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General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
178
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Posted - 2014.04.30 11:13:00 -
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Read before you hire : http://greedygoblin.blogspot.nl/2014/04/money-talks.html
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Jay Joringer
Concentrated Evil The Marmite Collective
374
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Posted - 2014.04.30 12:27:00 -
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Read it. Dismissed it (shame because there is usually some good stuff on your blog). Mercenaries have no alliegance except to money - shocker!
The moral of this story is that if you ever think you have the loyalty or friendship of a mercenary, you are wrong. Noir still do what they do better than everyone else. Always bet on stupid
http://smug-bastard.blogspot.co.uk
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Joseph Soprano
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
6
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Posted - 2014.04.30 12:29:00 -
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Noir it seems are a profoundly untrustworthy merc alliance.
Having two conflicting contracts running. Breaking the confidence of one by discussing their contract with their enemy. Podding their client for fun. Trying extort money for a really **** poor job.
I think I missed alot but needless to say they have a unique way of doing business. I would have no trouble in recommending them for some one else to use (at their own risk of course). |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1732
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Posted - 2014.04.30 13:26:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde, is that one dude still wearing his cloak? Fun times man, fun times.
Noir. are good people. Ruthless when need be, but pretty chillax and awesome otherwise. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Isabela Valentine
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
15
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Posted - 2014.04.30 13:35:00 -
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Joseph Soprano wrote:Having two conflicting contracts running.
There was no stipulation in the contract that we were not allowed to shoot Lemmings. Besides, nothing was stopping you guys from actually fleeting up your 450 pilots to take on our 20. Don't be mad because you guys came across a slight bit of adversity.
Quote: Breaking the confidence of one by discussing their contract with the clients enemy.
No details of the contract were forwarded to the original contractor, nor was the name ever given. The only thing passed on was that we would be shooting them too. A Burn Everyone type of deal. They seemed cool with it....
Quote: Podding their client for fun.
Not our fault that Goblin has an alt in Lemmings after he said he was cutting ties with them. He was a WT, knew he was at war with us, and still got into it. It's also not our fault that he didn't warp out and just sat there to die. No fun involved, just business.
Quote: Trying extort money for a really **** poor job.
And I suppose that's in comparison of your wonderf-...... out wait. Nevermind.
Quote: [...] here is some guy in Noir version of events.
lol.... thats all there is to be said about that.
I look forward to the coming weeks. See you on the battlefield. Or maybe not. Up to you guys.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1445
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Posted - 2014.04.30 15:09:00 -
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http://noirmercs.com/content.php?3455-Burn-Goblin
The full story, complete with mail dumps from Goblin. You scam mercs you dont get privacy, you get the sunlight.
Also confirmed I am some guy in Noir. "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart." -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1445
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Posted - 2014.04.30 15:10:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Alekseyev Karrde, is that one dude still wearing his cloak? If he's in Noir. then I assume he's always cloaked. #TrainCloakingVI "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart." -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Joseph Soprano
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
6
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Posted - 2014.04.30 15:11:00 -
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Isabela Valentine wrote: Yes you are right Joseph
'There was no stipulation in the contract that we were not allowed to shoot Lemmings. Besides, nothing was stopping you guys from actually fleeting up your 450 pilots to take on our 20. Don't be mad because you guys came across a slight bit of adversity.' No conflict of interest there then.
'No details of the contract were forwarded to the original contractor, nor was the name ever given. ' Wierd the goons knew all about it. I think you must have some goons spies in your organisation or you blabbed. Whatever!
'Podding their client for fun. ' 'Not our fault ' - I know. However I would have thought blowing up your client would be bad for business. Oh wait you want paying for that?
'Trying extort money for a really **** poor job. ' 'I look forward to the coming weeks. See you on the battlefield. Or maybe not. Up to you guys.' - So not trying to extort money from a dissatistisfied client.
'Not our fault that Goblin has an alt in Lemmings after he said he was cutting ties with them. ' So why would I be seeing you if the Lemmings have nothing to do with Gevlon?
It's a big mess of Noirs making isn't it :) See you soon then.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1445
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Posted - 2014.04.30 15:18:00 -
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Joseph Soprano wrote: 'No details of the contract were forwarded to the original contractor, nor was the name ever given. ' Wierd the goons knew all about it. I think you must have some goons spies in your organisation or you blabbed. Whatever!
