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Los Muertas
Servant Brothers of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.12.17 23:31:00 -
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After my recent experience in the death of the Lord Father, some of you may remember me asking for assistance, I have been wondering about how best to serve not only my own people, but the people of New Eden as a whole. I, like many Minmatar, believe that slavery is a degradation of the human soul for both slave and Holder. It is a cancer that eats at this world, but I have also come to see in the Elders Sanctuaries and on Mir'Mulnir holdings, that freed slaves in many cases resent their freedom or simply do not understand its premise.
A recent report, from my Tribes Holdings, showed that twenty five percent of those we had freed over the age of twenty five have fled back to Amarr seeking new masters. Six percent have committed suicide and a staggering thirty two percent simply stagnate. The definition of stagnation in this report is that these people lack the ability to lead lives without strict instruction from the Tribesmen whom look over these Holdings. They require time lines from us such as when to sleep, when to wake, when to eat and so on and my daughter, who has now taken over the Tribe, has concluded that this generation is a "lost generation" that we have done more damage to then helped.
The story is entirely different if we are speaking of those whom were under the age of sixteen during the Elders Emancipation, and we are using this as a model for future slave extractions, but this still leaves us with a plan that sees us stealing children in the dead of night, and leaving their parents and elders in captivity which we fear may cause yet another set of problems in the future and we have yet to decide if this is a avenue which we wish to pursue. As of this moment we are ceasing all further incursions against the Amarr until we have figured out a plan in this respect and I know that there are many organizations which have had better results and we would ask those people to forward the results to myself or the Tribe.
Until such time as we can create a new and viable plan for those rescued from the Amarr, I have decided to peruse an avenue which is having much better success, and that is the freeing and rehabilitation of the other massive slave population in New Eden which is those held by Sansha's Nation, and thus I am announcing the Servant Brothers of New Eden. This new organization will work loosely with the Sisters of Eve in matters such as the recent Rilnais incident, however as a capsuleer organization I plan to actively engage Sansha Incursions and free those whom they have taken.
I will be actively recruiting people, of all nationality, in this endeavor and I will not allow my personal bias to interfere with this goal. I openly request that people, from all four empires whom wish to combat this threat, to join me. Mir'Mulnir Tribe will act as our Minmatar rehabilitation organization and I would ask that corps from the Amarr, Gallente and Caldari Nations step up and provide support for this cause as a Minmatar cannot teach an Amarrian who to reconnect to their roots any better than a Fox can teach a bear how to be a bear.
((OOC to the CEO's of Sansha RP corps out there, once I have this corp going I would very much like to talk over some RP events for both Eve and DUST 514 so drop me a line. All other RPers interested in a sort of United Nations sort of group, regardless of your RPed personal loyalties, drop me a line aswell.))
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Veris Aloren
3
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Posted - 2012.12.17 23:42:00 -
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A noble endeavor, to say the least. I'm not sure what type of people you're looking for or what I can offer to you, but you've got my support in any way you need, though I'm curious...
How are you organizing, specifically? Is this going to be a new corporation or alliance, or just a loose association? Donations to Aloren Enterprises are always accepted. |
Alizabeth Vea
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
32
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Posted - 2012.12.17 23:57:00 -
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It took me to the fourth paragraph to figure out what you were trying to say. This is bad.
As to the content:
Cripes. You have had poor results liberating Minmatar from the Amarrians so you're going to try and free Nation slaves from Sansha? When I read this, my wife asked from the bedroom what the loud thunk was; I responded with "my head hitting the console." Nation slaves are beyond saving, they're not even human any more. Just give them a merciful death and be about your way. Cripes. A Guide to Good Posting:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182980&find=unread I have a jar on my desk. -áIt is a magickal jar, that I use to collect pubby tears, but no matter how many tears are collected, it is never full enough for me. |
Los Muertas
Servant Brothers of New Eden
81
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Posted - 2012.12.18 00:06:00 -
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Veris Aloren wrote:A noble endeavor, to say the least. I'm not sure what type of people you're looking for or what I can offer to you, but you've got my support in any way you need, though I'm curious...
How are you organizing, specifically? Is this going to be a new corporation or alliance, or just a loose association?
