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Col Arran
Concordiat Tribal Band
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Posted - 2012.12.24 05:27:00 -
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So harvesting gas, fullerides, is like many other wormhole activities the redheaded stepchild of CCP they never thought out fully (they actually admitted they never envisioned wormholes the way we use them now).
I would like a ship that has good bonuses to gas mining. The venture is actually quite the nice little ship but the actual benefit it gives you....tapers off to the same as if you had gas harvesting V. If you do the math you fit 5 tech 2 gas harvesters to a Moa, or whatever your favorite 5 turret ship is you get 100m3 every 40 seconds. Now take the venture and its bonuses.
2 Harvesters = 40m3/40s * 100% bonus = 80m3/40s
40s *25% duration bonus = 30s
80m3/30s = 2.6m3/s = 104m3/40s Venture 100m3/40s = 2.5m3/s = 100m3/40s Random ship with 5 Harvesters
You get slightly more efficiency using the only ship in the game that has gas mining bonuses. Might I propose increasing the duration bonus to a 7.5% per level up from 5%? The math on that is as follows.
40s * 37.5% duration bonus = 25s
80m3/25s = 3.2m3/s = 128m3/40s
The venture is good in its current role as a newbie mining ship but I think with this small tweak it could be a very important asset for anyone running wormholes.
As a final note please don't in any form take away from this that I don't like the venture, I do. To give it an analogy I'm sucking the ventures **** right now. If these changes were implemented I'd be sucking its **** still....but also cupping the balls, just give it some thought. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
840
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Posted - 2012.12.24 05:29:00 -
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But it doesn't have 2 built in warp stabs and it aligns slower. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Col Arran
Concordiat Tribal Band
55
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Posted - 2012.12.24 05:33:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:But it doesn't have 2 built in warp stabs and it aligns slower.
But the venture can't tank a sleeper spawn and give no fucks while you get someone to blow up the sleepers for you. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
840
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Posted - 2012.12.24 05:35:00 -
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Col Arran wrote:masternerdguy wrote:But it doesn't have 2 built in warp stabs and it aligns slower. But the venture can't tank a sleeper spawn and give no fucks while you get someone to blow up the sleepers for you.
A venture isn't meant to tank things, it is meant to get in and out of systems camped by ebil piwates like myself. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Pyre leFay
The Scope Gallente Federation
155
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Posted - 2012.12.24 05:35:00 -
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They should still think about One shot super rigs. Single rigs that take up all the calibration yet offer one very large change. Like a script for some ships. Ventures could take away all ore bonus for a extra gas boost or vice versa. A t2 specialization but the cost is in the rig. Could be a t2 only rig. |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture Beyond The Dark
91
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Posted - 2012.12.24 07:37:00 -
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Col Arran wrote:masternerdguy wrote:But it doesn't have 2 built in warp stabs and it aligns slower. But the venture can't tank a sleeper spawn and give no fucks while you get someone to blow up the sleepers for you.
.....what?
so you're complaining that a 500k ISK ship can do EXACTLY The same job as a ship that costs many millions of ISK......but can't tank Sleepers?
The hell?
The Venture costs half a million to three quarters million ISK depending on markets. It's supposed to be a cheap ship that can sneak in and out of places with reduced risk of getting caught. |
Emu Meo
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.24 07:48:00 -
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Yes, I pretty much agree with the other posters, there is really no problem. The venture is equal to a battlecruiser fitted with 5 gas harvesters. If you want tank then go for the BC, if you want cheap then otherwise go for the venture.
Plus, even a fully fitted BC would have trouble tanking most sleepers, especially the BS's |
Col Arran
Concordiat Tribal Band
57
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Posted - 2012.12.24 10:17:00 -
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Himnos Altar wrote:Col Arran wrote:masternerdguy wrote:But it doesn't have 2 built in warp stabs and it aligns slower. But the venture can't tank a sleeper spawn and give no fucks while you get someone to blow up the sleepers for you. .....what? so you're complaining that a 500k ISK ship can do EXACTLY The same job as a ship that costs many millions of ISK......but can't tank Sleepers? The hell? The Venture costs half a million to three quarters million ISK depending on markets. It's supposed to be a cheap ship that can sneak in and out of places with reduced risk of getting caught.
Who was complaining? I already said I like the ship as is, he stated a fact and I stated a fact. I never said I wanted it to be able to tank, way to jump to conclusions there. I know what the ship's role is I was just wondering if it could maybe be given a little bit of a boost to gas harvesting.
