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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.10.07 07:14:00 -
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Seeing http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=2428 and constantly getting this:
bongpacks wrote:Neuts in C2 space are almost non-existant for the regular anomalies save for a couple frigates here and there and one neuting BS in data sanctuaries. The mag and radar sites have a bit more neuts. Passive drake can do this without a prop mod, do a hair more DPS and not die even if it manages to get capped out.
I think that it is clear. Drakes are over powered.
Scan the system? -> 5 M Salvaging and hacking? -> 100 M Living in the system? -> 1 500 M For everything else -> there is a Drake.
Proposed changes
Low Slots - 3
Med Slots - 6
High slots - 8 Launchers - 6 Turrets - 4
Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 5% shield resistance and 5% bonus kinetic damage of heavy missiles and heavy assault missiles per level Medium Hybrid Blaster specialisation: 7.5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to shield resistance per level. CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.07 07:28:00 -
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Wrong forum section dude, Developer blue bars only monitor Features and Ideas discussion thread. The blue bars here are only trollers lol.
And Fallout.... totally not a troll.. don't want to get on her bad side.. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.10.07 07:42:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:And Fallout.... totally not a troll.. don't want to get on her bad side..
Actually, you can discuss something for general opinion before you take it to the serious forum.
Quote:There is three ships and they neut, so the OP wants the whole ship nerfed
No. It is the clearest indicator that brought this to my attention. What is the best battle cruiser by far than any other? Most damage? Some hurricanes, some harbingers, all good drakes because they only use one or two weapons of a set size. Biggest tank? Drakes.
So they are top for damage, top for tank and can pull off a really good passive tank.
That extra mid slot is exponentially better.
(Tangent note: You can fit Large and X-large shield boosters to battle cruisers but have you ever tried to fit a Large armour repair to one? Duel rep? Oops there goes another low slot that the shield tanks don't have to pay!) CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |
Cypermethren
Hardcore p0wnography Cascade Probable
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Posted - 2011.10.07 07:47:00 -
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Dear OP.
Wormholes.. C2....
Wormholes go up to C6.
Try taking that drake into a C3 or up and see just how far you get......
Let me give you a hint - you'll be in a pod before you can scream "oh ****"
It may be that you've spent all you're eve-time in a C2 wormhole. There is alot, ALOT more in the eve universe, and the Drakes and other pretty ships in game arnt overpowered because you take a Ferrari to a go-cart race. A C2 is meant to be incredibly easy, as like the C1 - its designed to introduce you to wormholes and the mechanics of them. IE - new players that can only fly a frig or cruiser = the difficulty of a C1/C2 is PERFECT for them.
If you need a challenge, move to a C3.
Also, Blasters/Hybrids are Gallente. Drake is Caldari.
And, you're mastercard/drake skit failed miserably, it makes no sense and is not teh funnies. Please try again. |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.07 07:59:00 -
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Also the Ferox and Rokh are Gallente ships. They just look like they are Caldari. |
Sassums
Wormhole Exploration Crew Night Sky Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.07 08:00:00 -
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Even in a C3 you really need to know what you are doing to solo some of the sleeper sites.
Never forget you have other people that get connected to the hole you could be running sites in, wait for the opportune moment (such as when you finish killing the last sleeper) and come in and blast you.
Yes Drakes have an amazing tank and I enjoy flying mine, but that doesn't mean they are indestructible or over powered. |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.07 08:12:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Wrong forum section dude, Developer blue bars only monitor Features and Ideas discussion thread. The blue bars here are only trollers lol.
And Fallout.... totally not a troll.. don't want to get on her bad side..
I'll pretend I didn't see it.
Still, this thread is more suitable for this forum section rather than EVE General Discussion.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.10.07 08:14:00 -
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Cypermethren wrote: Try taking that drake into a C3 or up and see just how far you get...... .
Wrong
Corp mate's ship
- 7x Heavy Missile Launcher I (I don't know why he isn't using Meta) - 1x Drone Link Augmentor - 2x Large Shield Extender II - 3x Shield Recharger - 1x Invulnerability Field II - 4x Shield Power Relay II - 3x Medium Core Defence Field Purger I - 5x Hobgoblin II
As you can see a pretty horrible fit. He does Druze solo. I have just tried to help him in the C3 and had to keep warping in and out. I agree it should take a battle ship or a T3. He stayed in, didn't break a sweat and did way more damage than I did. CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |
Gempei
Siberian Khatru.
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Posted - 2011.10.07 08:20:00 -
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Do you fly a Drake? I guess no. Drake is not overpowered and passive tank has high price (using all rig slots, low slots and mid slots for tank, crap dps, high need for skills). |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.10.07 09:24:00 -
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1444 volley is nothing to be sniffed at.
