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Aron Binchiette
Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.21 07:25:00 -
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Any one know when they are going to be doing the HAC rebalance? |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.21 07:32:00 -
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Probably winter next year? Maybe. Battlecruisers, battleships, and maybe T1 industrials are up next. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Dibblerette
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
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Posted - 2012.12.21 08:44:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Probably winter next year? Maybe. Battlecruisers, battleships, and maybe T1 industrials are up next. Industrials will be interesting, but yeah, I believe they should be getting to those by the Summer 2013 expansion. Winter 2013 might be capitals, which would probably be a patch of it's own, so it might not be until SUMMER 2014, which is awful. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.21 09:38:00 -
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Dibblerette wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Probably winter next year? Maybe. Battlecruisers, battleships, and maybe T1 industrials are up next. Industrials will be interesting, but yeah, I believe they should be getting to those by the Summer 2013 expansion. Winter 2013 might be capitals, which would probably be a patch of it's own, so it might not be until SUMMER 2014, which is awful. I don't think it will take that long. There are only 12 battlecruiser, 12 battleships, 8 regular capitals and 8 super capitals... for a total of 40 or so ships left on the list of Tech 1 ships (excluding industrial ships). That's about the same number of ships that have been rebalanced in the last 1 and a half expansions (some frigs were worked over during summer).
There is a good chance Tech 2 and faction ships will be worked over by winter next year.
THEN AGAIN... this IS CCP we're talking about. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.12.21 09:45:00 -
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At least the entire lineup of battleships doesn't need changing rather than a few particular ones. The hyperion and raven especially need some help. |
Danny John-Peter
New Eden Renegades Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2012.12.21 09:48:00 -
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Smabs wrote:At least the entire lineup of battleships doesn't need changing rather than a few particular ones. The hyperion and raven especially need some help.
Hyperion is pretty bawler tbh, can't say it needs much changing. |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.12.21 09:50:00 -
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It's cool but it's pretty expensive and not all that much better than a mega because of the weird slot layout. Of course you can shield tank it but then it wastes a bonus. The hype could probably do with having a slot moved or by having the rep bonus changed to something else. |
Hidden Snake
Genco Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:04:00 -
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Smabs wrote:It's cool but it's pretty expensive and not all that much better than a mega because of the weird slot layout. Of course you can shield tank it but then it wastes a bonus. The hype could probably do with having a slot moved or by having the rep bonus changed to something else.
Hyperion is not fleet BS in its best role ... u just have to keep that in mind and it is very good. Raven is well ... kinda broken and very very situational, but it is more problem of ****** up cruise missiles and with missile skills applying to torps now I have to check the torp raven again.
I believe BSs dont need that much fixing or reshuffling .... just little tune.
HACs are now kinda useless compared to their t1 brethrens and navycruisers are also hard to justify (except for SFI). IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:07:00 -
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Oh, yeah I'm not saying that the hype is bad at all. Just that even as a solo or small gang ship its bonuses and slot layout don't match up too well. |
Hidden Snake
Genco Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:14:00 -
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Smabs wrote:Oh, yeah I'm not saying that the hype is bad at all. Just that even as a solo or small gang ship its bonuses and slot layout don't match up too well.
well to shine u have to link boost it (as many other stuff in eve). Problem is in actual LAR II setup. It is hard to get functional active armor tanked BS in this days of ASB.
we had fight with 2 hypes recently and they were tanking pretty good. and midlosts allow u tto do some ewar counter ewar magic.
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Smabs
Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:22:00 -
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Yeah, true. More specifically you need to fit 2 large reps to get any sort of decent tank, which only leaves four slots for resists or damage. The mega actually has a better slot layout for repping while being way cheaper. That's why I think it'd be better to move 1 mid down to a low slot for the hype, or otherwise change the repping bonus to something else.
The hybrid buff helped a lot since you can get ions and a full fit onto it pretty easy now while being able to hit out decently far with null. |
Jo Kiyoko
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:26:00 -
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The cruiser tier is the most expanded upon in terms of ship hulls, it's going to take a while. |
Bouh Revetoile
Barricade.