To answer your question, both. I am looking for people to fly with me when these incursions happen and to save as many from the Sansha as possible on the front end. The second part, of loose affiliation, would be the corps and organizations out there which have had success in rehabilitating these poor souls after they have been indoctrinated by the Nation and then other organizations. Stron and many others have had success in this arena and so I will leave it to better minds then mine to do that work.
Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
Veris Aloren
3
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Posted - 2012.12.18 00:20:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:It took me to the fourth paragraph to figure out what you were trying to say. This is bad.
Who cares? If you don't have the patience to read four paragraphs, then there might be a larger problem at work, my dear. Donations to Aloren Enterprises are always accepted. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
938
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Posted - 2012.12.18 00:45:00 -
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I think you are underestimating the thoroughness with which Nation approaches its enslavement. They have no need for their True Slaves to retain any form of humanity. The flesh brain they keep is used as little more than a co-processor. The remnants of the former mind are far too fragmented to form even the most basic foundations for a personality once disconnected from Nation.
Euthanasia is the most humane treatment for a staggering majority of freed True Slaves. Your greatest hope should be reserved for those only recently captured, not those already 'assimilated' so to speak. |
Sepherim
Renford Distribution
23
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Posted - 2012.12.18 00:50:00 -
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I applaud your change of focus. Sansha's Nation is a threat to all empires that needs much more effort than it currently receives. Sepherim Catillah; Ex-Imperial Navy Officer |
Los Muertas
Servant Brothers of New Eden
81
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Posted - 2012.12.18 00:51:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote: Your greatest hope should be reserved for those only recently captured, not those already 'assimilated' so to speak.
And this is perhaps what I should have stated more clearly, is that these people are the target of our efforts. Getting to these people and then getting them to a group who can undo the damage done to the people in this category. I am hoping that there are those out there who will step up to help me in this second phase.
Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
Alizabeth Vea
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
33
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Posted - 2012.12.18 01:06:00 -
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Someone show me documented proof that anyone enslaved by Kuvakei has ever been rescued and reintegrated into society. The only example that comes to mind is the Valadeus girl, who was not only the most broken person that I have ever encountered, but she also went back to Nation! As an anarchist I appreciate the havoc that they are wreaking on the Cluster, but their goals frighten me; destroy them all, wherever you find them. Do not feel sorrie for them. A Guide to Good Posting:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182980&find=unread I have a jar on my desk. -áIt is a magickal jar that I use to collect pubby tears, but no matter how many tears are collected, it is never full enough for me. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera JIHADASQUAD
470
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Posted - 2012.12.18 01:06:00 -
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Nation and its adherents tend not to condone meddling in their operations.
Be careful who you cross at such a tender age.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
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Los Muertas
Servant Brothers of New Eden
82
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Posted - 2012.12.18 01:18:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote: Someone show me documented proof that anyone enslaved by Kuvakei has ever been rescued and reintegrated into society. The only example that comes to mind is the Valadeus girl, who was not only the most broken person that I have ever encountered, but she also went back to Nation! As an anarchist I appreciate the havoc that they are wreaking on the Cluster, but their goals frighten me; destroy them all, wherever you find them. Do not feel sorrie for them.
The time window for any viable rescue would be during the raid itself, or at a facility that is used just after the assualt, to finish conversion of those taken. Any attempt after that point, to my knowledge, is futile. But after that rescue, that is where I need this community to help out. I know Stron has programs, others do aswell, to rehabilitate people, but on the worlds effected by the Incursions ruins remain. I am looking for people here to help with feeding, clothing, counseling and perhaps even putting people to work after these events that they can reclaim their lives as closely as possible.
Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
324
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Posted - 2012.12.18 01:20:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:It took me to the fourth paragraph to figure out what you were trying to say. This is bad.
