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Xanos Blackpaw
Inadeptus Mechanicus
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Posted - 2012.12.21 12:30:00 -
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Anyone else feel the AI is a bit 'to' drone aggressive? I know its meant so you cant completely AFK missions anymore in a domi, but having full aggro in a apoc and releasing a flight of hammers shouldnt pop three of them before they take out a cruiser.
There are three ways to solve this:
Give us way bigger drone bays and cheaper drones.
or
Turn the drone aggro waaaay down. |
Syrias Bizniz
Carnivore Company
55
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Posted - 2012.12.21 12:46:00 -
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What i have seen so far (not in missions, though) regarding NPCs killing drones:
If there is a Hammerhead on field, they will shoot the hammerheads.
So, maybe get a Federation Navy Hammerhead (more HP than t1 or t2), put some reps on it (already made a hobgoblin tank stageaggro in a Mordu's) and throw it out while using 4 hobs or berserkers to kill cruisers. |
Freyya
Thunderbears Jovian Empire
37
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Posted - 2012.12.21 14:02:00 -
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Afaik npcs still shoot abandoned drones so drop a drone, abandon, rep and use your other drones. Could be that they switch to damage dealing drones though, probably... |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
293
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Posted - 2012.12.21 16:13:00 -
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Xanos Blackpaw wrote:There are three ways to solve this:
Indeed, and they are:
1) Buy a Drake and/or Tengu, just like everyone else.
2) Take up a new career. Mining is a good way to get the most out of your Netflix membership.
3) Unsub from EvE.
I went with three myself, but I was also on the 3-month cycle thing so I've still got a while to see if CCP can unfook this mess. I'm not holding my breath, though.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
450
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Posted - 2012.12.21 16:23:00 -
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Use smaller drones. I believe the Dec 17th patch reduced the agressive nature of drones. The patch notes state:
NPC
NPCs will now only target drones in their size category.
Elite frigates and cruisers NPCs will go for small drones and above. Frigates and Cruisers NPCs will go for medium drones and above. Battleship NPCs will go for large drones.
Now if you want the pre-patch ai, harden up. This was a nice change and makes missioning more fun. Sorry your isk faucet was reduced, deal with it. But it seems to be an improvement over the initial release where all npcs would switch to a light drone and pop it. You can pop the larger rats with your guns, use light drones on smaller targets, and just manage your drones. |
Perihelion Olenard
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.12.21 16:31:00 -
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I don't know why there's so much complaining about the AI targeting drones in missions. It's not nearly as bad as people say it is. It's rare for me to lose a drone in level 4s. I'm sick of level 4s for other reasons. I wear my sunglasses at night. |
Deacon Abox
Genstar Inc Villore Accords
17
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Posted - 2012.12.21 18:06:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote: Now if you want the pre-patch ai, harden up. This was a nice change and makes missioning more fun. Sorry your isk faucet was reduced, deal with it. But it seems to be an improvement over the initial release where all npcs would switch to a light drone and pop it. You can pop the larger rats with your guns, use light drones on smaller targets, and just manage your drones. Ah, well, so you won't mind when they finally get around to having TD affect missiles too. Because the occasional npc defender missile was never much of a problem. |
Farsight Incursion
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.12.21 18:52:00 -
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Xanos Blackpaw wrote:Anyone else feel the AI is a bit 'to' drone aggressive? I know its meant so you cant completely AFK missions anymore in a domi, but having full aggro in a apoc and releasing a flight of hammers shouldnt pop three of them before they take out a cruiser.
There are three ways to solve this:
Give us way bigger drone bays and cheaper drones.
or
Turn the drone aggro waaaay down.