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Posted - 2012.12.21 11:02:00 -
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Smabs wrote:Yeah, true. More specifically you need to fit 2 large reps to get any sort of decent tank, which only leaves four slots for resists or damage. The mega actually has a better slot layout for repping while being way cheaper. That's why I think it'd be better to move 1 mid down to a low slot for the hype, or otherwise change the repping bonus to something else.
The hybrid buff helped a lot since you can get ions and a full fit onto it pretty easy now while being able to hit out decently far with null. IMO the problem is more about active armor tanking and armor vs shield balance than about the slot layout.
There's no point at making the hyperion a second megathron BTW, and the 5 mid slot allow for either a lot of utility if armor tanked or a shield tank. |
Anemonae Ambrosia
Royal Order of Security Specialists Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.21 17:06:00 -
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I can't wait that long for T2s to get balanced. This whole process is just ******** slow |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
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Posted - 2012.12.21 18:23:00 -
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Anemonae Ambrosia wrote:I can't wait that long for T2s to get balanced. This whole process is just ******** slow haste makes waste. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Hephaestus LLC Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2012.12.21 18:36:00 -
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Anemonae Ambrosia wrote:I can't wait that long for T2s to get balanced. This whole process is just ******** slow
Then if CCP rushes it and somehow borks it, people will ***** and whine. It's really for the best for you to be patient. "My hotdrop was bigger."
"Accidental cyno best cyno." |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.21 18:55:00 -
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If there is one thing that you should know about CCP. Its that they cant do anything right when rushed.
Id rather wait then have broken mechanics forced on us. But then CCP has never been good about that either. So you might get the HAC rebalance sooner then you think. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2012.12.21 23:23:00 -
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Kusum Fawn wrote:If there is one thing that you should know about CCP. Its that they cant do anything right when rushed.
Id rather wait then have broken mechanics forced on us. But then CCP has never been good about that either. So you might get the HAC rebalance sooner then you think.
The painful thing is that in some cases, T1 hulls are now better than their T2 equivalents. Exploration frigates, for instance. I'd feel kinda silly diving into low-sec or a wormhole in a T2 Buzzard, when the T1 Heron is in many ways better.
Same with T1 Caracal, vs the faction Navy Caracal or the T2 Cerberus. Sure, the later two are still better, but only very marginally so, which isn't how CCP ever intended the game to be.
At least when boosting each T1 hull, CCP ought to also give their T2 and faction equivalents a tentative and provisional boost, maybe just an extra slot here and there, or a slightly bigger bonus (increase a 5%/lvl to 6%/lvl or 7.5%/lvl), while still being very explicit about this being a temporary thing and that they'll be looked at more closely at a later date.
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Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
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Posted - 2012.12.21 23:58:00 -
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Smabs wrote:It's cool but it's pretty expensive and not all that much better than a mega because of the weird slot layout. Of course you can shield tank it but then it wastes a bonus. The hype could probably do with having a slot moved or by having the rep bonus changed to something else.
People will want to disagree but you are right. The missing low slot seriously hurts the Hyp's active tank. Unless you faction/deadspace fit it then most of the time a megathron will win a straight up slug fest using a brick build. |
Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
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Posted - 2012.12.22 00:07:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Kusum Fawn wrote:If there is one thing that you should know about CCP. Its that they cant do anything right when rushed.
Id rather wait then have broken mechanics forced on us. But then CCP has never been good about that either. So you might get the HAC rebalance sooner then you think. The painful thing is that in some cases, T1 hulls are now better than their T2 equivalents. Exploration frigates, for instance. I'd feel kinda silly diving into low-sec or a wormhole in a T2 Buzzard, when the T1 Heron is in many ways better. Same with T1 Caracal, vs the faction Navy Caracal or the T2 Cerberus. Sure, the later two are still better, but only very marginally so, which isn't how CCP ever intended the game to be. At least when boosting each T1 hull, CCP ought to also give their T2 and faction equivalents a tentative and provisional boost, maybe just an extra slot here and there, or a slightly bigger bonus (increase a 5%/lvl to 6%/lvl or 7.5%/lvl), while still being very explicit about this being a temporary thing and that they'll be looked at more closely at a later date.
