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HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2005.06.03 04:00:00 -
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Agree, remove alts or put a 3 month period before creating/deleting them or add ALT tracking where you right click on a user and a tab that displays the name and status of the other chars.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2005.06.03 04:56:00 -
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Edited by: Gamer4liff on 03/06/2005 05:50:24 This is a joke, right?
If this is for real youve got to be kidding me, i pay for an account with 3 charecters, what i train/use the chars for is my own business.
This has to be the stupidest whine i have ever seen.
this here's mah sig': My Quote: "You can call me a carebear all you want, but your still an arrogant slimeball" |
Alberto
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Posted - 2005.06.03 05:03:00 -
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Edited by: Alberto on 03/06/2005 05:05:38
r-e-m-o-v-e a-l-t-s p-l-e-a-s-e
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Typherin laidai
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Posted - 2005.06.03 06:51:00 -
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Edited by: Typherin laidai on 03/06/2005 06:51:48 Ummm im not sure if this is a good idea or not
Advantages
No more forum alts
No more using alt noobs as spies or to haul expensive goods (while you may say this isn't a good thing it may stop pirates firing on 1 week old noobs )
Less Scamming (Each scammer/thief now only has 1 char to play with not 3)
No more suicicde alt's (to a degree)
More subscriptions (If my alts where removed I would create new ones with a new acount if need be) Disadvantages
Many people have uses for their alt's (ie I have a chap to recycle & produce goods etc, Haulers)
It may cause some people to quit
Now I cant think of any more disadvantages but im sure their must be some Now the question really is does CCP want to force people into using their main for everything they want to do. ie if your a PvP char you might actually have to train some industry skills if you want to carry on doing it.
I can sort of appreciate the logic of removing them. but speaking for myself ... My main account (1of3) has Typherin in it... but my 2 alt's DO have some skills that I invested time into. not a lot (2.8millsp between the 2 alts in the account) but I for one would be quite pee'd off if CCP suddenly deleted my 2 alts without re-inbersing the spent Sp in some way to my Main
Typherin LaiDai Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5
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2ippy
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Posted - 2005.06.03 06:55:00 -
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Down with forums alting - ingame who cares.
You feeling very sleepy..I am your master..you will buy me a t2 item.. Alternative Territorial Map 2.6.05 |
Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2005.06.03 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: 2ippy Down with forums alting - ingame who cares.
What he said ^^^^^^^ this here's mah sig': My Quote: "You can call me a carebear all you want, but your still an arrogant slimeball" |
Latex Mistress
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Posted - 2005.06.03 08:59:00 -
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For the dozenth time:
Drop the price of accounts (by half or so, but not too much or the problem doesn't go away) Give players the option to move their alts to the new accounts New patch = 1 Character per acct
Problem solved, no?
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
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Zhuge Liang
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Posted - 2005.06.03 09:33:00 -
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Heheh, alts have feelings too y'know. * cuddles all the alts.
Alts have many uses, some more good than bad. Here are some of the different alts:
Hauler-alt: Spends its entire eve life hauling your veldspar. Because you only trained it to be hauler, it is absolutely terrified of Gurista Arrogators.
Spy-alt: Gets podded 5 times a day, perfectly trained in the art of smack. Likes making bookmarks 400km above gates.
Miner-alt: Works hard so you don't have to.
POS Alt: Sits in your pos ensuring its fueld, changes reactions and stuff. Logs on when suspicious blobs appear in system.
Factory/Lab Alt: Looks after your labs, builds stuff.
Imapvperbutsecretlyhaveacarebearalt Alt: Some of the most dangerous pvpers secretly have the fluffiest carebear alts!
Forum Alt: Can be used for rp purposes, perfectly ok.
Forum Flame/Troll Alt: Wtfban.
ZhuuÀ gheyÀleeÀyan (Kongming) |
Typherin laidai
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Posted - 2005.06.03 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: Typherin laidai on 03/06/2005 09:39:53
Originally by: Zhuge Liang Heheh, alts have feelings too y'know. * cuddles all the alts.
Alts have many uses, some more good than bad. Here are some of the different alts:
Hauler-alt: Spends its entire eve life hauling your veldspar. Because you only trained it to be hauler, it is absolutely terrified of Gurista Arrogators.
Spy-alt: Gets podded 5 times a day, perfectly trained in the art of smack. Likes making bookmarks 400km above gates.
Miner-alt: Works hard so you don't have to.
POS Alt: Sits in your pos ensuring its fueld, changes reactions and stuff. Logs on when suspicious blobs appear in system.
Factory/Lab Alt: Looks after your labs, builds stuff.
Imapvperbutsecretlyhaveacarebearalt Alt: Some of the most dangerous pvpers secretly have the fluffiest carebear alts!
Forum Alt: Can be used for rp purposes, perfectly ok.