This is what is referred to as an inductive form. It is of use when wishing to entice and lead, whereas the deductive form is useful for making declarative statements. It is my guess that Mr. Muertas chose this form as he wished to employ a more narrative, warm and congenial tone. This is useful when one wishes to invite discussion, and should be indicative of his intentions for the post. |
Alizabeth Vea
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
33
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Posted - 2012.12.18 01:43:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote:It took me to the fourth paragraph to figure out what you were trying to say. This is bad. This is what is referred to as an inductive form. It is of use when wishing to entice and lead, whereas the deductive form is useful for making declarative statements. It is my guess that Mr. Muertas chose this form as he wished to employ a more narrative, warm and congenial tone. This is useful when one wishes to invite discussion, and should be indicative of his intentions for the post.
Under no circumstances should I be halfway through reading an upload and still not know what the uploader's main point is. Even the title was insufficient. I will admit that I guessed what was going on, but I credit that to my intelligence not the clarity of Muertas's words. A wonderful opening line would have been: "I've decided to fight Nation instead of the Empire and am starting a corporation and trying to rescue people from Kuvakei. Here's why:" I wrote many formal papers in both finishing school as well as the CalNav Marines officer school and in no circumstances did my thesis statement never appear in the first paragraph. It was usually in the first line. A Guide to Good Posting:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182980&find=unread I have a jar on my desk. -áIt is a magickal jar that I use to collect pubby tears, but no matter how many tears are collected, it is never full enough for me. |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
324
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Posted - 2012.12.18 03:00:00 -
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The direct form has no doubt served you very well in the formal papers you have written. The direct form is often ideal for formal papers, scientific papers, and some business documents, amongst other areas.
This said, one of my favourite articles from The Intercluster Journal of Intelligence Studies [IJIS] is M. Savanakka's delightful YC112 discussion on asymmetric graph weighting, in which the esteemed doctor does not make his thesis fully known until the end of the primary proof. While unconventional, the form invites the reader on the same journey of discovery which the writer had first taken. The feeling of surprise on reaching the thesis was worth the delay of realizing it, certainly.
Mr. Muertas is not writing a formal paper, scientific document, or business document. This is not even a press release. It is a statement of intent and invitation to discuss that intent. As such, inviting the reader on some voyage of discovery may be just what is called for. I also don't think you give Mr. Muertas enough credit. I was able to guess his topic on reading the title of the post as well, and I'm no genius with communication - I'm certainly not as well learned as yourself on the subject. Perhaps his inductive style was better chosen than you first suspected.
Finally, Ms. Vea, I urge patience on your part. We are Capsuleers, not authors or marketers. Some inefficiencies are to be expected.
Thank you, and I apologize for interrupting this thread with my reply. I will not post in an off-topic manner again. I leave the final word to you, if you so choose, Ms. Vea. |
Veris Aloren
5
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Posted - 2012.12.18 04:01:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Veris Aloren wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote:It took me to the fourth paragraph to figure out what you were trying to say. This is bad. Who cares? If you don't have the patience to read four paragraphs, then there might be a larger problem at work, my dear. I simply dislike ineffective communication. I read quite a bit every day (All uploads to the gal-net are loaded to me as text; if it is a video, software automatically makes a transcript.) and like what I read to be quality work.
Unfortunately for your preferences, not every system revolves around your star. People write with character and voice that they developed through their own experiences and personality, and frankly, it's rather disrespectful to claim that your way is the correct way and that no other way exists. Try digesting more than just the raw facts and get a feeling for the people you are communicating with. Respect them and in turn they will respect you, as opposed to simply ignoring you as CONCORD's grammar police.
Which by the way, is fantastically annoying. Donations to Aloren Enterprises are always accepted. |
Pulivin Motic
Industrial Guardians of New Eden New Eden's Industrial Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.12.18 04:55:00 -
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So let me get this right, you want to capture a large group of easily controlled true slaves, and then populate your colonies with them. Im not saying im against the idea, but if you want good cheap labor don't disguise it as some sort of humanitarian mission.
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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
126
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Posted - 2012.12.18 05:04:00 -
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Let the rabid dogs tear each other apart, really. .stillwater |
Los Muertas
Servant Brothers of New Eden
82
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Posted - 2012.12.18 06:22:00 -
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Pulivin Motic wrote:So let me get this right, you want to capture a large group of easily controlled true slaves, and then populate your colonies with them. Im not saying im against the idea, but if you want good cheap labor don't disguise it as some sort of humanitarian mission.