Here:
Drake 1 & Drake 2
[Drake, Kill them all] Damage Control II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Medium Shield Booster II Target Painter II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Fulmination Rage Assault Missile E50 Prototype Energy Vampire
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Hobgoblin II x5
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[Drake, Passive standard] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Missile Launcher I, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Drone Link Augmentor I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Hobgoblin II x5
Cyclone
[Cyclone, Alternative for: Cyclone C1/C2 WH] Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster Dread Guristas Photon Scattering Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M E50 Prototype Energy Vampire E50 Prototype Energy Vampire
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Hammerhead II x4
Drake 1
296 / 352 (vamp means it won't run dry) 443 DPS / 1355 volley (EFT)
Drake 2
799 / 799 constant defence 225 DPS / 1444 volley (EFT)
Cyclone
119 / 590 (tank sacrifice and has to pulse it, so can't sustain) 389 DPS / 579 Volley __________________________
So ... the first Drake does way more damage and the second drake has way more tank. The first Drake will probably have more tank over time than the Cyclone.
P.S. Did you notice it was a Dread Guristas tank? CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |
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cornholio508
Berserking Roid Beavers Damned Nation
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Posted - 2011.10.07 11:37:00 -
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Gempei wrote:Do you fly a Drake? I guess no. Drake is not overpowered and passive tank has high price (using all rig slots, low slots and mid slots for tank, crap dps, high need for skills).
Sorry but yes DRAKES ARE OVERPOWERED . Every other races bc's are extremely weak when it come to comparing them with drakes . A drake can do just as much dps as other races battleships and can also if fitted properly have way more ehp than them as well .
A friend in my alliance has a drake that does 1000dps per volley and a passive tank that gives him 113,000 ehp . My faction fitted navy apoc with a omni tank of 85% resists and 1000 dps per volley and a 90,000 ehp on the other hand still doesnt come close to the drake . Since amarr ships only have 2 damage types that is reduced depending on races we fight in missions . It takes less time to be efficient in a drake and a drake can solo lvl4 missions . However other races usually have to go t3 ships or go for battle ships since their battle cruisers are only useful in close quarters and pvp , and have serious capacitor issues along with bad tanks .
To make things worse you dont even need to target anything . Get some fov ammo and away you go if you get jammed . The drake itself has an unfair advantage over every other races battle cruisers and is overpowered when compared to them . |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.10.07 12:05:00 -
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I think Drakes are possibly the most well balanced ship in the game and that the other races need to have looking at.
The hurricane is probably the closest in terms of equally balanced however the other two races are in dire need of looking at.
Gallente need blasters to work properly and the Harbi could use a larger CPU grid.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.10.07 12:52:00 -
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cornholio508 wrote:A drake can do just as much dps as other races battleships and can also if fitted properly have way more ehp than them as well .
Uh, no.
Quote:A friend in my alliance has a drake that does 1000dps per volley and a passive tank that gives him 113,000 ehp . My faction fitted navy apoc with a omni tank of 85% resists and 1000 dps per volley and a 90,000 ehp on the other hand still doesnt come close to the drake.
Because we know your Apoc doesn't shoot faster than a Drake, right?
tl;dr you are bad at this. Stop. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.10.07 12:53:00 -
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[Drake, Drake direct compare]
Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II
Dread Guristas Photon Scattering Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Heat Dissipation Amplifier Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile E50 Prototype Energy Vampire
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Capacitor Safeguard I
Hobgoblin II x5
Dread Gurista Drake, as close to the Cyclone as possible.
427 DPS / 485 OH 91 / 859 DPS defence 60 000 eHP EM - 80% Kn - 81% Th - 82% Ex - 84%
CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2011.10.07 13:08:00 -
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If there is going to be anything done involving a "New Drake" I suggest a T2 Drake (which for you smart enough to catch on, would also mean T2 Hurricane, Myrmidon and Harbinger). "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Laechyd Eldgorn
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.10.07 13:18:00 -
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great drake fits
which can be permatanked with flycatcher good job
keep it going dont lose the track there, you're definetly getting into it |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.10.07 13:30:00 -
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Laechyd Eldgorn wrote:great drake fits
Pity I won't use any of them.
Last one in case someone wants to try it for me
[Drake, Shield tank T2]
Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Overdrive Injector System II
Dread Guristas Magnetic Scattering Amplifier Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Domination Heat Dissipation Amplifier Domination Shield Boost Amplifier Republic Fleet Shield Boost Amplifier Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Havoc Fury Heavy Missile E50 Prototype Energy Vampire
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defence Capacitor Safeguard I
Hobgoblin II x5
Even with the Invulnerability and the Dread Booster, I figure that it is a heck of a lot cheaper than a Tengu and not so far from the bottom to mid level ones.
