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Kalishka Ulsguld
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:08:00 -
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New citizen here and so far I am really enjoying New Eden. I have been poking a little more around the forums and found some very interesting articles regarding Bounties (reasoning both for and against). So I decided to throw my clones hat into the ring.
Recently I manufactured a line of autocannons and began selling them in Minmatar space. I'm sure you'll agree, a good place to sell autocannons.
Anyway I found that after a few hours, my sales dried up. Confused, I took a peek at the stations prices. I was undercut by a single Isk per unit!!! Naturally, I snipped in at an Isk shorter than my autocannon rival, only to find two hours later, he slashed me again!
Once more, and only once more did I undercut, watching the boards to see if anything should happen. This time, I risked it by 20 Isk. He laughed at my attempt to fatten my wallet and usurped my plundering prices. So, I decided to take action. I purchased one of his (inferior ) autocannons and looked up the seller. I placed a 500k (I'm new) Bounty on his head and send him a (polite) personal message stating that if he undercut me again at that station, I would increase the Bounty.
less than 48 hours later, I received a notification. My eyes lit up, as did my smile when it read that my Bounty had been dealt with!
In short, Bounties arn't just for pirates and thieves. By all means, those who harmed you deserve every Isk of their Bounties. However. they also make a wonderful intensive for others to wipe out ones own market competition. In this case, that person hurt my profit, I paid someone else to hurt him. Of course, my profit margin is a little lighter than initially planned, but I see it as a long term investment. I now have one less competitor at that station when it comes to pricing.
Underhanded, of course. Unlawful, not at all. We can still kill off competition and remain law abiding citizens. I'm sure my target stuck rigidly to the law, but that was not what I had against him |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1422
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:11:00 -
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My bounty isn't high enough. Add more. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
Ginger Barbarella
Estel Arador Corp Services
336
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:14:00 -
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This whole post is just ten kinds of sad. Undercut by 20 freakin' isk? Emailed a threat? Posted 500k bounty?
Go back to Hello Kitty. Fly Minmatar Air --- "Trust in the Rust!" |
Kalishka Ulsguld
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:15:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:This whole post is just ten kinds of sad. Undercut by 20 freakin' isk? Emailed a threat? Posted 500k bounty?
Go back to Hello Kitty.
It worked |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1778
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:21:00 -
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so someone undercut you by 1 isk per unit and you spend 500m to make a point?
competition is the least of your worries you should invest in an accountant
"You were the chosen one Anakin, you were supposed to bring order to the galaxy, not destroy it!" -Obi Wan (Ben) Kenobi -á |
Kalishka Ulsguld
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:22:00 -
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Morganta wrote:so someone undercut you by 1 isk per unit and you spend 500m to make a point?
competition is the least of your worries you should invest in an accountant
Lol 500k, not 500m!!!!! I would certainly need my head examined if that was the case |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1778
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:25:00 -
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Kalishka Ulsguld wrote:Morganta wrote:so someone undercut you by 1 isk per unit and you spend 500m to make a point?
competition is the least of your worries you should invest in an accountant
Lol 500k, not 500m!!!!! I would certainly need my head examined if that was the case
even 500k.. point being you spent more than you were losing
how much product do you need to sell now to make up for that? and the guy will still undercut you BTW
"You were the chosen one Anakin, you were supposed to bring order to the galaxy, not destroy it!" -Obi Wan (Ben) Kenobi -á |
Kalishka Ulsguld
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:29:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Kalishka Ulsguld wrote:Morganta wrote:so someone undercut you by 1 isk per unit and you spend 500m to make a point?
competition is the least of your worries you should invest in an accountant
Lol 500k, not 500m!!!!! I would certainly need my head examined if that was the case even 500k.. point being you spent more than you were losing how much product do you need to sell now to make up for that? and the guy will still undercut you BTW
Already bounced back. I was selling in a station where the prices were high (much higher than a few jumps away). I started selling at 20k a pop, reduced it to a little lower now but seeing as I had 300 to begin with, my balance is still good
Edit: Maths aside, the point of this thread was laying out (in my view, at least) why Bounties can be useful against lawful citizens. Not reserved for the criminals lurking in the shadows |
Aziesta
Sathainn Braithrean Cartel Apocalypse Now.
214
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:38:00 -
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With all due respect, what you experienced was a coincidence. Bounties, especially something as little as yours, do not motivate people to kill other people. It's not like someone says "oh, hey, you don't have a bounty, we'll let you through our gate camp." Generally, the bounty is just an added tip for a kill, not the reason it happened.
Not saying it's not satisfying to see the notification when someone you dislike gets killed, it totally is. But chances are they would have died whether you'd put 500k, 500 mil, or nothing on their head. |
Etherealclam
Imperial Combat Engineers Empire of Arcadia
0
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:59:00 -
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Aziesta wrote:With all due respect, what you experienced was a coincidence. Bounties, especially something as little as yours, do not motivate people to kill other people. It's not like someone says "oh, hey, you don't have a bounty, we'll let you through our gate camp." Generally, the bounty is just an added tip for a kill, not the reason it happened.
