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Xolve
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.04.24 14:08:00 -
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iPod Nubz wrote: should he light cyno and have nothing pointed and youstill get caught (light cyno - open bridge - jump through bridge - load grid - start targeting ... it takes quite some time), then proceed to uninstall eve or seek a different activity because you're bad at PVP amd honestly don't see it.
It's almost as if that big sparkley thing gets lit, and all of a sudden this alien WOOSHING sounds starts going off, you should probably heed all of that as a warning; and either, dock up, run the **** away (ships with active cynos can't exactly chase you), or embrace your stupidity and die like a man.
99% of the time a simple killboard check will save you ships and embarrassment. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
369
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Posted - 2013.04.24 14:52:00 -
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OMG he won't play my way!!!!! OMG you won't play my way either!!!!! OMG your so lame because you can't afford a Titan!!!!
That sums up this thread. 1 v 1 in destroyers anyone? derp? |
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
254
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Posted - 2013.04.24 15:21:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:That sums up this thread. 1 v 1 in destroyers anyone?
If I can bring all three of my booster alts and a tear bucket :)
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Auduin Samson
Do not disturb Sanctuary Pact
29
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Posted - 2013.04.24 15:56:00 -
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Dragnarok wrote:As things stand right now, corporations that own Titans have a huge field advantage over smaller corporations.
A thousand-member corporation with the monetary and logistical prowess to field multi-billion isk ships has a significant advantage over a small-time group of friends roaming lowsec in cruisers? Preposterous! |
iPod Nubz
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.26 02:29:00 -
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i'm inclined to leave 3 falcon alts in OP's system and just **** **** with their camps. not even killing them, just making sure every potential target makes it through that gate.
griefing....ahhhh....embrace it.
maybe we'll see a thread how ecm boats and drones shall be exiled to 0.0 as well. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
882
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Posted - 2013.04.26 09:25:00 -
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sell ten booster alts and their t3s when OGB get changed to on grid
buy titan
bridge profit! http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg
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Phelan Kheldian
Fallen Supremacy
6
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Posted - 2013.04.29 04:37:00 -
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Okay, I don't have a problem with a ship having some sort of indication that it has a cyno on it. But as for putting a limit on it, I have to disagree. This is a sandbox game; and the more limits put into the game, the less of a sandbox it will become. And I came to Eve because its a sandbox.
Now, the concept of not allowing titans in low sec because they can't be built there has been brought up. Specifically, the idea that no Empire would allow them to come into their territory. Well, low sec isn't exactly their territory. Its territory like the Old West was to the United States. Sure, the US claimed it, but what the US government said didn't have a whole lot of bearing on the lives of the people in the Old West. That's why the 4 empires have 'hired' corps (Faction Warfare) to fight for them. They need hired guns. Now, producing a titan is a large project and something that could be seen without a lot of trouble. That's why they can't be built in low sec (in terms of lore).
However, just because you can't build it (or sell it) doesn't mean you can't possess one in low sec. In many places in the United States of America, the production of 'adult entertainment videos' is illegal; however, you can still buy them and own them personally. There are even places in the United States, its illegal to sell them; but, you can own them. Also happens with adult entertainment toys, too; I guess politicians in some states are afraid that their girlfriend/wife/mistress is going to replace them with a piece of latex plastic. My point is... ownership and production of products are different. So quit the lore arguments...
As for the 'unfairness' of it, this is Eve. One of the things that attracts people to Eve is how smarter players who take advantage of an advantage get rewarded for it. You like to gate-camp; some people might not consider that 'real' PvP. You do, and that's okay. However, it seems you have an issue with people ambushing you just like you ambush others. Sure, someone could send a scout ahead to watch out for gate camps; but, I don't own an alt account or even an alt. That's my choice; but, I don't complain when I fly into a gatecamp and get stomped for it. I suck it up... acknowledge this is Eve and go about my day.
As I pointed out, there are counters to gatecamps. People have given you counters to titan bridges, but you don't want to implement them. That's not their fault. I also hate to tell you, but one of the best ways to break a gatecamp is to drop a cyno. Why? Because it does put the fear of who-knows-what's coming into the gate campers. Hell, I had someone tell me to throw a cyno on my ship and threaten to pop it when I come into a gate camp. He said he's even managed to ransom gate campers on the threat of cyno, in a single ship.
You might not like it; but, titan bridging is part of the game. And just because you don't want to use the counters that have been suggested doesn't mean they should removed from the game. The more and more limitations added, the more and more Eve will lose its sandbox quality that we all love.
You do sound a bit... defensive about this. Someone who ambushes (gatecamps) is upset by the fact that someone else ambushed (titan bridged) them. It sounds a bit hypocritical to me. But I'm still new to Eve Online, so what do I know. Well, I know that if I saw a cyno go up while I was gate camping that I'd be warping to the nearest celestial ASAP...