Forum Flame/Troll Alt: Wtfban.
hehe the spy alt bit is so true
As you state forum troll alt will reieve a ban... urr does that mean I can troll as long as I use my main
Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5
'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant' |
SinBin
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Posted - 2005.06.03 09:53:00 -
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" Imapvperbutsecretlyhaveacarebearalt Alt: Some of the most dangerous pvpers secretly have the fluffiest carebear alts! "
This is so true, a pvper buddy who was the worst for calling others carebare miner scum, after EXO & only due to boasting said he had his barge & stripminers allready sorted.
Make alt accountable in info, simple fix noone can odds it without showing there lame, no one will quit & I dont loose my hauler & scout.
If we say remove alt your post dies as fast as an alt poster.
I seen alts made purely to spam a topic & named accordinly & I see 1 here saying about story line that alt not the main so not to blame story wise, so why is that guy spouting what his main would say ? in the froum. _______________________________________
Ill shutup the day CCP remove bookmarks |
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.06.03 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Zhuge Liang Forum Alt: Can be used for rp purposes, perfectly ok.
There is more RP than just the forums.
Of course pointing that out to ISD is sort of a vain attempt at installing sanity into an organization of faceless alts with agendas and personal vendettas...
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:06:00 -
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Ohh Riddari, you so craaazy
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Riddari
Originally by: Zhuge Liang Forum Alt: Can be used for rp purposes, perfectly ok.
There is more RP than just the forums.
Of course pointing that out to ISD is sort of a vain attempt at installing sanity into an organization of faceless alts with agendas and personal vendettas...
After many alt/mod issues iv found it wasnt personal at all & i use there rule back on um with that addy & thing happen to other, now i think there my personaly army of post claener. _______________________________________
Ill shutup the day CCP remove bookmarks |
Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.06.03 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: NanoRunner In a game like this, where your 1 character can be ANYTHING ALL THE TIME, there is no need for alts, the only feasible reason and the reason CCP prolly added more than 1 slot is if more than 1 people play on 1 account. IE me and my kid play the game, he can have his character i have mine.
Other than that there is no reason at all. Like the big mouth said earlier he has alts with 9mill/4mill/4mill SP, you cannot train at the same time so what is the point? You dont need to make a "miner" alt because your main could train mining just the same as an alt blah blah blah. You can save a trivial amount of time with starting stats, but then loose trivial time if you train the learning skills on all alts so it prolly offsets itself.
Alts are a big problem in this game only because of what the players want the game to be. IE You want hardcore pirate or pvp rulesets and limited protected area and people to be in 0.0 space, but you want to avoid all accountabilty by being able to get the good safe stuff with an alt. Or you wanna be a pirate or thief but use an alt to protect your main.
We had this happen one time some guy used an alt to join a noobie corp, would use it to locate these people then use another character to come and pk them. Sure this can be done with second accounts, but it is more limited. We cant limit how many accounts people have but again not many people are gonna keep 5 accounts active just to do most of the stuff these arses do with alts.
Again I have yet to see someone post a REAL reason for needing an alt, that keep swithin the spirit of the game. IE posting you use an alt to check prices somewhere etc your short cutting an aspect of the game being regional markets thus your point is no valid.
IF you say you have an alt miner you park in high sec space, again you are circumventing a part of the game, being you dont want to have ot mine in dangerous areas even if you choose that to be the area you exist in, and are too lazy to fly back and forth. So your point don;t count, and infact you exemplify the problem.
Will it ever be fixed? Uhm doubt it it is far to late. Maybe the best you can hope is account wide accountabilty, like shared SecStatus across the account not per character, the idea being the account = the player not the character. Longer delete time can help and should be there really IMHO.
This is not a game that has limits on what any character can do so it make no sense to have alts to experience different aspects of the game.
I agree with this man.
In my most honest opinion, despite having lots of friends doing just this : Having hauler/miner/refiner/spy/whatever-alts is a way to work around the intended game design. It removes alot of the designed risk, it allows you to see things beyond the designed limitations, it reduces the quality of the characters in the game (pathetic nicknames, lack of personality). Even though most alt-usage has no negative effect upon other players, I'd say the negative effects of a minority of alts justifys that changes should be made. The way I see it, the only alts that interacts with other players are doing so in a destructive manner. A hauler-alt, which is not evil at all, does not really improve the gameplay for other players, whilst a suicide-alt or a thief-alt really ruins the game.
Some of you are probably seeing where Im headed with this, some don't. To make it all clear: EVE is a community. Any choice that benefits the community is better than choices that benefits individual players. The "good" alts are only serving one or very few people, whilst the "bad" alts are a very serious threat to the community as a whole. You may now spit out things like "damn communist carebear, go home and cry n00ber" and totally wreck your credibility in this discussion.
Mentas Blaque would have known what to do with this issue...