This was not even remotely suggested or hinted at, perhaps a course in reading comprehension would be in order sir? Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
Alizabeth Vea
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
33
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Posted - 2012.12.18 08:32:00 -
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Veris Aloren wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote:Veris Aloren wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote:It took me to the fourth paragraph to figure out what you were trying to say. This is bad. Who cares? If you don't have the patience to read four paragraphs, then there might be a larger problem at work, my dear. I simply dislike ineffective communication. I read quite a bit every day (All uploads to the gal-net are loaded to me as text; if it is a video, software automatically makes a transcript.) and like what I read to be quality work. Unfortunately for your preferences, not every system revolves around your star. People write with character and voice that they developed through their own experiences and personality, and frankly, it's rather disrespectful to claim that your way is the correct way and that no other way exists. Try digesting more than just the raw facts and get a feeling for the people you are communicating with. Respect them and in turn they will respect you, as opposed to simply ignoring you as CONCORD's grammar police. Which by the way, is fantastically annoying. Don't like it? Don't read it. And certainly don't comment on it.
I was going to let this go after Scherezad's comment and focus on the matter at hand, but since you brought it up. . . . What you want is politeness. Had I phrased my initial comment something along the lines of "I like what you're doing, fighting Nation is good, but next time can you please be a little more clear on your intent early on?" I doubt we would be having this discussion. I, however, will not waste time with politeness. I am blunt and scathingly honest. A person will always know where they stand with me. I made a comment about Muertas's writing because this is the second time that I have seen an upload from him that wonders around before getting to the point; the first one was an unduly long upload about slavery that went on for several more pages than it needed to and as a result most people either misunderstood or ignored it. He can either take my advice or leave it, but the advice is there. And the advice was posted in accordance with my character and my voice. A Guide to Good Posting:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182980&find=unread I have a jar on my desk. -áIt is a magickal jar that I use to collect pubby tears, but no matter how many tears are collected, it is never full enough for me. |
Halete
Alexylva Paradox
477
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Posted - 2012.12.18 08:53:00 -
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Allow me to interject; have you ever tried to understand His Nation? Trading chains for shackles, I am free. |
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N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
88
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Posted - 2012.12.18 11:04:00 -
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I would like to echo sentiments expressed previously here and lay out the simple facts. If you're planning to rehabilitate True Slaves, don't.
Nation implants are all derived from Kuvakei's original fusion of Jovian capsule technology with neural implants, and have only gotten more advanced with time. After a certain period, the damage to the brain means that removal with result in either straight out death, or severe mental instability resulting in suicide. Even in early stages, some damage will be irreparable, even with skilled neurosurgery. It is also worth baring in mind that the vast, overwhelming majority of True Slaves are well past the point of no return.
In short, rehabilitation is a futile endeavour at present, as we are still a long way off being able to deal with this medically. True Slaves are designed precisely not to be rehabilitated.
I would stick to stemming the Incursions by foreceful means. But your enthusiasm is heart warming. N'maro Makari Executive Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
405
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Posted - 2012.12.18 13:44:00 -
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Dear Mr. Muertas, While DSTON cannot participate in the "taking up arms" of your vision, we would like to offer our services on the humanitarian end. We currently have a small group of rescued "true slaves" in long term care in our center in Ation. We have prepared that center to be a place where there is ongoing attempts to help true slaves in spite of the difficulty.
While I agree in part of the cautions given by many who have responded to you, I disagree with the harsh pessimism and insistance that nothing can be done. This is typical "kill first, think later" attitude of capsuleers. In spite of common belief, every individual person implanted with Sansha control devices differs from every other. Depending on the particular abductee, what implants were used, the amount of time elapsed, and the task they had while abducted, these differences determine their ductility to both surgical and psychological reform. It is only after a certain time has passed that there is no reversal. In particular and somewhat ironically, those who were more submissive to Sansha are the best candidates to help. They often were allowed to keep measures of free will and creative volition while in the network. Regardless, we provide long term care at our Ation Center for all.