Not saying it's not satisfying to see the notification when someone you dislike gets killed, it totally is. But chances are they would have died whether you'd put 500k, 500 mil, or nothing on their head.
This. No one cares about a 500k bounty. NO ONE. |
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
511
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Posted - 2012.12.17 02:13:00 -
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OP - Don't worry about those that want to you to think bounties don't work.
For all you know one of the posters could have been your competition. And besides if you had fun then priceless EVERYBODY KNOWS |
Merouk Baas
98
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Posted - 2012.12.17 03:19:00 -
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Well, if the guy was a trader and he died (bounty or not), then he probably died to a suicide attack and lost a cargo full of trade goods, which would make it a pretty bad loss for him, which should make you giddy with glee, as that actually hurts. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1781
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Posted - 2012.12.17 03:23:00 -
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Merouk Baas wrote:Well, if the guy was a trader and he died (bounty or not), then he probably died to a suicide attack and lost a cargo full of trade goods, which would make it a pretty bad loss for him, which should make you giddy with glee, as that actually hurts.
so now you can pay to get a fake sense of satisfaction when someone gets killed even though your part had absolutely nothing to do with his death?
welp.. it is the video game generation after all...
"You were the chosen one Anakin, you were supposed to bring order to the galaxy, not destroy it!" -Obi Wan (Ben) Kenobi -á |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3933
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Posted - 2012.12.17 08:03:00 -
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Nice story.
However, imo the Bounty system is flawed, able to be easily exploited by griefers just for spite.
DMC |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1428
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Posted - 2012.12.17 08:09:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Nice story.
However, imo the Bounty system is flawed, able to be easily exploited by griefers just for spite.
DMC
Griefing is a bannable offence. If you have proof of someone griefing, you should report them. If they don't get banned then it's not griefing.
It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
Torakenat
Space Cowboys United The Irukandji
0
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Posted - 2012.12.17 08:27:00 -
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This is why I love eve :D
It doesn't matter if the killmail was intended for the bounty or not...or even if the bounty worked to curtail the competition.
The fact of the matter is, someone had an issue and resolved it with the bounty office.
The reasons before are no different than before other than its easier and transactions are more secure than before the bounty system.
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Dave stark
817
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Posted - 2012.12.17 08:39:00 -
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i like the new bounty system, it let me bounty some one who had terrible song lyrics in their bio. when i pointed this out other people agreed with me.
long live the new bounty system. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Kalishka Ulsguld
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.12.17 10:53:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:OP - Don't worry about those that want to you to think bounties don't work. For all you know one of the posters could have been your competition. And besides if you had fun then priceless
Merouk Baas wrote:Well, if the guy was a trader and he died (bounty or not), then he probably died to a suicide attack and lost a cargo full of trade goods, which would make it a pretty bad loss for him, which should make you giddy with glee, as that actually hurts.
Pretty much this |
Pretty GuyYeah
47
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Posted - 2012.12.17 10:57:00 -
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Etherealclam wrote:Aziesta wrote:With all due respect, what you experienced was a coincidence. Bounties, especially something as little as yours, do not motivate people to kill other people. It's not like someone says "oh, hey, you don't have a bounty, we'll let you through our gate camp." Generally, the bounty is just an added tip for a kill, not the reason it happened.
Not saying it's not satisfying to see the notification when someone you dislike gets killed, it totally is. But chances are they would have died whether you'd put 500k, 500 mil, or nothing on their head. This. No one cares about a 500k bounty. NO ONE.
Wrong. People will hunt you even for 100k. Post with your main.
A legend walks among us, a genius so significant he so dares to degrade himself as camouflage when you dispute. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10699
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Posted - 2012.12.17 10:57:00 -
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OP: It may have largely been a coincidence, but it was the right thing to do in spirit. Good job!
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Nice story.
However, imo the Bounty system is flawed, able to be easily exploited by griefers just for spite. How is it being exploited? What kind of griefing are you talking about, and why aren't you reporting it (since griefing is a bannable offence around here)?
Ginger Barbarella wrote:This whole post is just ten kinds of sad. Undercut by 20 freakin' isk? Emailed a threat? Posted 500k bounty? Welcome to the world of cut-throat competition. GB2HK if you don't like it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
215
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Posted - 2012.12.17 11:21:00 -
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Kalishka Ulsguld wrote: less than 48 hours later, I received a notification. My eyes lit up, as did my smile when it read that my Bounty had been dealt with!
I would suggest going over to www.battleclinic.com and look your target up.
Chances are your eyes will lighten up even more when you find the lossmail (and its value).... and don-¦t forget to send his killers a thank-you note.