Well I Just ran a few L4 Security missions and my last one was "Vengeance" which god knows how many Frigs/Elite Frigs/BC/Desy/and BS it has and I was using only t1 Hobs. I lost a few in the first room but that was my mistake. I aggroed the full room buy bad tactics ( I did notice that 2 of the BS at 56km were trying to shoot at my Drones even tho I was not aggroed to them, but they couldnt even hit one of them). That being said I learned from my mistakes in the first room and I did not make the same mistake in the second room. Cleared the second room no problem. I only lost 3 T1Hobs for that mission. |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
61
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Posted - 2012.12.22 07:29:00 -
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Put a target painter on your ship. There, problem solved. |
Parad0x611
Space Truckers Assoc
0
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Posted - 2012.12.22 07:48:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Xanos Blackpaw wrote:There are three ways to solve this: 3) Unsub from EvE. I went with three myself, but I was also on the 3-month cycle thing so I've still got a while to see if CCP can unfook this mess. I'm not holding my breath, though.
It's not a mess. It's following with CCP's design to make PVE play more like PVP, which even as a carebear I like. Unsubbing is just showing that you want no challenge and one thing I've found is that Eve should be challenging. The whole thing of Eve is that death and despair awaits the lazy, unready or those not paying attention. Its about being prepared.
Personally I haven't had an issue with the drone targeting as I pull them in when they are getting damaged. Its about paying attention to the situation, just like PVP. |
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
1441
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Posted - 2012.12.22 10:13:00 -
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Maybe keep these terrible threads in the forum section dedicated to terrible threads, aka Missions and Complexes?
I tried to remove this sig. |
Xanos Blackpaw
Inadeptus Mechanicus
9
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Posted - 2012.12.22 10:15:00 -
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Parad0x611 wrote: Personally I haven't had an issue with the drone targeting as I pull them in when they are getting damaged. Its about paying attention to the situation, just like PVP.
Who the hell WANT to pay attention in eve missions? They are the most boring pve in any game i have ever seen. Same missions, over and over and over again.
It's like daily quests in other games... |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
523
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Posted - 2012.12.22 10:43:00 -
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it's random really.
first days I couldn't even throw a swarm of drones at a frigate and expect them to survive.
now I can go thru entire missions without even getting damaged drones. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Parad0x611
Space Truckers Assoc
0
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Posted - 2012.12.22 11:03:00 -
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Xanos Blackpaw wrote:Parad0x611 wrote: Personally I haven't had an issue with the drone targeting as I pull them in when they are getting damaged. Its about paying attention to the situation, just like PVP.
Who the hell WANT to pay attention in eve missions? They are the most boring pve in any game i have ever seen. Same missions, over and over and over again. It's like daily quests in other games...
Then why are you running them? There are so many other ways to make Isk. Why do something you hate so much? I just don't understand that mentality... |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1007
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Posted - 2012.12.22 11:06:00 -
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*too
and no |
Syrias Bizniz
Carnivore Company
55
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Posted - 2012.12.22 12:14:00 -
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Xanos Blackpaw wrote:Parad0x611 wrote: Personally I haven't had an issue with the drone targeting as I pull them in when they are getting damaged. Its about paying attention to the situation, just like PVP.
Who the hell WANT to pay attention in eve missions? They are the most boring pve in any game i have ever seen. Same missions, over and over and over again. It's like daily quests in other games...
Have you ever tried running missions in a gang with your friends? It's suddenly really fun. You chat, make 3-5 missions before you redock and just blast through wave after wave of NPCs. And don't you dare to tell me 'But dem Bounty ticks', because if you're running missions for BOUNTY then you are doing something terribly wrong. |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2012.12.22 15:17:00 -
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I used to mission in a rattler but switched ships for this exact reason. Nothing pissed me off more than losing a drone. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
300
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Posted - 2012.12.22 22:48:00 -
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Parad0x611 wrote:Personally I haven't had an issue with the drone targeting as I pull them in when they are getting damaged. Its about paying attention to the situation, just like PVP.
If you honestly think that paying attention makes a damn bit of difference when 12+ rats decide to alpha your drones all at once that only proves that you are not a drone boat user and thus are not coming from a position of experience high enough to be making any judgements.
EvE Forum Bingo |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
178
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Posted - 2012.12.23 11:38:00 -
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The Death of a Drone...
Go burry it...... amen
Or train for non Drone boats............. use a Frigate |
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
216
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Posted - 2012.12.23 15:32:00 -
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I understand AI changes. However, I will admit I have a problem with them as well lately. When frigs get inside my guns, and have not been touched yet, if I bring out my drones, the second they touch one of the frigs, ALL of them shoot at 1 drone, insta popping it. I do not even get the opportunity to bring it back to bay.