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michael chasseur
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
11
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Posted - 2013.04.30 18:22:00 -
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OP - "why can't i hold all these tears?" |
Ristlin Wakefield
Rama Squadron Eternal Pretorian Alliance
308
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Posted - 2013.05.01 19:02:00 -
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OP - "You have 150 billion ISK and I only have 150 million...fair or not?" I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license. |
Dragnarok
ScionTech Services That Escalated Quickly
31
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Posted - 2013.07.23 06:51:00 -
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Phelan Kheldian wrote:Okay, I don't have a problem with a ship having some sort of indication that it has a cyno on it. But as for putting a limit on it, I have to disagree. This is a sandbox game; and the more limits put into the game, the less of a sandbox it will become. And I came to Eve because its a sandbox.
Now, the concept of not allowing titans in low sec because they can't be built there has been brought up. Specifically, the idea that no Empire would allow them to come into their territory. Well, low sec isn't exactly their territory. Its territory like the Old West was to the United States. Sure, the US claimed it, but what the US government said didn't have a whole lot of bearing on the lives of the people in the Old West. That's why the 4 empires have 'hired' corps (Faction Warfare) to fight for them. They need hired guns. Now, producing a titan is a large project and something that could be seen without a lot of trouble. That's why they can't be built in low sec (in terms of lore).
However, just because you can't build it (or sell it) doesn't mean you can't possess one in low sec. In many places in the United States of America, the production of 'adult entertainment videos' is illegal; however, you can still buy them and own them personally. There are even places in the United States, its illegal to sell them; but, you can own them. Also happens with adult entertainment toys, too; I guess politicians in some states are afraid that their girlfriend/wife/mistress is going to replace them with a piece of latex plastic. My point is... ownership and production of products are different. So quit the lore arguments...
As for the 'unfairness' of it, this is Eve. One of the things that attracts people to Eve is how smarter players who take advantage of an advantage get rewarded for it. You like to gate-camp; some people might not consider that 'real' PvP. You do, and that's okay. However, it seems you have an issue with people ambushing you just like you ambush others. Sure, someone could send a scout ahead to watch out for gate camps; but, I don't own an alt account or even an alt. That's my choice; but, I don't complain when I fly into a gatecamp and get stomped for it. I suck it up... acknowledge this is Eve and go about my day.
As I pointed out, there are counters to gatecamps. People have given you counters to titan bridges, but you don't want to implement them. That's not their fault. I also hate to tell you, but one of the best ways to break a gatecamp is to drop a cyno. Why? Because it does put the fear of who-knows-what's coming into the gate campers. Hell, I had someone tell me to throw a cyno on my ship and threaten to pop it when I come into a gate camp. He said he's even managed to ransom gate campers on the threat of cyno, in a single ship.
You might not like it; but, titan bridging is part of the game. And just because you don't want to use the counters that have been suggested doesn't mean they should removed from the game. The more and more limitations added, the more and more Eve will lose its sandbox quality that we all love.
You do sound a bit... defensive about this. Someone who ambushes (gatecamps) is upset by the fact that someone else ambushed (titan bridged) them. It sounds a bit hypocritical to me. But I'm still new to Eve Online, so what do I know. Well, I know that if I saw a cyno go up while I was gate camping that I'd be warping to the nearest celestial ASAP...
Everything that has been mentioned in this forum regarding how to avoid a bridge was not new news to us, but for some reason no-one reads the part where I say "that is not the case", we know what we need to do and how to save the headache regarding bridges ----> translation, we have done it... but it is not enough. An alt that has no affiliation with the owner of the titan's corp or alliance can easily fit a cyno... or am I wrong?
This Forum is for intellectuals who can put their brain's together and share thoughts over a cold can of beer on how to avoid being caught with your pants down. My best suggestion is to implement a 3D model of the cyno module just as any good PVPer looks at an enemy ship to see what kind of guns he/she has on so that he can either move on to the next target or go in and kill them.
What would your though on this be?
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Dragnarok
ScionTech Services That Escalated Quickly
31
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Posted - 2013.07.23 06:53:00 -
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Ristlin Wakefield wrote:OP - "You have 150 billion ISK and I only have 150 million...fair or not?"
That is a very good point... I will start a new Forum and also petition it to CCP why I don't have 150 billion instead of 150 million. |
Dragnarok
ScionTech Services That Escalated Quickly
31
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Posted - 2013.07.23 06:56:00 -
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michael chasseur wrote:OP - "why can't i hold all these tears?"
I was slicing some onions when I was writing this Forum post. Sorry.
