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aetherguy881
Malformed Entity C.L.O.N.E.
3
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Posted - 2012.12.25 15:02:00 -
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Ovv Topik wrote:Eternal Error wrote:Volley them. Cant lock them b4 they cloak.
Cloaking is still broken... (at gates, not afk)
I prefer to catch them with a single point and good piloting. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
947
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Posted - 2012.12.25 15:57:00 -
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I like that miners in lowsec are running gatecamps. This is exactly what many have been trying to realize for YEARS.
Think about it. Miners with the testicular fortitude to cross a lowsec gate, brave a camp, and SUCCEED... all so they can chew some rocks in an open PvP area. (without making too much in profits for the effort) Isn't this exactly what we've all wanted?
It's not a stationary AFK hulk or mack in highsec. It's someone going up against your gatecamp and SURVIVING because they have the tools to do so with a reasonable chance. There are counters to catch these slippery things, but you have to plan for it. This is a hallmark of excellent balancing.
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pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
819
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Posted - 2012.12.25 16:23:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Tarvos Telesto wrote:Why so meny hate here? you want more people in loe sec? you got it, dont kill the new visitors! No hate, it's just that the point of having more people in low-sec is to kill them. who says you have to kill them now let them get a taste of low sec and maybe they stay you always wanted more people in llow sec right I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
3060
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Posted - 2012.12.25 18:46:00 -
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Use the new scanner 'look at' option or whatever its called. use it to burn at them in an interceptor and break their cloak before they can warp. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
161
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Posted - 2012.12.26 01:17:00 -
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How do you kill the Venture? By using it as bait for bigger fish |
Cyprus Black
The Learning Curve.
475
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Posted - 2012.12.26 01:35:00 -
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I'm just glad people now have a decent mining ship fit for lowsec. Yes they're hard to catch and yes the MWD + cloak makes them all but impossible to target but hey, the carebears are finally finding reason to go to lowsec. That in and of itself should be a victory. Hyjinx of a Highsec Pirate http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |
Sandra Vellocet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.26 01:58:00 -
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I think it's great seeing these little things zipping around low. Sadly it's only a matter of time before we see a "venture needs to be nerfed" forum post pop up. |
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
521
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Posted - 2012.12.26 03:00:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:How do you kill the Venture? By using it as bait for bigger fish
My ex Ceo was always happy when small fish move around belts just to lure bigger fish, so meny cruisers were under his recon wach :) and so meny big fish comes, not always but on occasions ... ;] i like this idea it self hovewer im against sacrifice mining ships EvE isn't game, its style of living. |
Zol Interbottom
Nanotrasen Inc
16
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Posted - 2012.12.26 03:03:00 -
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Sandra Vellocet wrote:I think it's great seeing these little things zipping around low. Sadly it's only a matter of time before we see a "venture needs to be nerfed" forum post pop up.
People are coming to null sec nerf plox Nivin Sajjad > we fly perpetually networked, neural interfaced spaceships yet can't communicate coordinates to each other without physically passing back and forth little pieces of paper. it's weird |
BadAssMcKill
Ghost Headquarters The Ghost Army
35
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Posted - 2012.12.26 04:06:00 -
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Invest in a Shadow Serpentis/True Sansha scram Starships were meant to fly~ |
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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
341
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Posted - 2012.12.26 04:19:00 -
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I'm starting to think we need more +X warp stab ships instead of covert cloakies. "I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped* Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne" ... Because of Falcon. |
Abu Shahid
0.0 Axis Fleet Stealth Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2012.12.26 10:37:00 -
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Why would you want to kill ventures? |
Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
154
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Posted - 2012.12.26 11:47:00 -
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Shylari Avada wrote:True. Sansha. Warp. Scrambler. For those people still confused, if you put this on an Ares, or any other Interceptor with a bonus to scram range, even your modest interceptor dps will kill them.
Oh yes. Please gents, fit a 130 million module to interceptors like Shylari suggests.
Even better. Go the extra mile and fit a quarter billion worth of modules to it.
This will ensure no 400K Isk mining frigates will ever get away from your righteous fury.
And when things go pear shaped, you will make someone smile, like Shylari's corpmate here:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18247349 |
Tiger Armani
Mialto Corp The Last Chancers.
14
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Posted - 2012.12.26 11:59:00 -
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Anyone else noticed this bug?