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Khonsu
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Posted - 2005.06.03 13:00:00 -
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Guys, alts will never be removed. You know it, we all know it. Removing chars with millions of skill points would be suicide for CCP and I imagine they could be sued. In either case, lots of people would just quit. Not to mention how to establish who's the alt and who's the main. Impossible, don't even think about it.
The only feasible remedy I've seen so far would be to display the accounts age on info. It's not a very strong medicine, but at least you'd be able to tell real n00bs from alts. But I doubt even this will happen, and anything stronger than that is very unlikely.
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maximyus
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Posted - 2005.06.03 13:11:00 -
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What a stuiped post get a grip do u expect me 2 sit at a belt and mine ice all day you alts have purposes plus do u fancy doing 40 jumps in a bs to get something when u can send an alt tut tut did your mother drop you at birth??????
Some of you are real sado's do u know this and again some of u rool if u ain't got anything but a stuiped comment go f$%k urself |
OffBeaT
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Posted - 2005.06.03 13:20:00 -
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hehe..
i can see that happening real fast.
i got 2 guys, if we where too dump our alts they would go broke...
i can hear the dev's/gm's laffing now!
oh yea, will just give up 25% of our income.
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Hot Temper
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Posted - 2005.06.03 13:59:00 -
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Alts? Where?
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Claude Leon
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Posted - 2005.06.04 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: maximyus What a stuiped post get a grip do u expect me 2 sit at a belt and mine ice all day you alts have purposes plus do u fancy doing 40 jumps in a bs to get something when u can send an alt tut tut did your mother drop you at birth??????
And this is the problem. CCP instead of adding new ships to the game maybe you should remove ALTS and clean space of the damn cans. ===================================================
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2005.06.04 22:51:00 -
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guys please stop posting in this stupid thread... Just... just let it die. this here's mah sig': My Quote: "You can call me a carebear all you want, but your still an arrogant slimeball" |
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Berious
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Posted - 2005.06.05 00:11:00 -
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I agree in principle, but MMOers like alts, they do have many legitimate uses (production, trade, hanger management etc) and it's WAY too late now. This was an argument for beta.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.06.05 00:54:00 -
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They should at least allow you to see which characters are on the same account somehow though, if the anonymity is gone abuse will be reduced at least somewhat...
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2005.06.05 01:05:00 -
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The age-old discussion about alts is here again.
I agree with Neurotic Cat. However, I also have to agree that alts mostly, even if not used to cause direct harm, are an unearned asset that work around the intended balanced system of consequences and risks. We all like our own alts because they make our life easier - but what it actually does is reduce the need for player interaction and specialization. It's a flaw in the system, but a very tricky one.
The solution then? No idea. You can't just remove them because that would hurt too many; for example people who have balanced skill training. What could be done however is minimizing the possibilities for using alts to get an edge over other players in a harmful way. For this purpose making character connections public would be the best answer.
Trial accounts pose another threat. They cannot be linked to their other related accounts, and they can be used simultaneously (to e.g. spy or mine a lot more efficiently) with other accounts. Such an advantage is obviously unjust, and I have no doubt the system is widely abused for this purpose. However, many solution attempts would just ruin new players' possibilities.
One thing that would help, is adding a 2 week limit to creating a second character. Atleast trials would just have one character, but it'd only be a small relief.
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NanoRunner
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Posted - 2005.06.05 10:41:00 -
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"Each of them explores different facets of the game, unconnected to each other.
Riddari is the versatile character who can do just about everything (including being called.. a big mouth) with his 28m skill points.
My other characters allow me to enjoy EVE in different groups doing different things.
I don't care if one of them is an absolutely pathetic fighter and another a horrible horrible candidate for mining and industry.
They live their own lives, not connected to each other and not connected to Riddari.
That makes the game even more enjoyable to me. "
Uhm good job at directly avoiding what i said. You DO NOT NEED ALTS TO DO ANY OF THAT!!! No character is limited in any way on thier role. IE making a miner alt is "silly" since your main can train mining just as easily any time saved with the starting stats is lost by not having any of the learning skills your main will have trained as well.
Again there is ZERO legit reasons for alts infact every reason posted so far is a direct exploit to avoid being accountable for your character. IE gonna spy? uhm THEM YOU SPY, rather than use imaginary fake character for a day. No different than suggesting your mining alt can be parked in 1.0 sec to farm ore to send to your main who can stay in 0.0, Ie your exploiting alts to be able to be in 2 places at once which clearly isnt how the game is designed or they would let us all instantly warp to what ever system we want.
The only legit reason i can reason is if more than 1 player will be playing off that account, do to the training limits this is unlikely.
Make no mistake i am sure it is too late for alts to be removed, but they should at least be tagged as the same "family line" so everyone know who the PLAYER behind the different faces is. Alts is what prevents any proper hardcore rulesets to be implemented in eve has done nothing but hurt the game.
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