They are re-balancing EVERY ship.
Also some T2 ships haven't changed since they where released and have been trash since release (Eagle anyone?). I think half the point of buffing T1 ships first is seeing how certain hulls react to having a new role and slot layout change. If ships like the moa prove to be effective (which btw it IS... that thing is a beast with blasters and an ASB) then the T2 rebalance will likely involve become a more tanked and easier to fit version of the T1 ship with added bonuses to really specialise it.
Speculation: Both the Muninn and the Deimos will have a hi-slot moved to a mid slot and gain another lo slot. |
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bubble trout
Sky Fighters Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.12.22 00:37:00 -
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Salpad wrote: The painful thing is that in some cases, T1 hulls are now better than their T2 equivalents. Exploration frigates, for instance. I'd feel kinda silly diving into low-sec or a wormhole in a T2 Buzzard, when the T1 Heron is in many ways better.
What exactly are you smoking? |
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.12.22 01:11:00 -
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Smabs wrote:It's cool but it's pretty expensive and not all that much better than a mega because of the weird slot layout. Of course you can shield tank it but then it wastes a bonus. The hype could probably do with having a slot moved or by having the rep bonus changed to something else.
By this logic the geddon could use some mid-slot love too...just reversed Oderint Dum Metuant |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.12.22 04:38:00 -
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Quote:By this logic the geddon could use some mid-slot love too...just reversed
By what logic? And why would it mean that the geddon needs an extra mid? |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.22 07:13:00 -
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They just rebalanced more than 40 ships in a few months, it won't take that long.
Especially since they've already blogged about what they want to do with BC's and BS's, and quite a few battleships won't be getting changed much. |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.22 11:16:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:Anemonae Ambrosia wrote:I can't wait that long for T2s to get balanced. This whole process is just ******** slow haste makes waste. no lazyness takes time
so what if they fail with balancing if they do it quickly? they can fix that quickly too what if they take the time and still fail at balancing maybe your grandchild can see the next balance patch .... time doesnt mean it will be done right , it just means you have to wait too long to play with your toy
btw did anybody look at those t1 cruisers/frigs to see if they are balanced to eachother or not? just let us know what to expect, continue of the winmatard trend or other races can get their fare share this time |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2012.12.22 11:29:00 -
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As soon as they built the current balancing team, things started happening not only fast, but with rather stellar quality.
This last rebalancing passes is one of the best things ever happened to EVE, and I have full confidence that the same guys will give us the rest of the ships as soon as possible. Needless to say that balancing ships is much more involved process than simply giving a slot here and remove one there, and adjusting some stats.
And like written above and in dev blogs, they are already at work.
Furthermore I'm perfectly happy flying my T2 ships as they are now.
I tried to remove this sig. |
Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.12.22 12:07:00 -
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Salpad wrote:[quote=Kusum Fawn]If there is one thing that you should know about CCP.
The painful thing is that in some cases, T1 hulls are now better than their T2 equivalents. Exploration frigates, for instance. I'd feel kinda silly diving into low-sec or a wormhole in a T2 Buzzard, when the T1 Heron is in many ways better.
Confirming that Sky Fighters has discarded all their T2 scanning frigs in lieu of the superior t1 versions May you be one with Bob |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2012.12.22 13:59:00 -
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Relax and be patient.
It's already way better than it used to be. Most t2 ships are still useful if a tad overpriced (EW ships in particular, but HACs too). While they've been hurt by the T1 cruiser buff, they've been helped by the drake/cane nerfs and will be helped even more when Tier 2 battlecruisers lose that slot.
After 80+% of tech 1 ships being completely useless since I started playing, I'm perfectly OK with a few T2 ships being slightly underwhelming for a little while. |
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.12.22 14:29:00 -
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Smabs wrote:Quote:By this logic the geddon could use some mid-slot love too...just reversed By what logic? And why would it mean that the geddon needs an extra mid?
Cause it would be fukin awesome Oderint Dum Metuant |
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