P.s. Care to try again? ... at... getting... a... thumbs... up |
Lugia3
Pirates Incorporated
475
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Posted - 2013.07.23 08:15:00 -
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Dragnarok wrote:My proposition on this matter is that ships that have a Cynosural Field Generator I (or for that matter any type of Cyno modules) should have some physical property on the ship that they are fitted just as turrets do. When you click Look At on a ship, an experienced PvP pilot can recognize and distinguish different type of turrets installed on a ship to asses his/her chances of winning an engagement against his/her foe.
Do you approach a battleship that has no guns? Yarr |
Dragnarok
ScionTech Services That Escalated Quickly
31
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Posted - 2013.07.24 09:14:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:Dragnarok wrote:My proposition on this matter is that ships that have a Cynosural Field Generator I (or for that matter any type of Cyno modules) should have some physical property on the ship that they are fitted just as turrets do. When you click Look At on a ship, an experienced PvP pilot can recognize and distinguish different type of turrets installed on a ship to asses his/her chances of winning an engagement against his/her foe.
Do you approach a battleship that has no guns?
We don't. Only after we have verified that there are no titan pilots online from alliances around, and after we have checked his/her killboard... pretty much we run down through the list of weather this guy or gal is a cyno ship (unless we have a ship-scanner then it is a much easier task) and if the pilot and the ship are innocent of being a cyno bait then we go in with possible neuts fitted on that ship...
P.s. it all depends on the ship really. Plus, if it is too good to be true, it maybe is... but just in case shoot it, and if cyno pops then run. Simple. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
184
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Posted - 2013.07.25 03:14:00 -
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They should be limited to sov only space or at least space of those with sov set to blue. Definitely should not be able to jump from deep null to a system in low one jump from high sec like Mai.
If alliances want to jump a fleet the other side of map they should have to establish a beachhead (one sov system) or have friendlies who have sov there.
As for low, everyone should have to transit through low. |
Trinkets friend
T.R.I.A.D
1065
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:19:00 -
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I do like the idea of the cyno having something on the ship. This will limit cynoing only for, eg, bait Geddons or Brick Domis banging around at a belt. In this situation, your knowsy pirate will look at the ship, see the marital aid icon sticking out the top, and probably not take the bait.
Gate campers? As if you'll be looking. Your instalock Legion will have that thing tackled before you even blink, and the Tengus will be motoring in as 2000m/s to effect a lolbump a half second later. If a cyno goes off in this situation, and you cry that you got dropped by a dozen Abso's and Ashimmus and lost a bunch of swag...well, tough teats. YOLO is the Carpe Diem of Gen Y http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Tor Saani
Salt Lake Wrecking Crew That Escalated Quickly
0
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Posted - 2013.07.26 19:49:00 -
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Not to derail all the bantering about titans, bridging, etc... but I think the issue could be addressed more appropriatley with several changes:
1) Change the fitting reqs of Cyno to be more appropriate. As it stands right now almost any ship in the game can just throw on a cyno for good measure. (Seriously, what is better than 30 stealth bombers or a capital fleet in your utility high slot!)
2) NPC corp alts. It is very hard to make accurate decisions about who you are really entering a fight with in eve these days. The days of proud PvPers is gone. We literally eve-kill search anyone in an NPC corp, random little corp, or anything else suspicious before we commit. I would like to see drastic changes to the NPC/Fleet system (like chars older than 60 days cannot join a fleet with anyone outside of the NPC corp, the ability to pay ISK to place a label over the chars in game photo, etc)
3) Jump location variance. Increase the range for the existing variance at which ships come in at (heck even add some new skills to help mitigate the effect).
4) A random variance in jump time would be nice as well. Inbetween 1-20 seconds.
I think these changes would give FCs a chance to order a panic withdraw and make it more interesting for the pilots bridging into the fight (I think it would personally be more fun if there was a bit more mystery on where and when I would land on the other side of the hole).
Discloser: We use various jumping/hotdroping/bridging all the time. It is an important part of PvP in eve. (sometimes I honestly feel lame doing it... "wow, we are leet PvPers... 20 battleships to kill a couple of T3s and a BC... awesome".) I have all my alts in a known corp associated with the alliance and encourage all my friends to do the same. There is a dignity to flying under colors. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1495
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Posted - 2013.07.26 19:56:00 -
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Phelan Kheldian wrote: In many places in the United States of America, the production of 'adult entertainment videos' is illegal; however, you can still buy them and own them personally. There are even places in the United States, its illegal to sell them; but, you can own them.
Best quote of the thread. Eve Universe = United States, and Titans = "Adult Videos" |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Samurai Pizza Cats
630
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Posted - 2013.07.27 00:07:00 -
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I think page 10 is the correct place to answer the OP's question definitively.
