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Multi Paladin
Cyborg Mining and Procduction
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:15:00 -
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With the new patch the ishtar could possibly be the most useless ship in the game now. It was brillz for PvE however drone boats are no longer useful unless your doing the sentry redeploy which sucks a couple nuts and takes forever. And PvP....well....just no.
Propose Rebalance: Gal Cruiser Skill - %5 Med Hyb Dmg, %10 Med Hyb Opt HAC Skill - %7.5 Med Hyb Track, %5 Armor Resis
Low: 6 Med: 4 High: 7 (6 Turret)
Drone Bay: 125m3
I feel this would make the ishtar more useful both PvP and PvE wise without overpowering it in any way. Thoughts?
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Grezh
Sturmgrenadier Inc
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:23:00 -
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I am currently training into the Ishtar, it is one of the best solo 0.0 exploration ships in eve and if you are proposing to nerf that into oblivion i will then say, don't fly ships you don't enjoy, sentry Ishtar all the way. |
Multi Paladin
Cyborg Mining and Procduction
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:25:00 -
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Grezh wrote:I am currently training into the Ishtar, it is one of the best solo 0.0 exploration ships in eve and if you are proposing to nerf that into oblivion i will then say, don't fly ships you don't enjoy, sentry Ishtar all the way.
**I am a 0.0 ***** and I proposed this to save it, even with sentries it is dreadful, I'm switching to a tengu, good luck! |
Grezh
Sturmgrenadier Inc
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:31:00 -
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Multi Paladin wrote:Grezh wrote:I am currently training into the Ishtar, it is one of the best solo 0.0 exploration ships in eve and if you are proposing to nerf that into oblivion i will then say, don't fly ships you don't enjoy, sentry Ishtar all the way. **I am a 0.0 ***** and I proposed this to save it, even with sentries it is dreadful, I'm switching to a tengu, good luck!
Why are you proposing such a drastic change to the Ishtar when the Deimos is almost exactly what you want? Simply buff the Deimos a bit and leave the Ishtar as a drone boat. |
Multi Paladin
Cyborg Mining and Procduction
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:35:00 -
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The Deimos is opposite, its a speed close range ganker. What I proposed is a well balanced tank (great for PvE too) as well as range and tracking needed for hitting those small things AS WELL as having 5 sentry capabilities just not buffed. With rails it would be the perfect pve ship and not solely rely on drones that f***** die every 3 seconds. |
Grezh
Sturmgrenadier Inc
4
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:41:00 -
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Gallente are the blaster boat/drone race, if you want rail guns then look no further then the Caldari, simply use an Eagle., it specializes in railguns. |
Syrias Bizniz
Carnivore Company
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:41:00 -
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I don't like the idea of seeing just another hybrid boat in the gallente lineup. Especially if it's Tech 1 version is a droneboat. Just wait for the upcoming balance rapetrain, and with some luck, we might see changes in the drone control interface / behaviour. |
Multi Paladin
Cyborg Mining and Procduction
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:47:00 -
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Syrias Bizniz wrote:I don't like the idea of seeing just another hybrid boat in the gallente lineup. Especially if it's Tech 1 version is a droneboat. Just wait for the upcoming balance rapetrain, and with some luck, we might see changes in the drone control interface / behaviour.
Waiting is just about the only thing you can do with the ishtar at this point. A hybrid boat is better than a broken boat. And tbh a drone boat is so obsolete that I would rather they make some stupid HAC with no emphasis on drones than what the ishtar is.
The ishtar is completely broken for PvP and now semi-broken for PvE this cannot be argued with. How it gets fixed I dont care, but fix it they must! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:52:00 -
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Multi Paladin wrote:The ishtar is completely broken for PvP and now semi-broken for PvE this cannot be argued with. Yes it can. How is it broken for PvP? It's not broken in the least for PvE.
And as others have mentioned, if you want a hybrid HAC, get a Deimos. If it doesn't fulfil your needs, ask them to fix it instead of making it or the Ishtar redundant. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Multi Paladin
Cyborg Mining and Procduction
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:59:00 -
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PvP: What the **** can you do with this? I have NEVER seen an ishtar used usefully in PvP and RARELY EVER see it used at all. I have tried it and it blows chunks. People will laugh if you bring an ishtar out to pew.