'Podding their client for fun. ' 'Not our fault ' - I know. However I would have thought blowing up your client would be bad for business. Oh wait you want paying for that?
'Trying extort money for a really **** poor job. ' 'I look forward to the coming weeks. See you on the battlefield. Or maybe not. Up to you guys.' - So not trying to extort money from a dissatistisfied client.
'Not our fault that Goblin has an alt in Lemmings after he said he was cutting ties with them. ' So why would I be seeing you if the Lemmings have nothing to do with Gevlon?
1. They knew about it because as has been mentioned a zillion times, Goblin cursed me out, told me he wouldn't be paying, then blocked me when I tried to talk to him about it. So I told the EVE Podpack channel and #tweetfleet. It's not a conspiracy it's called social media and Goblin being a jackass.
2. We are punishing a scammer at this point.
3. Gevlon founded lemmings but made a big blog post, as well as some private mails to me, about how you guys were going off doing your own thing. That was like 2 months ago. We're not psychic, if he doesn't tell us things have changed how are we supposed to know?
4. I maintain Lemmings is mad at the wrong person. Goblin hired us when you couldn't get the job done fast enough on the Goon POCO thing, Goblin left you out in the cold during his Burn Jita contract talks with me not finding you relevant enough to mention. I understand that Lemmings pride is a bit hurt but you're making fools of yourselves by raging at us for it. Talk to your boss, not me. "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart." -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
605
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Posted - 2014.04.30 15:36:00 -
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The only true blue a mercenary has is Interstellar Kredits. A real mercenary would respect what Alek did and laugh about the lack of requirements he was bound to follow(considering the current uproar). If you didn't want him shooting "your team" then you should have put that into the contract.
To note, mercenaries are actually the most fun to kill. They usually think that they are invincible and definitely provide the best tears. When another mercenary corp whines about being "out maneuvered" its a turn off of sorts. Honestly nothing tastes better than a juicy 100+ person corporation/alliance complaining about their misfortune. You don't declare entitlement, you earn it. jack1974 > can still call me zeus :) if you want Danalee > Jack is more humble :) |
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Turbo Badass Reloaded
TURBO CORPS
1
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Posted - 2014.04.30 15:51:00 -
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First, you stated that you asked the first contract if this was alright with them, I'm assuming that is because you saw that it could be a conflict of interest. If that is the case, why didn't you inform Gevlon that you had a prior contract that may be a conflict of interest? To me, and others, it looks as if you were double dipping. Honestly, i can see why Gevlon would be mad.
Second, in the exchange of mails you had with Gevlon, it was stated that he wanted the ships to be jammed, and he would pay for any killmail that showed ECM was used. In the end, there has been little proof presented that you did what he asked, which was use ECM. You then expected him to pay you for all of the mails when he never got what he asked for. That's essentially painting someones house fuschia when they asked for hot pink and then saying "well it looks similar" when they ask you why.
It seems as if you had left some expectations that were not met and when Gevlon said no, you decided to get back at him. Using loopholes in the agreement to excuse your actions.
But Gevlon isn't totally innocent either, from what i know about him, knee jerk reactions is what he does. And that's what he did. He should at least pay for the pod kills that you guys did get. I don't think he will though, which is unfortunate. Also, his blog post was terrible.
In the future i hope you make sure everyone agrees to the terms of the contract so that there's no misunderstandings. Also, if you think there is a conflict of interest with one party, you should probably check with the other as well, so you don't end up with another situation like this one.
-TBP |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1445
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Posted - 2014.04.30 16:39:00 -
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Turbo Badass Reloaded wrote:First, you stated that you asked the first contract if this was alright with them, I'm assuming that is because you saw that it could be a conflict of interest you would assume wrong
Our main BJ contract explicity had us attacking Goons during suicide ganks. I just did a quick courtesy check for a repeat client to make sure going after the Goons more aggressively (as Goblin wanted) wouldn't bother him. It didn't, he seemed pretty enthused about it actually.
Goblin's initial offer for an ECM jamming contract was declined (I'd never have accepted such a pointless contract because I understand suicide ganking mechanics from having fought CFC in Jita twice before). The counter offer of 2m/catalyst, 5m Brutix, 10m Talos, and 20% the value of the pods was accepted. This is clearly seen in the mails. Unless you're implying Goblin wanted us to jam pods to death? "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart." -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Pepizaur
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
3
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Posted - 2014.04.30 17:18:00 -
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I am shocked and appalled at this entire situation.