Yes.
Yes, titan bridges are fair. Thanks. |
Haramir Haleths
Nutella Bande
20
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Posted - 2013.07.29 12:08:00 -
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So what we got until now ?
- OP is whining like a 6 year old, that the other don't play as he wants. - OP wants to sit with his gang on a gate with a big bubble and wants to shoot down every hauler wich is passing the gate. - Null Sec Alliance wich use this gate, because its on the pipe, get pissed after a while and kicked his ass.
Hmm, did i have missed something ?
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
762
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Posted - 2013.07.29 21:03:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Phelan Kheldian wrote: In many places in the United States of America, the production of 'adult entertainment videos' is illegal; however, you can still buy them and own them personally. There are even places in the United States, its illegal to sell them; but, you can own them.
Best quote of the thread. Eve Universe = United States, and Titans = "Adult Videos" Everybody wants one, Only the big boys can get them, owning one can make you feel special, Many people think they are bad and should not exist,
Sounds about right to me. |
FuzzyButt
Rainbow Dash Goes Red Rainbow Dash Friends
49
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Posted - 2013.08.03 14:36:00 -
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Hey we got bridged yesterday and lost a fight.
But if you live in a area you watchlist the titans and know who they are.
we scouted the hostiles and knew what they had and we could see it beeing managable.
If we only scouter the 4 Super Carriers =3
Back to titan bridge tho... 120 billion ship... the bridge is the only use it has and is no where near Overpowerd. its sooo easy too just watchlist the pilot of the titan and you can see OOh look, they logged the titan on.
If its online. scout it!
5 day old alt with a cloak on the POS =P Meow Meow.
Stop dropping on me tho Snuff Box, I'm running low on Archons with T2 rigs =3 |
Allota Lovin
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.08.03 22:36:00 -
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If you want to keep using Titans and supers In lo sec, CCP should let us build them in lo sec too!
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Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
383
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Posted - 2013.08.04 03:14:00 -
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"fair' is a logical fallacy
Is it overpowered compared to other mechanics, and by extension suppresses other roles and professions? Yes.
Those of us that remember a "big" Eve will tell you, it was better.
Size should matter. Both in terms of space amongst and between regions and.. .*ahem* elsewhere. That is the size we should be focused on now, the size of space, of Eve.
Why have thousands of star systems and dozens of regions if you can blink between any two dots on the map instantaneously?
But there are limits on what size should produce, and one big space dong (paraphrasing CCPs evaluation of titans at a fanfest not that long ago) does a bit too much for it's size. |
Dare Knight
The 0ffice of Secret Intelligence
54
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Posted - 2013.08.05 18:42:00 -
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The counter to a bridge -- Have a bigger fleet. You know the cyno goes up. Everyone sees it in Overview. You have plenty of time to gtfo. You see local piling up. You have dscan. Have some situational awareness and common sense. IF you don't want to fight the baddy, then leave or bring more/bigger ships. Nothing in EVE is fair.
'nuff said. Working as intended. It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
159
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Posted - 2013.08.08 15:52:00 -
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Wey'oun wrote:show me on the doll where the nasty piwates hotdropped you
seriously all these people bitching about titan hotdrops. its easily avoidable just get scouts in the titan home systems, be intelligent, its not difficult. This new eve attitude is what is killing eve. 'oh noes somthign that beats me, i must forum complain about the mechanics rather than think of a solution via ingame methods'
srsly its so easy to avoid hot drops, just have RL money to waste on alt accounts solving every problem for you forum idiots 'its easy'
and even if you have a scout in a titan system what the hell is that gonna do? 'o boy guys theres 50 of them in local lets dock up and wait for them to disband' --8 hours later--
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Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
159
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Posted - 2013.08.08 15:56:00 -
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Trendafil wrote:Man is it "Titan Bridge Awareness Month" or something? Get over it .. there will aways be a bigger fish and there is nothing you can say on the forums that will bring yor space pixels back to life.
stopped reading after i remembered this dude uses titan bridges.
and yes, as far as this game is concerned you complain enough, things will change so you will be the one dealing with it |
Ultimate Gunpowder
The Death Squad SCUM.
0
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Posted - 2013.09.18 13:07:00 -
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The way i see it is that 1 vs 1 fights are dying out just because of hotdrops\bridging .... Always wondering is this not a bait ... :-) |
Logical Chaos
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
53
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Posted - 2013.09.18 13:10:00 -
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Posting in a thread where people want to take the last thing from a Titan other than being a giant POS ornament... |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
24
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Posted - 2013.09.18 14:08:00 -
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Why not just reduce their range and how many ships they can jump at once? In lowsec though I don't think I've ever seen a full fleet bridged anywhere, usually it is 20-60 people. |
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