Please do not let the harsh and constant nay-saying, "just kill-em" attitude disuade you from a right course of action. DSTON is committed to the long term seeking of ways to help true slaves recover their personhood. We will help you in any way we can with those you rescue. We can house, treat, and care for those you may rescue. Also, once our Center planetary cmplexes are running at surplus, we will also be able to contribute potentially large amounts of material resources for humanitarian operations. Please keep us in mind. The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |
Luna Mori
AmmuNacionale
35
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Posted - 2012.12.18 19:27:00 -
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It will take some time to provide the necessary medical infrastructure, but I am willing to attempt to replicate some of DSTON's success at this and help to rehabilitate those rescued. I am also willing to put aside any historical differences and join in fleet to counter Sansha Incursions. General Secretary, Ani Tribal Assembly |
Los Muertas
Servant Brothers of New Eden
83
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Posted - 2012.12.19 00:31:00 -
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To Mister Momaki and Miss Mori, I thank you for your offer and accept it. I am pleased that there are some who, like me, are willing to try and fail if need be rather then just accept that there can be no result but failure. To clairfy, my initial attempts will be towards those most recently taken and thus have a low base line of indoctrination. I will bring "test subjects" (and yes I know how disgusting it is to look at those that were once people as test subjects) to Mr. Momaki and any others that wish to research further stages of "True Slaves" implants, but in limited number. I do not wish to take large samples of that community until Mr. Momaki or others can show me progress in their efforts.
This is not lack of faith in DSTON mind you but rather a desire not to use people, and yes regardless of the implant level these were once people, as lab rats if their is no hope beyond rescue of those only recently taken. Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
325
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Posted - 2012.12.19 00:42:00 -
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Lai Dai Research Biomedical and Cybernetic would like to offer this venture its expertise in the field of neurological reconstruction. Please contact us via LDRSS with your needs and we will endeavour to supply what we are able. |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
88
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Posted - 2012.12.19 01:33:00 -
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I would like some clarification.
Is this now a medical research venture, or will DSTON be removing the implants from every True Slave they find? Because I assure you the second option comes with a very long butcher's bill.
Although techincally correct on some points, vis a vis different purposes and different thresholds, Mr Momaki's estimates seem over -optimistic given the current state of medical technology in this area.
To put it bluntly, without further research, which is the noblest of the options presented thus far, finding people with genuine potential to be rehabilitated is looking for a needle in a haystack.
On top of that, consider the problem presented by having to diagnose each True Slave individually. What assurances can you give that this endeavour wont turn into a bloodbath? How many True Slaves will be taken in at a time?
I find myself in the highly unusual position of agreeing with Ms Vea, you need to put some clarity into your proposals.
Sources: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/True_Slaves#cite_note-plague-1
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/True_Slave
http://community.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-11-10 N'maro Makari Executive Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
408
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Posted - 2012.12.19 01:46:00 -
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Los Muertas wrote:To Mister Momaki and Miss Mori, I thank you for your offer and accept it. I am pleased that there are some who, like me, are willing to try and fail if need be rather then just accept that there can be no result but failure. To clairfy, my initial attempts will be towards those most recently taken and thus have a low base line of indoctrination. I will bring "test subjects" (and yes I know how disgusting it is to look at those that were once people as test subjects) to Mr. Momaki and any others that wish to research further stages of "True Slaves" implants, but in limited number. I do not wish to take large samples of that community until Mr. Momaki or others can show me progress in their efforts.
This is not lack of faith in DSTON mind you but rather a desire not to use people, and yes regardless of the implant level these were once people, as lab rats if their is no hope beyond rescue of those only recently taken.
You, sir, are wise in your precautions. Indeed, we have not shown great progress as of yet other than providing a place of watchful care. We share the concern of not treating these victims as experimental subjects and as a result are probably overcautious in trying to "repair" the damage done by the Sansha experience. I can recommend Lai Dai Research as another avenue for you. They have helped us in the past in difficult medical cases.
We are committed to patiently care for these in the long term and approach recovery very slowly. Our primary contact for our Ation center is Poteque Pharmaceuticals. They have made the initial evaluations of the group we have in Ation and are not ready nor anxious to take any radical courses. Right now the main focus is to determine if there is cognitive response and an ability to learn even at a rudimentary level.