Stable at 98% Lasts 2 min on the booster 485 DPS OH 56 950 eHP 86 / 761 DPS defence with 960 OH
79 - 82% resists
CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.10.07 13:50:00 -
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Why the Havoc Fury instead of Scourge Fury? Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Quark Valhala
Empirius Enigmus Navy C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2011.10.07 15:05:00 -
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Get back on track. Drake needs nerf. I Think its bull poo that a Drake can kite and hit 70k with heavy missiles and still have a bullshittank A cane maybe have more dps but if you fit 720 you will have bad tank and **** dps on long range.
In a Drake load kinetick missels and win.
+1 for nerf of drake (dont make this game Drake online) |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.07 15:22:00 -
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So just to be clear, you want to balance the Drake (a Caldari ship) around PvE?
Priorities man. Priorities. |
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TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.07 15:26:00 -
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Adapt or die crybabys |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.10.07 15:59:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Why the Havoc Fury instead of Scourge Fury?
Armour damage. Sleepers only have armour and hull. No shields. CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.10.07 16:08:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Ingvar Angst wrote:Why the Havoc Fury instead of Scourge Fury? Armour damage. Sleepers only have armour and hull. No shields.
I'd have to see numbers... I thought they were omni-tanked regardless. You're saying it's worth giving up the kinetic bonuses Drakes have? Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Zyress
Deaths Head Brigade Slammer's Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.07 16:34:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:If there is going to be anything done involving a "New Drake" I suggest a T2 Drake (which for you smart enough to catch on, would also mean T2 Hurricane, Myrmidon and Harbinger).
Those are called Command ships |
Zyress
Deaths Head Brigade Slammer's Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.07 16:41:00 -
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Drakes are very good at pve, they're ok at pvp, if your battleship can't take one though you're doing something wrong |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.10.07 17:07:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Quote:Damage Types Sleepers do omni damage. Missiles do two types and their lasers do the other two types. This means you will need to set up your ship for balanced resists.
Tentative Sleeper resists: Armor is 70/70/70/70 with Structure being 0/0/0/0.
On the surface, I'd say you're better off keeping the bonuses you get for kinetic.
I am not going to go into the technical on this with graphs and such. I don't know which is better for a Drake. For a Cyclone, the Havocs are better:
Base Shield Damage - 76.8 Base Armour Damage - 172.8
Scourge Base shield Damage - 115.2 -(default for people as it is an all round missile but sleepers have no shields) Base Armour Damage - 144.0 CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.10.07 17:07:00 -
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Ugh. double post tired. CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |
Obsidiana
White-Noise
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Posted - 2011.10.07 19:25:00 -
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Show me the numbers:Mr Peanut420 wrote:For September 2011 on evekill
RankShipsKills 1Hurricane151381 2Drake117878 ... Reference: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=121909
I'm sorry, while I know the Drake is the second most flown ship after the Hulk, it is not the iWinButton. Since fewer Hurricanes are flown than Drakes, but the kills are higher, that really shows the power of each ship.
The number of Drakes flown shows one thing: Caldari ships are still popular. Caldari space is the most populated. There are more Caldari than any other race. Changing the Drake will not change any of this.
The Drake is fine. Go fly a Hurricane. |
Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2011.10.07 21:11:00 -
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Just a few things for the OP
Yes a Drake can tank like you wouldn't believe, but you sacrifice firepower to do it, btw a shield Mrym can out tank the Drake.
Volley damage is not DPS, standard cycle on a missile launcher is between approx 8 & 10 seconds, divide volley damage by rate of fire for DPS (the clue is in the acronym, Damage Per Second)
The kinetic damage bonus on the Drake generally means that, unless whatever you're shooting at is specifically tanked against kinetic damage, you're better off sticking with scourge or scourge fury missiles. Sleepers are not specifically tanked against kinetic, in fact they don't give a toss what you throw at them because they have 70%+ resists across the board, ergo use the Drakes kinetic bonus to increase the damage output.
A truly passive Drake wouldn't use an invul, if you're capped out and using an invul your resists drop considerably when it stops running, you still get a slight resist boost from an inactive invul but it's not a lot, somewhere in the region of 15% depending on skills.
Hmmm @ Faction/officer fit Drakes, plenty of people love them, the loot is nearly as good as the tears --CATPAIN KIRK wrote: your not black - I've seen you in that video. I meant you write like an american but speak a somewhat difrent langauge - a bit like scotish or sumthing.-- |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2011.10.07 21:12:00 -
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Nerf the Drake. Nerf the Hurricane. Nerf all tier 2 BCs.
They're too common. They obsolete tier 1 BCs, cruisers and close-range HACs like the Deimos and Sacrilege. Nerf them to tier 1 levels and let's get some variety back, rather than just another tier 2 BC blob. |
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