When you destroy a Venture, cargo container will drop instead a wreck. |
McRoll
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
56
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Posted - 2012.12.26 12:32:00 -
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Dont try to lock them up, instead do the following:
Choose a system and a gate and calculate the time which it takes for a Venture on average to align and warp from one gate to another in seconds. Get in a battleship with 8 smartbombs like the Rokh and position yourself exactly on the line between the two gates and just far enough from the gate to activate the smartbombs.
Count down once you see him appearing in local +/- a couple of seconds.
Activate your smartbombs in small intervals (like 2+2+2+2 smartbombs every second) and profit if you were lucky.
I did this in my pirate days together with corpies. It takes some time to get used to it but once you have it down it works great and you can collect oh so many tears.
You will need a cloaky scout in the other system for this though or you have to guess if it's a Venture. But then again I am probably the only player without an alt nowadays :) |
Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
242
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Posted - 2012.12.26 15:36:00 -
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Tiger Armani wrote:Anyone else noticed this bug?
When you destroy a Venture, cargo container will drop instead a wreck. That's not a bug, that's nostalgia :) Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Serving highsec, lowsec and nullsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX |
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.12.26 15:49:00 -
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Stealth Bombers!? |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
197
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Posted - 2012.12.26 16:12:00 -
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Darius Brinn wrote:Shylari Avada wrote:True. Sansha. Warp. Scrambler. For those people still confused, if you put this on an Ares, or any other Interceptor with a bonus to scram range, even your modest interceptor dps will kill them. Oh yes. Please gents, fit a 130 million module to interceptors like Shylari suggests. Even better. Go the extra mile and fit a quarter billion worth of modules to it. This will ensure no 400K Isk mining frigates will ever get away from your righteous fury. And when things go pear shaped, you will make someone smile, like Shylari's corpmate here: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18247349 Hey, if you're going out in the rain wearing only a hat, may as well make it a SHINY hat!
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
AstraPardus
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
58
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Posted - 2012.12.26 16:19:00 -
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Double SBII (scanres scripted) Double Shadow Warp Scram'd Lachesis/Arazu? Every time I post is Pardy time! :3 |
Subdolus Venator
State War Academy Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.12.26 16:41:00 -
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Nyancat Audeles wrote:Stealth Bombers!? But will that work? Bombing frigates seems to be rather pointless and ineffective unless you've got several bombers coordinated. EVE is EVE - Feaces will eventuate. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2935
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Posted - 2012.12.26 16:45:00 -
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Subdolus Venator wrote:Nyancat Audeles wrote:Stealth Bombers!? But will that work? Bombing frigates seems to be rather pointless and ineffective unless you've got several bombers coordinated. A single bomb can easily destroy a frigate class vessel if it's MWD is running... or any number of them within it's blast radius.
Timing is everything.
However, in this case it is likely not the tactic most people would have success with. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Subdolus Venator
State War Academy Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.12.26 16:48:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Subdolus Venator wrote:Nyancat Audeles wrote:Stealth Bombers!? But will that work? Bombing frigates seems to be rather pointless and ineffective unless you've got several bombers coordinated. A single bomb can easily destroy a frigate class vessel if it's MWD is running... or any number of them within it's blast radius. Timing is everything. However, in this case it is likely not the tactic most people would have success with. Presuming you catch them with their MWD up and running and still within the blast radius...That's a tricky trick to pull.
Edit: Caught you before the edit! :D EVE is EVE - Feaces will eventuate. |
Echhan
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.12.27 16:06:00 -
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McRoll wrote:Dont try to lock them up, instead do the following:
Choose a system and a gate and calculate the time which it takes for a Venture on average to align and warp from one gate to another in seconds. Get in a battleship with 8 smartbombs like the Rokh and position yourself exactly on the line between the two gates and just far enough from the gate to activate the smartbombs.
Count down once you see him appearing in local +/- a couple of seconds.
Activate your smartbombs in small intervals (like 2+2+2+2 smartbombs every second) and profit if you were lucky.
I did this in my pirate days together with corpies. It takes some time to get used to it but once you have it down it works great and you can collect oh so many tears.
You will need a cloaky scout in the other system for this though or you have to guess if it's a Venture. But then again I am probably the only player without an alt nowadays :)
The purpose of all of this being... what, exactly?
I assume you would be using large smartbombs in a BS class ship. Even vanilla bombs are 500,000 ISK on the market, give or take, against a ship with a 400,000 ISK hull? Even if you managed to destroy a Venture and got a Mod Strip Miner II to drop for loot, you would barely break even on the endeavor by deploying eight bombs. Then there is the investment on time that everyone likes to talk about in terms of ISK per hour and all that.