Emu Meo wrote:Yes, I pretty much agree with the other posters, there is really no problem. The venture is equal to a battlecruiser fitted with 5 gas harvesters. If you want tank then go for the BC, if you want cheap then otherwise go for the venture.
Plus, even a fully fitted BC would have trouble tanking most sleepers, especially the BS's
And again, when did I ever say I wanted the venture to be able to tank? |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture Beyond The Dark
100
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Posted - 2012.12.24 10:29:00 -
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Quote:[snip] Who was complaining? I already said I like the ship as is, he stated a fact and I stated a fact. I never said I wanted it to be able to tank, way to jump to conclusions there. I know what the ship's role is I was just wondering if it could maybe be given a little bit of a boost to gas harvesting. Emu Meo wrote:Yes, I pretty much agree with the other posters, there is really no problem. The venture is equal to a battlecruiser fitted with 5 gas harvesters. If you want tank then go for the BC, if you want cheap then otherwise go for the venture.
Plus, even a fully fitted BC would have trouble tanking most sleepers, especially the BS's And again, when did I ever say I wanted the venture to be able to tank?
Col Arran wrote:But the venture can't tank a sleeper spawn and give no fucks while you get someone to blow up the sleepers for you.
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Dave stark
888
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Posted - 2012.12.24 10:32:00 -
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nothing comes close to the viability of a venture for gas harvesting. nothing needs changing. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
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Gary Bell
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2012.12.24 13:10:00 -
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What more do you want.. LOL it does it better costs less and has a 5k ore hold.. Stop complaining..
And tbh the gas is already tanking in price, why does it need to be easier? So it can become the ice mining of Whs?
Last, Who actually aggros the BS while they gas mine... Poor lil scrub... |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
735
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Posted - 2012.12.24 16:15:00 -
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Col Arran wrote:So harvesting gas, fullerides, is like many other wormhole activities the redheaded stepchild of CCP they never thought out fully (they actually admitted they never envisioned wormholes the way we use them now).
If you actually believe that then I've got a pretense to change them to sell you. Oh wait, you already bought it.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
884
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Posted - 2012.12.24 17:54:00 -
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Col Arran wrote:So ....maths + whining.
My head hurts, probably NOT from the math.
Gary Bell wrote:So it can become the ice mining of Whs?
nailed it. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
529
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Posted - 2012.12.24 18:17:00 -
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Col Arran wrote:masternerdguy wrote:But it doesn't have 2 built in warp stabs and it aligns slower. But the venture can't tank a sleeper spawn and give no fucks while you get someone to blow up the sleepers for you.
Who tanks the sleeper spawns? Seriously, warp to all ladar sites. Go make a drink and snack (for the gas harvesting). warp to site in combat ship and clean up spawns. Come back and harvest in peace.
Venture is an awesome gas harvesting ship. Does better than a BC, at a lower cost. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1214
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Posted - 2012.12.24 19:41:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Who tanks the sleeper spawns? Seriously, warp to all ladar sites. Go make a drink and snack (for the gas harvesting). warp to site in combat ship and clean up spawns. Come back and harvest in peace. For what it is worth, I used to clear out C5 and C6 grav spawns with two RR Tengu with passive resists. A solo Tengu should be able to handle lesser sites. I used to use a Drake for C2.
Derath Ellecon wrote:Venture is an awesome gas harvesting ship. Does better than a BC, at a lower cost. Venture has: +5% to gas harvesting yield per level +100% to gas harvesting yield
With only 2 turret slots, it has the equivalent of 2 * (1 + 100%) * (1 + 5 * 5%) = 5 gas harvesters. It is indeed a great ship for gas harvesting.
The only thing it couldn't handle would be an Isolated Core Deposit gravimetric site (ore, not gas) that does 400 EM damage. |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
308
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Posted - 2012.12.24 21:02:00 -
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Col Arran wrote:masternerdguy wrote:But it doesn't have 2 built in warp stabs and it aligns slower. But the venture can't tank a sleeper spawn and give no fucks while you get someone to blow up the sleepers for you.
You clearly either new to wormhole space or don't live in one at all. The entire wh community is laughing at your post. I guarantee it There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |
Col Arran
Concordiat Tribal Band
57
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Posted - 2012.12.24 22:53:00 -
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*sigh* why is everyone so caught up over one thing completely ignoring the main point of the thread -__-
I generally gas mine in either a Moa or a Rokh right now, I'm just in a C3 so nothing that brutal spawns in the Ladar sites. In my Moa I've got a medium shield booster and with the transversal of orbiting the could it tanks the 8 cruiser spawn fine until a corpmate gets there and kills them. I can get more cargo space if I use my Rokh meaning less warp outs, I just passive tank that like a baddie. I Give a shout in corp for someone to kill and salvage them; I survive harvesting the most fullerides I can without warp outs and he gets the salvage.