PvE: Drones die, drones die, drones die, **** spent another 30 mins pulling and redeploying drones etc. And if you argue ammo costs isk drones need to pop to compensate you're wrong, drones could use their own ammo sure but killing drones is like killing turrets. How would you feel if you couldn't deal dps! |
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Feledain
Rorqual Industry Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.26 03:29:00 -
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1. HACs have 15 Slots, not 17
2. 5 Slots on their main weapon system, Ishtar -2 because of huge Dronebay and by far more Bandwith than any other HAC
3. Wait for the rebalance, the Deimos will get better. The cap bonus on MWD will become something usefull like on the Throax
4. Dont like it, dont fly it.
If you cant keep your sentrys alive even with +50% HP, just dont fly drone boats you suck at them. |
Multi Paladin
Cyborg Mining and Procduction
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Posted - 2012.12.26 03:45:00 -
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Feledain wrote:1. HACs have 15 Slots, not 17
2. 5 Slots on their main weapon system, Ishtar -2 because of huge Dronebay and by far more Bandwith than any other HAC
3. Wait for the rebalance, the Deimos will get better. The cap bonus on MWD will become something usefull like on the Throax
4. Dont like it, dont fly it.
If you cant keep your sentrys alive even with +50% HP, just dont fly drone boats you suck at them.
When you can keep a sentry alive with insta full room aggro on one drone in an 8/10 I will give you a huge high five because I have insane drone skills and they still get alpha'd....dead. |
Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.26 05:27:00 -
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Grezh wrote:Gallente are the blaster boat/drone race, if you want rail guns then look no further then the Caldari, simply use an Eagle., it specializes in railguns.
Except it's multiple orders of magnitude worse than the Ishtar or Deimos combined. Especially now that the Moa is basically an Eagle, but for a fraction of the cost. And the Moa is, IIRC, faster than the Eagle. With an additional rig slot. So I honestly see NO reason to use an Eagle for anything whatsoever anymore at this point. The Cerberus is in the exact same position thanks to the Caracal.
tl;dr: Gallente HACs could use a bit of a buff, but Caldari ones need the total overhaul you're thinking of, because since I started in 2009 they have been the bottom of the barrel. |
Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
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Posted - 2012.12.26 05:56:00 -
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Multi Paladin wrote:PvP: What the **** can you do with this? I have NEVER seen an ishtar used usefully in PvP and RARELY EVER see it used at all. I have tried it and it blows chunks. People will laugh if you bring an ishtar out to pew.!
Maybe you are just bad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfSU69h8fxw&list=UUnwxEJHNt8JnuwAsMUVoF4g |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2012.12.26 07:14:00 -
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Ishtar is a reasonably fast HAC with a small sig, massive utility options and by far the widest engagement range.
Along with Zealot, the oly HAC that doesn't need anu buffing in the T2 balancing pass.
I tried to remove this sig. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.12.26 10:07:00 -
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Multi Paladin wrote:PvP: What the **** can you do with this? Dive-bomb, and anti-support GÇö same as always (well, not alwaysGǪ it was once a prime nanoship, but that's a long-gone era).
Quote:PvE: Drones die, drones die, drones die Not really, no. Maybe if you didn't go AFK and/or learned to manage aggro. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Seranova Farreach
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.26 10:54:00 -
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Multi Paladin wrote:With the new patch the ishtar could possibly be the most useless ship in the game now. It was brillz for PvE however drone boats are no longer useful unless your doing the sentry redeploy which sucks a couple nuts and takes forever. And PvP....well....just no.
Propose Rebalance: Gal Cruiser Skill - %5 Med Hyb Dmg, %10 Med Hyb Opt HAC Skill - %7.5 Med Hyb Track, %5 Armor Resis
Low: 6 Med: 4 High: 7 (6 Turret)
Drone Bay: 125m3
I feel this would make the ishtar more useful both PvP and PvE wise without overpowering it in any way. Thoughts?
quit whineing. t2 and faction/pirate ships will be rebalanced soon enough. |
Nnamuachs
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.26 12:23:00 -
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What? Broken for PvP? Are you high or something?
Dps output of over 800 with drones and still decent speed. You get out of here right meow. |
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