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EOH Er4z0r
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.18 23:16:00 -
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i have a couple of questions if someone could help me ,
#1 going back when a stealth bomber first come out , a stealth bomber used cruise missles and couldnt use a covert ops cloak is this correct ?
#2 bomb launchers were not created yet by ccp so it could not use a bomb launcher , is this correct ? |
Mire Stoude
Antelope with Night Vision Goggles
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Posted - 2012.12.18 23:29:00 -
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#1 Correct. They could only use non-covert ops cloaks and cruise missiles.
#2 Wrong-ish. Bomb launchers weren't around for the first version of the stealth bomber. Bomb launchers were created as a way to improve the usefulness of stealth bombers (at the same time they were changed to allow torpedos and covert ops cloak). |
To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2012.12.19 02:48:00 -
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Mire Stoude wrote: #2 Wrong-ish. Bomb launchers weren't around for the first version of the stealth bomber. Bomb launchers were created as a way to improve the usefulness of stealth bombers (at the same time they were changed to allow torpedos and covert ops cloak).
im pretty sure bomb launchers were already around when ccp switched from cruise to torp its just no one used them because bombs were frigging expensive before they cutted the production cost. also i dont remembe how much was the bonus for bomb (if any) before the SB rebalance |
Alberik
Eusebius Corporation
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Posted - 2012.12.19 12:25:00 -
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To mare wrote:Mire Stoude wrote: #2 Wrong-ish. Bomb launchers weren't around for the first version of the stealth bomber. Bomb launchers were created as a way to improve the usefulness of stealth bombers (at the same time they were changed to allow torpedos and covert ops cloak).
im pretty sure bomb launchers were already around when ccp switched from cruise to torp its just no one used them because bombs were frigging expensive before they cutted the production cost. also i dont remembe how much was the bonus for bomb (if any) before the SB rebalance
bombs where there allready back in the CM times but they were produces in batches of 1 instead of 20, pretty much expensive.
dont know if sbs and bombs entered game at the same time |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2012.12.19 12:37:00 -
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To mare wrote:Mire Stoude wrote: #2 Wrong-ish. Bomb launchers weren't around for the first version of the stealth bomber. Bomb launchers were created as a way to improve the usefulness of stealth bombers (at the same time they were changed to allow torpedos and covert ops cloak).
im pretty sure bomb launchers were already around when ccp switched from cruise to torp its just no one used them because bombs were frigging expensive before they cutted the production cost. also i dont remembe how much was the bonus for bomb (if any) before the SB rebalance
That is correct. I remember the patch notes for when Stealth Bombers were switched from using Cruise Missiles to Torpedoes, but I don't have any recollection of Stealth Bombers not being allowed to fit Smart Bombs so that was almost certainly an earlier change. Possibly from before I started playing over 5 years ago.
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Maeltstome
The Burning Red
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Posted - 2012.12.19 12:45:00 -
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Salpad wrote:To mare wrote:Mire Stoude wrote: #2 Wrong-ish. Bomb launchers weren't around for the first version of the stealth bomber. Bomb launchers were created as a way to improve the usefulness of stealth bombers (at the same time they were changed to allow torpedos and covert ops cloak).
im pretty sure bomb launchers were already around when ccp switched from cruise to torp its just no one used them because bombs were frigging expensive before they cutted the production cost. also i dont remembe how much was the bonus for bomb (if any) before the SB rebalance That is correct. I remember the patch notes for when Stealth Bombers were switched from using Cruise Missiles to Torpedoes, but I don't have any recollection of Stealth Bombers not being allowed to fit Smart Bombs so that was almost certainly an earlier change. Possibly from before I started playing over 5 years ago.
Bomb launcher /= smart bombs.
Stealth bombers had the black-ops cloaking bonus. Increased speed and no delay after decloaking on regular cloak. They also had a bonus to make cruise more effective against smaller targets. |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2012.12.19 12:49:00 -
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Have I mentioned that I want the old StealthBomber back? (I mean not as replacement of the new one, but in addition to it) |
Hidden Snake
Genco Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.12.19 14:11:00 -
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Meditril wrote:Have I mentioned that I want the old StealthBomber back? (I mean not as replacement of the new one, but in addition to it)
me too ... but CCP dont want it ..... sigh .... can I have my candy? :)
on serious note ... old bombers were instapoping frigates ..... would be very disbalancing now IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
Zaq Phelps
Ad idem
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Posted - 2012.12.20 02:57:00 -
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Bottom line:
Old SB's had cruise missiles (that could fire from 200km or so if fit and rigged right) instead of torps. It took forever for the missiles to get to the target (by which time tackled targets were killed by your gang already, the target simply left the field or did nano magic and owned your face - more on this later).
You couldn't really rig it since there was only one rig size back then and they cost as much as large rigs do now. Given that the ship was more likely to die in a fire than get a kill, it was imprudent to fit two rigs that cost twice as much as the hull each. This meant unless you had more money than sense (me), there was no damage, range, or extra tank coming from the rigslots.
They had less fitting meaning it was a pain to fit missiles, a cloak, and a bomb launcher. There were basically two fits... stand off cruise missile fit for harassing the overpowered falcons while in frigate gangs (back then falcons could jam effectively from 215km), and suicide bomb fit (because sneezing in your general direction caused the SB to collapse into a singularity).
The cloak was not covops (improved t2 or prototype only), but got a bonus to cloaked velocity (which was meant you fit overdrives in the lows to increase base speed).
Because you fit OD's in the lows (no fitting left really for BCU's anyway) and because you fit CM's, your dps was around 200ish. Fortunately, you could instapop frigs if they weren't traveling fast, but in practice it was kinda meh.
You had much less tank than you do now because of the aforementioned fitting issues, but also lower base effective HP. This meant playing stealth tackle was silly because you would get popped before help arrived. Also, this was back in the nano ship era where everything worth flying had to be fast (think interceptors at 20,000 m/s --- as in the fastest ships were literally breaking the server's physics engine). In that era, the SB itself was a slug in comparison (nanophoons outran it), and so were it's weapons (missiles were terrible against nano ship because they literally did zero damage... if they even ever caught up with the target).
The bombs cost as much as the hull (15m or so back then). I can't recall if they had introduced t2 bombs before or after the cruise to torp rebalance, but few people used bombs regardless.
TL:DR - Cruise bombers = terrible ship was terrible; Torp bombers = winsauce
As an aside... this thread reminds me I need to fly out to outer ring one day and sell my cruise launcher bomber parked in 4c- |
Zaq Phelps
Ad idem
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Posted - 2012.12.20 03:07:00 -
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Hidden Snake wrote:Meditril wrote:Have I mentioned that I want the old StealthBomber back? (I mean not as replacement of the new one, but in addition to it) me too ... but CCP dont want it ..... sigh .... can I have my candy? :) on serious note ... old bombers were instapoping frigates ..... would be very disbalancing now
I wouldn't mind a new bomber, but I would want a bomber that was nothing but a bomber. The current bomber is kinda like a uboat when using torps and a dive bomber when using bombs. I would want something more like a group of B-52 flying fortresses; lots o bombs, nothing stealthy about it, very little manueverability or HP, but lots of explosions. Nothing meant for solo work. Multiple launchers with bonuses to bomb health, cruiser or dessie sized, no or limited turrets (or maybe a bonus to smartbomb fitting), and a bonus to bomb flight speed.
/ 2 cents |
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