Edit: And make sure to inform us jaded forum warriors! Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
4052
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Posted - 2012.12.17 11:33:00 -
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OP don't listen to the haters in here! I like your post and I think it's great you felt you got your revenge on that person because you placed bounty on him! Hifives! Gÿà EVE User Interface Programmer Gÿà GÖÑ Team Super Friends GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis My Dev Blogs |
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Bastet Aiona
Tir Capital Management Group The Mockers AO
4
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Posted - 2012.12.17 11:49:00 -
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I found the bounty system entertaining recently for similar purposes.
We run a low sec Trade Hub and recently with the economic speculation on the Jita market we have had QUITE a few brave haulers try and run in and get some goods from the market. The Locals are pretty aggressive and have caught a few of them unfortunately, yet others have been able to escape.
Now, while the idea that someone buying ALL my "slightly" marked up stuff sounds like a great idea, the reality is it just means we're losing money on repurchasing/remanufacturing time while we could have appropriately marked up our goods.
A couple people have been repeat, erm, offenders. And after a name appeared a couple times, I put down a 40M ISK bounty on him. I have yet to see the bounty collected, but the calcaultion was based on encouraging a few Jita gankers to take a risk at popping the Prorator he flies for a little economic justice.
I have yet to receive a confirmation of collection, but I'm sure he'll think twice about poaching cheap goods from low sec markets.
BTW, 40M ISK is petty cash for me, so don't bother with the affordability arguments.
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Kalishka Ulsguld
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.12.17 11:56:00 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Kalishka Ulsguld wrote: less than 48 hours later, I received a notification. My eyes lit up, as did my smile when it read that my Bounty had been dealt with!
I would suggest going over to www.battleclinic.com and look your target up. Chances are your eyes will lighten up even more when you find the lossmail (and its value).... and don-¦t forget to send his killers a thank-you note. Edit: And make sure to inform us jaded forum warriors!
I intend to give this unsung hero a muffin basket
CCP Punkturis wrote:OP don't listen to the haters in here! I like your post and I think it's great you felt you got your revenge on that person because you placed bounty on him! Hifives!
I'm glad you enjoyed it, I enjoyed it too. I just wanted to highlight a legitimate reason why lawful people can have Bounties placed on them. I'm glad it's met with approval |
Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2074
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Posted - 2012.12.17 12:02:00 -
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Dear Op.
If you enjoyed what you did and it's consequences, then it was a win. No argument can change that. ^_^ Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5502
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Posted - 2012.12.17 13:02:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:This whole post is just ten kinds of sad. Undercut by 20 freakin' isk? Emailed a threat? Posted 500k bounty?
Go back to Hello Kitty.
Said the NPC corp hero. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
26
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Posted - 2012.12.17 13:22:00 -
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Good job OP, sounds like you are using the bounty system as it is intended. The kill probably was a coincidence, as 500k isn't much motivation, any ganker is likely to lose more than that to CONCORD getting the kill. It is the spirit of the thing that counts, though.
And griefing, people? Really? I'm not saying that there aren't some creative individuals in this game, but I have yet to hear of a situation in which bounties have been used for griefing. No, placing random bounties on people is not griefing, as it does not affect the recipient in any way other than that they get a notification in their box.
Btw I need more bounty for this character. Everybody who reads this put a bounty on me, or I'll be forced to put a bounty on you. Join the Revolutionary Front and liberate New Eden from it's stuff.
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Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin
169
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Posted - 2012.12.17 13:25:00 -
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Dear OP.
You are actually winning EVE right now, keep at it because after a year or two you'll miss the feeling of accomplishment you had in the early days.
Your sincerely,
A terribad FW pilot with delusions of something or other. |
Kalishka Ulsguld
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.12.17 16:04:00 -
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Bastet Aiona wrote: I found the bounty system entertaining recently for similar purposes.
We run a low sec Trade Hub and recently with the economic speculation on the Jita market we have had QUITE a few brave haulers try and run in and get some goods from the market. The Locals are pretty aggressive and have caught a few of them unfortunately, yet others have been able to escape.
Now, while the idea that someone buying ALL my "slightly" marked up stuff sounds like a great idea, the reality is it just means we're losing money on repurchasing/remanufacturing time while we could have appropriately marked up our goods.
A couple people have been repeat, erm, offenders. And after a name appeared a couple times, I put down a 40M ISK bounty on him. I have yet to see the bounty collected, but the calcaultion was based on encouraging a few Jita gankers to take a risk at popping the Prorator he flies for a little economic justice.
I have yet to receive a confirmation of collection, but I'm sure he'll think twice about poaching cheap goods from low sec markets.
BTW, 40M ISK is petty cash for me, so don't bother with the affordability arguments.
Great minds think alike. It's not the price of the ink that counts, rather the message that's sent |
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