With mediums, as long as its within about 10k, I can get it back to bay before being destroyed, but with light drones I am having an issue. (this is in missions). AI does need a bit of tweaking, or drones (still) need some work.
~Z There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly |
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Gulthias Shivan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:00:00 -
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Well i just started this game almost 3 months ago, i liked drones and missiles, so i did go for the rattlesnake battleship. Put all of my time in drones and missiles, and with the last update they screwedup the drones, they are TOTALLY USELESS now, my drones did 2/3 of my dps, so all 20 thugs went for my drones first, bye bye 5 heavy drones and 1 million isk, at a lvl 3 mission...
I just reached the point where i could do lvl 4 missions, well i can forget it, because i cant use my drones anymore. Even when all enemys target my ship, as soon as i launch my drones and they start fighting they get ALL killed in 10 seconds.
All drone ships just became useless in missions. Really fun... NOT...
My Drake does do more dps now then my Rattlesnake...
Thanks for totally screwing a whole way gameplay. Maybe they have too much players and really want to loose some... When this dont get fixed before my 3 months pay ends, i stop playing this game.
Thanks... Really... NOT...
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Higgs Maken
The Metal Box Company
4
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Posted - 2012.12.23 18:45:00 -
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Gulthias Shivan wrote:Well i just started this game almost 3 months ago, i liked drones and missiles, so i did go for the rattlesnake battleship. Put all of my time in drones and missiles, and with the last update they screwedup the drones, they are TOTALLY USELESS now, my drones did 2/3 of my dps, so all 20 thugs went for my drones first, bye bye 5 heavy drones and 1 million isk, at a lvl 3 mission...
I just reached the point where i could do lvl 4 missions, well i can forget it, because i cant use my drones anymore. Even when all enemys target my ship, as soon as i launch my drones and they start fighting they get ALL killed in 10 seconds.
All drone ships just became useless in missions. Really fun... NOT...
My Drake does do more dps now then my Rattlesnake...
Thanks for totally screwing a whole way gameplay. Maybe they have too much players and really want to loose some... When this dont get fixed before my 3 months pay ends, i stop playing this game.
Thanks... Really... NOT...
Please use sentry drone. My sentry drone Gila/Rattlesnake is doing fine running lvl 4 mission without losing any drone. |
celebro
Perpetuum Industries
4
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Posted - 2012.12.23 19:16:00 -
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I don't really get what the fuss is about, I am doing lvl4s in my dominix with no problems, just need to be extra careful with my drones and bring them back if I need to. Time to train t2 sentry drones as they are more useful now. |
Gulthias Shivan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.12.23 20:13:00 -
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i dont even have time to bring them back, when they are at 30 km range, they get shot off before they are back |
celebro
Perpetuum Industries
4
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Posted - 2012.12.23 22:06:00 -
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Gulthias Shivan wrote:i dont even have time to bring them back, when they are at 30 km range, they get shot off before they are back
You might be in need of drone durability skills, train it up to lvl4 at least. |
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
216
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Posted - 2012.12.24 01:52:00 -
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I haven't had any problems with sentries. I have had problems with my light drones (I normally mission in my Amarr BS's). When the little guys get aggro, its 1 shotted, 2 tops. And when the frigs are so close to me and under my guns, I can't draw any aggro onto myself (hence the light drones).
Still working at it, but so far this is making me want to go back to missile boats for missions, or sentries, rather than having a selection to chose from. ;( There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly |
Alayna Le'line
Battery Acid Skinny Dippers
46
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Posted - 2012.12.24 09:07:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Use smaller drones. I believe the Dec 17th patch reduced the agressive nature of drones. The patch notes state:
NPC
NPCs will now only target drones in their size category.
Elite frigates and cruisers NPCs will go for small drones and above. Frigates and Cruisers NPCs will go for medium drones and above. Battleship NPCs will go for large drones.
Now if you want the pre-patch ai, harden up. This was a nice change and makes missioning more fun. Sorry your isk faucet was reduced, deal with it. But it seems to be an improvement over the initial release where all npcs would switch to a light drone and pop it. You can pop the larger rats with your guns, use light drones on smaller targets, and just manage your drones.