Who the **** would take a contract from gevlon in the first place?
..... I am such a *****. |
Fayral
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
13
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Posted - 2014.04.30 18:10:00 -
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/popcorn
chomp chomp chomp.
This has an enormous amount of fun-potential.
http://takingtangibles.wordpress.com/ - A blog detailing my adventures in EVE |
Joseph Soprano
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
6
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Posted - 2014.04.30 19:09:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Turbo Badass Reloaded wrote:First, you stated that you asked the first contract if this was alright with them, I'm assuming that is because you saw that it could be a conflict of interest you would assume wrong Our main BJ contract explicity had us attacking Goons during suicide ganks. I just did a quick courtesy check for a repeat client to make sure going after the Goons more aggressively (as Goblin wanted) wouldn't bother him. It didn't, he seemed pretty enthused about it actually. Goblin's initial offer for an ECM jamming contract was declined (I'd never have accepted such a pointless contract because I understand suicide ganking mechanics from having fought CFC in Jita twice before). The counter offer of 2m/catalyst, 5m Brutix, 10m Talos, and 20% the value of the pods was accepted. This is clearly seen in the mails. Unless you're implying Goblin wanted us to jam pods to death? EDIT: Gevlon Goblin has taken to blocking my responses to comment questions on that blog post. Should say it all really.
Now me not being an expert like Alek here but 'Our main BJ contract explicity had us attacking Goons during suicide ganks'. So you being allied with them you had to wait till they went criminal correct? So you being able to jam them would mean concorde would swiftly finish them off with no more damage to the goons target. How long does it take an interceptor to finish off a battlecruiser I think its more than 5-6 seconds so all you really did was ***** on kills. Well done Noir :)
I repeat 'Our main BJ contract explicity had us attacking Goons during suicide ganks'. Your delusional, the best way to stop a suicide gank is to ECM the attacker and let concorde finish them off not using interceptors. That is why YOU suggest using EAF in the mails.
Gevlon 'The plan would be to NOT be at war with Goons, forming up in Scorpions and Blackbirds and jamming out Goon Taloses and Brutixes when they go GCC, spoiling their ganks. '
Alek 'I'll accept a bounty contract on Goon suicide gankers but Scorps and BB's are a bit pedestrian for us. Much prefer to do things with EAF and be more mobile.'
From you own emails! EAF Electronic Attack Frigate Not Scorpions and blackbirds but .... kitsune. Unless you had another electronic attack frigate in mind I love to know which :) |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1446
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Posted - 2014.04.30 19:30:00 -
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Full quote:
Quote:I'll accept a bounty contract on Goon suicide gankers but Scorps and BB's are a bit pedestrian for us. Much prefer to do things with EAF and be more mobile. But we do things a little differently as you know ;p
As in ways that work. Attempting to jam a target after it's already fired in a .9 is pointless, especially Tornados/Talos/Brutix. Using AF/Interceptor teams to hit them at their safe spots you lower their ability to get setup and their max alpha.
You're also fast enough to follow them around allowing you to trigger kill rights before they shoot further reducing their damage and ability to coordinate fire.
And finally using inties you have a much higher chance of chasing and catching their pods after the gank which adds massively to the cost of the gank (Catalysts are 2m and given out for free, pods cost 20, 30, even 40m to replace and come out of the pilots wallet)
Goons started suicide ganking our frigate fleets to keep us off them. They left Gevlon's Orca untouched throughout the whole event. Lemmings didnt try to ECM anything. So out of those three methods, the one which caused Goons to change their strategy and spend resources to stop, the one which they ignored, and the one you're talking about which even your own alliance didnt use, which one do you think works best?
Again, 1900 dead CFC. 25B worth. Pew. "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart." -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Joseph Soprano
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
6
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Posted - 2014.04.30 20:07:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Full quote: Quote:I'll accept a bounty contract on Goon suicide gankers but Scorps and BB's are a bit pedestrian for us. Much prefer to do things with EAF and be more mobile. But we do things a little differently as you know ;p As in ways that work. Attempting to jam a target after it's already fired in a .9 is pointless, especially Tornados/Talos/Brutix. Using AF/Interceptor teams to hit them at their safe spots you lower their ability to get setup and their max alpha. You're also fast enough to follow them around allowing you to trigger kill rights before they shoot further reducing their damage and ability to coordinate fire. And finally using inties you have a much higher chance of chasing and catching their pods after the gank which adds massively to the cost of the gank (Catalysts are 2m and given out for free, pods cost 20, 30, even 40m to replace and come out of the pilots wallet) Goons started suicide ganking our frigate fleets to keep us off them. They left Gevlon's Orca untouched throughout the whole event. Lemmings didnt try to ECM anything. So out of those three methods, the one which caused Goons to change their strategy and spend resources to stop, the one which they ignored, and the one you're talking about which even your own alliance didnt use, which one do you think works best? Again, 1900 dead CFC. 25B worth. Pew.