The venture can't do that, twas my point. |
Zol Interbottom
Nanotrasen Inc
10
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Posted - 2012.12.25 00:53:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Col Arran wrote:So harvesting gas, fullerides, is like many other wormhole activities the redheaded stepchild of CCP they never thought out fully (they actually admitted they never envisioned wormholes the way we use them now).
If you actually believe that then I've got a pretense to change them to sell you. Oh wait, you already bought it.
1+ because your pic made me lol |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1999
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Posted - 2012.12.25 01:10:00 -
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I know one thing for sure.
When the nerd gets in at the second post, it's a guarantee the thread has been permanently derailed.
Mr Epeen -ávOv |
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.12.25 01:20:00 -
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Thread moved to ships and modules discussion. ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
538
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Posted - 2012.12.25 01:33:00 -
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Col Arran wrote:*sigh* why is everyone so caught up over one thing completely ignoring the main point of the thread -__-
I generally gas mine in either a Moa or a Rokh right now, I'm just in a C3 so nothing that brutal spawns in the Ladar sites. In my Moa I've got a medium shield booster and with the transversal of orbiting the could it tanks the 8 cruiser spawn fine until a corpmate gets there and kills them. I can get more cargo space if I use my Rokh meaning less warp outs, I just passive tank that like a baddie. I Give a shout in corp for someone to kill and salvage them; I survive harvesting the fullerides without warp outs and he gets the salvage.
The venture can't do that, twas my point.
And that's something I've never heard anyone do. Aside from the fact that you could just clear the spawn yourself first and harvest in peace the venture can
1. Likely GTFO much easier than your harvesting rokh. 2. Cost a fraction of your rokh when it does get ganked. 3. Has the cargo to pretty much fit the entire gas cloud without needing to jetcan. This makes it even easier, and if you do have to run from a gank attempt, you get to run with a cargo full of gas, rather than leaving it behind in that jetcan.
I'm sure I could come up with other cool points but that's enough for now. |
Uncle Gagarin
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.12.25 16:47:00 -
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Col Arran wrote:*sigh* why is everyone so caught up over one thing completely ignoring the main point of the thread -__-
I generally gas mine in either a Moa or a Rokh right now, I'm just in a C3 so nothing that brutal spawns in the Ladar sites. In my Moa I've got a medium shield booster and with the transversal of orbiting the could it tanks the 8 cruiser spawn fine until a corpmate gets there and kills them. I can get more cargo space if I use my Rokh meaning less warp outs, I just passive tank that like a baddie. I Give a shout in corp for someone to kill and salvage them; I survive harvesting the fullerides without warp outs and he gets the salvage.
The venture can't do that, twas my point.
Main point of the thread is - TROLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOOOOLLLLLLL ... Dude, I think that Santa Claus troll is bored after Xmas and seeks for friends. Moreover - u don't live in any WH system. Maaaaaybe u sometimes scan them down jump into and try to ninja gass from there. But u are missing a point: there is no rat spawns in WH. You warp on site (asteroids, gas cloud) wait few seconds, kill guards warp out, swap ships and pump, pump, pump, pump ..... no more rats will come. Only piRATS ;), well, actually habitants of the WH you are robbing.
Let see at Venture: hull - costs almost nothing compared to anything else with same performance gas harvesters - WOW - they cost 40% of what is needed for any other ship with same performance cargo space - ho ho ho - Santa Claus would be happy with that space ... at least half of gass clouds will go there without jettisoning, well at least speaking of sites worth time ...
About Rokh as gas miner - YES !!!!!, I pray to catch such defenseless beauty ...
M Xmas'n H NY.
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Judas Lonestar
Wormbro Ocularis Inferno
14
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Posted - 2012.12.26 01:32:00 -
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The Venture is the best thing since someone took a knife to bread.
1) It doesnt mass wormholes at all 2) Its warps fast. It warps silly fast if you nano it 3) It has a huge hold. It can clean up most sites 4) Its CHEAP 5) It has built in stabs
I cant think that anyone who actually harvests gas would have any real complaints about the Venture. It is an incredible ship for what it does. You can pay for the thing in 15 minutes from 1 ladar, and its virtually impossible to kill it. |
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