, Sunday, Sunday! I think an environment that promotes 1vs1 pvp without interference would be pretty nifty. Make the interior of the arena a separate "system" from the exterior to remove OGB and have some sort of interface to choose the format (1v1, 2vs2, etc...asteroid field, station wreckage, drone hive...)
Not promoting any rewards beyond bragging rights, mind you, this is solely for the spirit I believe was intended by the OP...entertainment for the people doing the PVP, no outside interference, and some way to televise the events to those screens out in space and to the CQ |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
2248
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Posted - 2012.12.17 03:19:00 -
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Lord Wiggin wrote:Outside of an Arena, there is no way to ensure a 1 vs 1.
If you and your duelling partner are the only two people in local, you can guarantee 1v1.
If you and your partner are in the same corporation, you can guarantee 1v1.
Thus your principle claim is easily falsified. Your argument has no merit.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Bluetippedflyer
Mafia Redux
29
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Posted - 2012.12.17 03:21:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
763
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Posted - 2012.12.17 03:31:00 -
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People forget, arenas in other games aren't part of the actual game world.
There would be nothing wrong with it in EVE, done EVE style.
A couple designated systems, NPC's tied to directing the mechanids.
You would sign up, and be required to be there.
People would be losing ships.
Don't think WoW arenas.
Think Jita, but everyone is watching people blow each other up, in the EVE equivilant of a boxing match. Everything in the system would be there to support structured matches between capsuleers.
Lineage 2 had stuff like this. It was actually nice, because it was taking place in the world; you could see it happening. It was nothing like arenas in WoW, Rift, or EQ2.
And they said they've talked about this internally at the last CSM thingy, if I recall. |
Orzo Torasson
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
83
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Posted - 2012.12.17 03:36:00 -
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EVE already has an arena like this and it's quite hard for people to find. The easy way to tell if you have stumbled across it is to look at the top left corner of your screen, there will be a number there. If it's 0.4 or lower, congratulations! You've found it.
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Mars Theran
Pod Kings
510
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Posted - 2012.12.17 04:02:00 -
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Lord Wiggin wrote:Put Arenas in the major hubs, allow players to arrange matches. Televise the match's in local and perhaps in CQ's. (I want my remote CCP) Set up a betting system, with the house taking a cut. Part of the house cut goes to Isk prizes for the winner, based on a percentage of the take, so that the betting interest in the match directly affects the payout. Isk sink....
I was never in favor of Arenas, I felt they would be game breaking, but after watching people attempt to manipulate the suspect system to get 1 vs 1 day after day, maybe it's time. Outside of an Arena, there is no way to ensure a 1 vs 1. This solves the issue, provides passive entertainment for the couch potato/ship spinner types, as well as an isk sink. With the number of gambling sites run by players, isn't it time CCP got in on the action?
I find it ironic that you suggest the ones that don't sit at their desks playing in space constantly are couch potatoes.
..but regardless, I'm not sure I like this. There's a middlesec thread around here where I posted something similar though. No 1.0 or 0.9, or whatever arenas though; just a limited engagement flagging system for lower security level highsec.
edit: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2333031#post2333031 zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Mars Theran
Pod Kings
510
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Posted - 2012.12.17 04:11:00 -
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Orzo Torasson wrote:EVE already has an arena like this and it's quite hard for people to find. The easy way to tell if you have stumbled across it is to look at the top left corner of your screen, there will be a number there. If it's 0.4 or lower, congratulations! You've found it.
No, it's not, and you're mistaken.
0.4 and lower is for cap blobbing and fleets, not for 1 v 1, though if you can find a quiet spot you might have the opportunity for it.. but then, if you're getting someone to go have a scrap with and flying out to the nearest lowsec, it kind of ruins the flavor I imagine.
Highsec had station games yes, but since Crimewatch 2.0 those are obsolete with suspect flags for opening cans and no way to otherwise create a limited engagement that is truly limited. That's a pretty big chunk of player interest, (whatever its value), chucked out the window with that change.
Dodixie, Rens, Aunia, and other places all had some degree of 1v1 until that happened. Even Jita did, though more often it was cheating and finding ways to avoid risk on the part of a number of those interested. Still, it was something thy did. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Erika Bronz
Nidaros Fritidsforening
2
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Posted - 2012.12.17 04:58:00 -
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Arena: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Arena
Closest medic (1 jump, h-sec): http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/Serad |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1966
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Posted - 2012.12.17 05:14:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.
I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run.
I think it would be grand, though draw much ire of the purists, if there was a simulation mode in the stations. That is, "a simulator within a simulator" if you look at the game as a simulator.
This would certainly get accused of being "no loss PVP", and there is a test server for this purpose, but it would be a nice feature to be able to enter a combat simulation mode with other players to test out a fit without having to port to the test server.
I don't imagine the overhead would be easy. Just one of those "gee, wouldn't it be nice" sort of things. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
2307
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Posted - 2012.12.17 05:24:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.
I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run. You do realize if the griefers in this game can't interfere with these thing if players are running them they will need rage so hard.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1428
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Posted - 2012.12.17 05:27:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.
I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run. You do realize if the griefers in this game can't interfere with these thing if players are running them they will need rage so hard.
Griefing is a bannable offence. If it won't get you banned then it's not griefing. Also, what is 'need rage'? It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1966
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Posted - 2012.12.17 05:34:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve.
I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run. You do realize if the griefers in this game can't interfere with these thing if players are running them they will need rage so hard. Griefing is a bannable offence. If it won't get you banned then it's not griefing. Also, what is 'need rage'?
Probably meant "nerd rage".
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Maelle LuzArdiden
University of Caille Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.12.17 05:42:00 -
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Nobody cares about arenas or watching meaningless spaceship combat sports.
Focus on increasing and improving gameplay objectives for small and medium sized organisations, things to have real fights over. |
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