I had to switch to an alt to ecm as some mercs were shooting lemmings so I WAS ecming quite well thank you. Also were there three contracts because on your podcast at about the 38th minute you state the you had a contact to shoot the guys shooting goons. So doesn't that make three contracts? 1.The 'main' one shooting goons 2.Gevlons contract 3.and the one 'shooting the guys' shooting goonswarm contract (38 min on the podcast)
So you stating you were going to use EAF as opposed to Blackbirds and scorpions in the contract negotiations was never going to happen and that you were just stringing him along for what purpose exactly? Also you seem to have ignored your main contract 'Our main BJ contract explicity had us attacking Goons during suicide ganks' because 'Attempting to jam a target after it's already fired in a .9 is pointless' even more so is firing on them |
Jai Centarium
Anqara Expeditions
26
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Posted - 2014.04.30 20:11:00 -
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WTB Freighter Full of Popcorn Contract to me in Scolluzer. I'm a little teapot, short and stout. |
Wrathful Penguins
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
37
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Posted - 2014.04.30 20:27:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:http://noirmercs.com/content.php?3455-Burn-Goblin
The full story, complete with mail dumps from Goblin. You scam mercs you dont get privacy, you get the sunlight.
Also confirmed I am some guy in Noir. Clearly the contracts were not conflicting. If you want exclusive service you put that in your contract and you pay for it. |
Joseph Soprano
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
6
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Posted - 2014.04.30 20:53:00 -
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Wrathful Penguins wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:http://noirmercs.com/content.php?3455-Burn-Goblin
The full story, complete with mail dumps from Goblin. You scam mercs you dont get privacy, you get the sunlight.
Also confirmed I am some guy in Noir. Clearly the contracts were not conflicting. If you want exclusive service you put that in your contract and you pay for it.
Minute 38 of the podcast Two contract 1. Shoot Goons 2. Shoot guys shooting guying
You can't see a conflict?
Minute 38 of the podcast 'Neither employer seeing this as a conflict of interest?' Alek - 'No' (However only one knew about the other) |
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Joseph Soprano
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
6
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Posted - 2014.04.30 20:55:00 -
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Double Post. |
Kaea Astridsson
Yggdrasil Woodchoppers Noir. Mercenary Group
26
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Posted - 2014.04.30 21:10:00 -
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Entity A says, shoot B for us would ya? Entity C says, shoot A pretty please.
Only entity here I see that could argue conflict would be A, which it seems in this case was OK with it. Turned out C just didn't like B getting shot and never chose to mention that part prior to dealings.
Just my take from reading both sides. Either way, BJ3 was a ton o fun. |
Joseph Soprano
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
6
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Posted - 2014.04.30 21:58:00 -
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Kaea Astridsson wrote:Entity A says, shoot B for us would ya? Entity C says, shoot A pretty please.
Only entity here I see that could argue conflict would be A, which it seems in this case was OK with it. Turned out C just didn't like B getting shot and never chose to mention that part prior to dealings.
Just my take from reading both sides. Either way, BJ3 was a ton o fun.
I respect your opinion however wouldn't it have been better to inform BOTH clients potential conflict of interest rather than just one? Also it would have been better that when the question of a conflict of interest arose on the podcast that he told the truth as opposed to lying. It is just my opinion that your leaders tried to act 'clever' by playing two sides against each other to get more isk. Trying to be clever with your contracts doesn't seem a good way to maintain a reputation built on trust. I'm sure future clients will read your contracts and think what scam could Noir pull on them. This is my last word on the matter. Since your leadership seems to think they have been hard done by I expect to see you in the next couple of weeks to come. Apparently they have decided B and C more closely linked than they previously thought. Lol.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1446
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Posted - 2014.04.30 21:59:00 -
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Joseph Soprano wrote:
I had to switch to an alt to ecm as some mercs were shooting lemmings so I WAS ecming quite well thank you. Also were there three contracts because on your podcast at about the 38th minute you state the you had a contract to shoot the guys shooting goons. So doesn't that make three contracts? 1.The 'main' one shooting goons. 2.Gevlons contract 3.and the one 'shooting the guys' shooting goonswarm contract (38 min on the podcast).