So someone please explain to me the capacity for profit, aside from being able to brag about squashing a little bug and taking a loss while doing it. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
277
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Posted - 2012.12.27 16:13:00 -
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Echhan wrote:The purpose of all of this being... what, exactly?
I assume you would be using large smartbombs in a BS class ship. Even vanilla bombs are 500,000 ISK on the market, give or take, against a ship with a 400,000 ISK hull? Even if you managed to destroy a Venture and got a Mod Strip Miner II to drop for loot, you would barely break even on the endeavor by deploying eight bombs. You're presuming that he'll stop after killing only one... Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Liquid Lucifer Industries
12
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Posted - 2012.12.27 16:15:00 -
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Echhan wrote:
I assume you would be using large smartbombs in a BS class ship. Even vanilla bombs are 500,000 ISK on the market, give or take, against a ship with a 400,000 ISK hull? Even if you managed to destroy a Venture and got a Mod Strip Miner II to drop for loot, you would barely break even on the endeavor by deploying eight bombs. Then there is the investment on time that everyone likes to talk about in terms of ISK per hour and all that.
So someone please explain to me the capacity for profit, aside from being able to brag about squashing a little bug and taking a loss while doing it.
You can't even fit a strip miner on a Venture. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
331
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Posted - 2012.12.27 16:17:00 -
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Echhan wrote:The purpose of all of this being... what, exactly?
I assume you would be using large smartbombs in a BS class ship. Even vanilla bombs are 500,000 ISK on the market, give or take, against a ship with a 400,000 ISK hull? Even if you managed to destroy a Venture and got a Mod Strip Miner II to drop for loot, you would barely break even on the endeavor by deploying eight bombs. Then there is the investment on time that everyone likes to talk about in terms of ISK per hour and all that.
So someone please explain to me the capacity for profit, aside from being able to brag about squashing a little bug and taking a loss while doing it. Smartbombs are undirected energy emission weapons, they can be used as long as you have cap and don't consume ammo. Don't mix it up with bombs which are ammo for bomb launchers that can be fitted on Stealth bombers and are obviously used in the process.
Unless you presume that smartbombing ship taken to lowsec is lost, you lose nothing
Inb4 took something wrong... |
Echhan
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.12.27 16:19:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Echhan wrote:The purpose of all of this being... what, exactly?
I assume you would be using large smartbombs in a BS class ship. Even vanilla bombs are 500,000 ISK on the market, give or take, against a ship with a 400,000 ISK hull? Even if you managed to destroy a Venture and got a Mod Strip Miner II to drop for loot, you would barely break even on the endeavor by deploying eight bombs. You're presuming that he'll stop after killing only one...
That presumption leading to the assumption that he would continue in the same manner of operating at a loss? Where I come from that's called "having a hole in your bucket." |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
277
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Posted - 2012.12.27 16:21:00 -
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Echhan wrote:silens vesica wrote:Echhan wrote:The purpose of all of this being... what, exactly?
I assume you would be using large smartbombs in a BS class ship. Even vanilla bombs are 500,000 ISK on the market, give or take, against a ship with a 400,000 ISK hull? Even if you managed to destroy a Venture and got a Mod Strip Miner II to drop for loot, you would barely break even on the endeavor by deploying eight bombs. You're presuming that he'll stop after killing only one... That presumption leading to the assumption that he would continue in the same manner of operating at a loss? Where I come from that's called "having a hole in your bucket." You only buy the fit once. Where's the onging drain? Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Echhan
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.12.27 16:34:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Echhan wrote:silens vesica wrote:Echhan wrote:The purpose of all of this being... what, exactly?
I assume you would be using large smartbombs in a BS class ship. Even vanilla bombs are 500,000 ISK on the market, give or take, against a ship with a 400,000 ISK hull? Even if you managed to destroy a Venture and got a Mod Strip Miner II to drop for loot, you would barely break even on the endeavor by deploying eight bombs. You're presuming that he'll stop after killing only one... That presumption leading to the assumption that he would continue in the same manner of operating at a loss? Where I come from that's called "having a hole in your bucket." You only buy the fit once. Where's the onging drain?
Bah, my mistake. For whatever reason I was thinking smartbombs were one-time-use weapons. There's still the time sink that's not easy to justify. |
The CandyGirl
the unified Negative Ten.
12
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Posted - 2012.12.27 16:37:00 -
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Lrn2smartbomb |
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