It takes only 2(!) elite frigates to nuke a T2 small/medium drone before it manages to get back to the ship (tested on purpose, so I wasn't just slow on pulling them back or anything). The "best" way to deal with elite frigates turned out to be to fit enough omnidirectionals and have my Garde IIs fire at them until they get a few lucky shots in.
Yeah, the new drone AI improved my enjoyment of running missions
And as to popping the frigs from range: not an option if you get either damped down to ~15km or warped right on top of them. (just putting that here or some smartass is sure to bring it up)
Sentries, fwiw are fine, they are tanky enough that you shouldn't lose any if you're not totally asleep, scout drones are useless right now in most missions though. |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture Beyond The Dark
97
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Posted - 2012.12.24 10:10:00 -
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Gulthias Shivan wrote:i dont even have time to bring them back, when they are at 30 km range, they get shot off before they are back
yeah, um.....you do realize that if you launch heavies, EVERYTHING will go after it, right?
So launch lights, clear the frigs. Recall lights, launch meds, clear cruisers. recall meds, launch heavies, have them clear out any big ships your missiles haven't taken care of yet. PAY ATTENTION to the drones you have launched, and recall them (Shift+F) soon as they start taking damage. If you're losing drones, pay attention to what you're losing and pack extras.
Having trouble with frigates at range? Don't launch drones until the rats are as close as they're going to get.
it's called drone management, and you have a 400 m3 drone capacity. Not quite 2 flights of every drone, but damn close.
Heavy drones are slow as ****, and will get murdered if there are many ships shooting at them. |
Gulthias Shivan
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.12.24 17:16:00 -
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Heavy, Med or Lights, it doenst matter, all get shot off in a few seconds. I spend my isk to drone dps, i have increased range stuff, so i could use them even at 60 km range, NEVER had any problems that they were shooting my drones down, heavy, med or light, but now it doenst matter, as soon as my drones start shooting, they get shot off, i am not talking about easy missions, but the ones where you pop right into 20 thugs at 30 km range. And they ALL die before i can get them back in, within 10 seconds.
I am just frustrated that a beginning player who spended all his training and isk, and a PLEX into this, and then get so screwed over backwards... I just reached the rep to do lvl 4 missions, now i cant even do lvl 3 because the lack of dps, from 500+ down to 170...
I dont have the skills for sentry drones yet, and i have lvl 2 durability, i dont think that lvl 4 (+ another 10%) will do the trick, that will give them about 1 second more to live...
I thought it was a nice game, but paying for something and then get it washed through the toilet is not my idea of fun...
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Higgs Maken
The Metal Box Company
9
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Posted - 2012.12.26 12:31:00 -
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Gulthias Shivan wrote:Heavy, Med or Lights, it doenst matter, all get shot off in a few seconds. I spend my isk to drone dps, i have increased range stuff, so i could use them even at 60 km range, NEVER had any problems that they were shooting my drones down, heavy, med or light, but now it doenst matter, as soon as my drones start shooting, they get shot off, i am not talking about easy missions, but the ones where you pop right into 20 thugs at 30 km range. And they ALL die before i can get them back in, within 10 seconds.
I am just frustrated that a beginning player who spended all his training and isk, and a PLEX into this, and then get so screwed over backwards... I just reached the rep to do lvl 4 missions, now i cant even do lvl 3 because the lack of dps, from 500+ down to 170...
I dont have the skills for sentry drones yet, and i have lvl 2 durability, i dont think that lvl 4 (+ another 10%) will do the trick, that will give them about 1 second more to live...
I thought it was a nice game, but paying for something and then get it washed through the toilet is not my idea of fun...
... Increase range for normal drone is beyond me. Range is only good for 1 class of drone and that's sentry, please train for it even T1 is light years ahead of T2 heavy. Don't listen to EFT warriors about higher DPS of heavy drones, because they have never use heavy drones and never understand how sloooooow heavy are. My sentry would have blown up most ship at 80Km before their heavy could dealt its first damage. |
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