1 and 3 is the same contract. I know this is very difficult to follow, but we got hired BY THE SAME PERSON to shoot ganking CFCers
AND
wait for it
AND shoot people war decing GSF. At the same time. Like one after the other after the other. All weekend.
It's a difficult concept but some players like to watch ships blow up and the more the better. We delivered on that contract and went over the top on punishing/harassing GSF fleets for Goblin. It's ironic he thinks Goonswarm hired us, a notoriously scammy alliance, yet Goblin is behaving like a Goon recruitment officer. "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart." -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Wrathful Penguins
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
37
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Posted - 2014.04.30 23:12:00 -
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Joseph Soprano wrote:Wrathful Penguins wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:http://noirmercs.com/content.php?3455-Burn-Goblin
The full story, complete with mail dumps from Goblin. You scam mercs you dont get privacy, you get the sunlight.
Also confirmed I am some guy in Noir. Clearly the contracts were not conflicting. If you want exclusive service you put that in your contract and you pay for it. Minute 38 of the podcast Two contracts 1. Shoot Goons 2. Shoot guys shooting goons You can't see a conflict? No, I can't see a conflict there. You're confusing "inflict maximum damage on A yourself" with "assist B in inflicting maximum damage on A". They were hired to do the first, not the second. They can shoot both A and B, especially given the offended party is a member of C and not related to either A or B.
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:15:00 -
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A quote from Noir's site:
Quote:When NMG is hired to do a job, whatever that job may be, there are parameters. Those parameters differ with every contract. One time it may be that we're only allowed to count any kills made within a certain area. Maybe we're only able to count kills from a certain organization, or maybe we're simply hired to make life for the occupants as difficult as possible. To even have a hope of accomplishing any of these parameters, there is a ton of planning, coordination, and effort involved. The logistics of moving an entire alliance every few weeks to accomplish drastically different goals each time is not something to be taken for granted. Once the "boots hit the ground", the work hasn't just begun - it's simply one step in the process, and one of the last step, I might add. At the end of the contract, the true test of a mercenary's worth is how pleased the employer is.
I am so pleased with the honesty, straightforwardness and proficiency of Noir during our Burn Jita contract that I just placed 20B bounty (about 10x more than these fine mercenaries want from me) on their titan. EVE-O post about the bounty comes when Chribba (or other trusted third party) verifies my deposit of the 20B.
I fully recommend hiring Noir if you consider it OK to
- Disclose your contract with the target
- Ask the permission of the target to take it
- Officially allying with the target (using the in-game ally join in war feature)
- Kill your own alt trying to do the job, saving a target in deep armor
- Not doing any harm to the target, just whoring on Concord kills with 1-2% damage, just as the target approved
But maybe the quote has a honest mistype and should read "the true test of a mercenary's worth is how pleased the target is". This case they are the most awesome mercs in EVE since Powers (Goon leader in Burn Jita, Goons were the contract target) is praising and defending their conduct on every forum like he was their lawyer.
Edit: to save you the time commenting: YES, I'M MAD!!! My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5586
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:19:00 -
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Goblin brings a whole new definition to the word "butthurt". "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1447
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:30:00 -
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I recommend working for Goblin if you want increasingly inventive reasons why he won't pay you once you're done. "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart." -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2014.05.01 05:11:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:I recommend working for Goblin if you want increasingly inventive reasons why he won't pay you once you're done.
Yes. I so don't want to pay you 2B that I rather pay 20B to get your titan killed. I definitely just want to keep my money here. Maybe you should ask your spiritual leader how to respond.
Oh wait, you can't, Ripard got him banned. My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5588
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Posted - 2014.05.01 05:15:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:I recommend working for Goblin if you want increasingly inventive reasons why he won't pay you once you're done. Yes. I so don't want to pay you 2B that I rather pay 20B to get your titan killed. I definitely just want to keep my money here. Maybe you should ask your spiritual leader how to respond. Oh wait, you can't, Ripard got him banned.
Swing and a miss. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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