We will respect your choices and judgements in the matter. We wish you the very best in your efforts. The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
326
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Posted - 2012.12.19 01:49:00 -
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To clarify the position which we are prepared to participate;
We have two neurological reconstruction specialists and four research interns currently conducting studies in fields related to the pathologies often found in True Slaves. We are prepared to offer the expertise of this group in advising medical staff, supplying access to therapeutic implants, and diagnosing pathologies to the Servant Brothers of New Eden. |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
88
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Posted - 2012.12.19 02:02:00 -
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Ston Momaki wrote:Los Muertas wrote:To Mister Momaki and Miss Mori, I thank you for your offer and accept it. I am pleased that there are some who, like me, are willing to try and fail if need be rather then just accept that there can be no result but failure. To clairfy, my initial attempts will be towards those most recently taken and thus have a low base line of indoctrination. I will bring "test subjects" (and yes I know how disgusting it is to look at those that were once people as test subjects) to Mr. Momaki and any others that wish to research further stages of "True Slaves" implants, but in limited number. I do not wish to take large samples of that community until Mr. Momaki or others can show me progress in their efforts.
This is not lack of faith in DSTON mind you but rather a desire not to use people, and yes regardless of the implant level these were once people, as lab rats if their is no hope beyond rescue of those only recently taken. You, sir, are wise in your precautions. Indeed, we have not shown great progress as of yet other than providing a place of watchful care. We share the concern of not treating these victims as experimental subjects and as a result are probably overcautious in trying to "repair" the damage done by the Sansha experience. I can recommend Lai Dai Research as another avenue for you. They have helped us in the past in difficult medical cases. We are committed to patiently care for these in the long term and approach recovery very slowly. Our primary contact for our Ation center is Poteque Pharmaceuticals. They have made the initial evaluations of the group we have in Ation and are not ready nor anxious to take any radical courses. Right now the main focus is to determine if there is cognitive response and an ability to learn even at a rudimentary level. We will respect your choices and judgements in the matter. We wish you the very best in your efforts.
This goes some way to adressing my original concerns. Further details would be welcome. N'maro Makari Executive Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
Los Muertas
Servant Brothers of New Eden
84
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Posted - 2012.12.19 02:05:00 -
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N'maro Makari wrote:I would like some clarification. Is this now a medical research venture, or will DSTON be removing the implants from every True Slave you find? Because I assure you the second option comes with a very long and far messier butcher's bill. Although techincally correct on some points, vis a vis different purposes and different thresholds, Mr Momaki's estimates seem over -optimistic given the current state of medical technology in this area. More solid estimates from DSTON would be welcome, however. To put it bluntly, without further research, which is the noblest of the options presented thus far, finding people with genuine potential to be rehabilitated is looking for a needle in a haystack. On top of that, consider the problem presented by having to diagnose each True Slave individually. What assurances can you give that this endeavour wont turn into a bloodbath? How many True Slaves will be taken in at a time? I find myself in the highly unusual position of agreeing with Ms Vea, you need to put some clarity into your proposals. Sources: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/True_Slaves#cite_note-plague-1http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/True_Slavehttp://community.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-11-10
All well and good. Let me clarify, this venture, on my part, is reverse incursions of Sansha operations where in I and pilots that wish to join in the endeavor will meet Sanshas incursions head on with a primary goal of rescue and extraction of those being taken during that operation. CONCORD and other paramilitary organizations engaged in the effort can take the glory of smashing Nation forces, our goal is rescue first.
The second effort of this organization is to send ground teams to Incusrion sites, render paramilitary aide in the form of defense and moving civilians to safe zones while also actively engaging Nation forces on the ground.
My request for aide is issued in regards to helping those whom have been "collared" but not yet implanted with full implants. Madam Scherezad and Mr Momaki are offering their aide in the treatment of "collared" prisoners and Mr Momaki is willing to do limited research into more advanced cases IF research dictates that it is a worthwhile venture that has a probablitity of success. Madam Scherezad's organization, as I understand it, is willing to offer aide in "mentally repairing" these poor souls.
The final piece in this puzzle that I must solicit is organizations willing to give these souls a chance at a life after recovery. Work Programs with on going emotional and psychological care, a reintegration into society if you please. Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
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