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Riif'sa Soban
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Posted - 2005.06.03 08:52:00 -
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Do you think it is a possibility that we'll be getting elite battleships with the release of the new patch, which includes Dreadnaughts? I mean.. we have elite frigates, elite cruisers, elite industrials, ext. So, why not make elite Battleships when they become "Outdated" with the newer and bigger ship class?
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Angus Torg
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Posted - 2005.06.03 08:55:00 -
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Give CCP some time to get the Dreads in a good shape, then start thinking of Elite Battleships.
And please, give me a DuVolle flavoured Megathron then!
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2005.06.03 09:02:00 -
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How over powered would "Super Assault" be?
I mean, solo'n 8/10 complexes would probably be doable. Can you imagine a Apoc with 80+ in all resists tanking with 2 T2 Large armor repairers? Talk about next to invincible. _______________________________________________
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Finix Jaeger
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Posted - 2005.06.03 09:40:00 -
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Edited by: Finix Jaeger on 03/06/2005 09:41:11 I have a feeling that it will not be Super Assault Ships but that they will get another role. Flagships has been mentioned as an alternative with bonuses to leadership skills or a similar effect.
And its to soon the be concerned about them.
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Typherin laidai
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:00:00 -
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'And then the squirrill went RRRaaGGHhhHHHhhhHhhh and pwnd the dog hard'
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Typherin laidai
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:01:00 -
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Urrr wrong thread...
Mummy says im special
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Mr KaY
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Typherin laidai
Mummy says im special
Well, shes not wrong
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Typherin laidai
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mr KaY
Originally by: Typherin laidai
Mummy says im special
Well, shes not wrong
Im only 9 years old leave me alone
Urrr honest
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Skvettlappen
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Typherin laidai Urrr wrong thread...
Mummy says im special
Thats good news
Anywayz I hope they dont bring in any assault BSs. Would be close to impossible to balance that out seing BSs atm fitt a pretty good role. I belive Elite BS will have more dedicated roles than being uber killers.
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Typherin laidai
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Posted - 2005.06.03 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Typherin laidai on 03/06/2005 10:48:05 Im hoping we will see Elite Battacruisers well before they think about implementing the bs's
Thats presuming they are including BC II's ? not too sure about that
And by my way of thinking a BC II is going to be awsome if we can assume it keeps the same kind of traits as the HAC's
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David Goodwill
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Posted - 2005.06.03 11:16:00 -
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I read in a blog a while back they are doing elite bc, as well as tech II dessie. -----------------------------
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King Dave
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Posted - 2005.06.03 11:22:00 -
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Dreadnaughts are meant to be flagships and require leaderships skills to fly...
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.06.03 11:25:00 -
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This may be just me speaking, and please, flamers rescind your burining embers. But the ships atm seem to me to be the most balanced that they have ever been since i started playing (nearly a year now, bloody el).
Tech II BS's look to knock that balance some way south. That is my only fear, i have much fun fighting at the moment.
(Flamers: Yes, its not perfect, missiles are getting balanced so that might help too. But its pretty darn good) -
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.06.03 11:30:00 -
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you know what is problem with all these ships: players have up to 30mil sp and are having HACS lvl5, specializations lvl5 and possibly 3-4 (ok 2)eve accs. And ccp don't want to lose these...
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.06.03 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gnauton It was purely accidental. We really don't have a sense of humour at all.
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Dianne II
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Posted - 2005.06.03 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC you know what is problem with all these ships: players have up to 30mil sp and are having HACS lvl5, specializations lvl5 and possibly 3-4 (ok 2)eve accs. And ccp don't want to lose these...
not so many like these around, but i bet we all want T2 BS. what else could be net goal for us than assault battleship skill lvl5? ;-)
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2005.06.03 11:55:00 -
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ôHow over powered would "Super Assault" be? I mean, solo'n 8/10 complexes would probably be doable. Can you imagine a Apoc with 80+ in all resists tanking with 2 T2 Large armor repairers? Talk about next to invincible.ö
I assume once we get Elite Battleship at the same time Dreadnought class rats turn up. In fact I hope we get Dreadnought class rats at the same time as Dreadnoughts.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.06.03 12:01:00 -
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maybe, but if rats will remain so dumb... i'll just uber tank ishtar and get someone with gankship... byby dred rats.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.06.03 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 03/06/2005 13:06:27 This is probably not final info but off the sisi item DB dump... skills for t2 BSes and other goodies are in. Alot of the values seem highly unlikely but they ARE in :). I apologize in advance if this is a repost.
Flagships Base Price 400,000,000 isk Primary attribute Perception Secondary attribute Willpower Primary Skill required Spaceship Command Secondary Skill required Squadron Commander Training time multiplier 2 x (highly unlikely) requiredSkill1Level 5 requiredSkill2Level 5 skillLevel 0 Build Number 2.05.3366
Carriers Base Price 4,000,000 isk Primary attribute Perception Secondary attribute Willpower Primary Skill required Spaceship Command Secondary Skill required Drone Interfacing Training time multiplier 2 x requiredSkill1Level 5 requiredSkill2Level 5 skillLevel 0 Build Number 2.05.3366
Interdictors Base Price 40,000,000 isk Primary attribute Perception Secondary attribute Willpower Primary Skill required Spaceship Command Secondary Skill required Covert Ops Training time multiplier 2 x requiredSkill1Level 3 requiredSkill2Level 3 skillLevel 0 Build Number 2.05.3366
Minmatar titan Base Price 20,000,000 isk Primary attribute Perception Secondary attribute Willpower Primary Skill required Spaceship Command Secondary Skill required Minmatar Battleship Tertiary Skill required Leadership Training time multiplier 12 x requiredSkill1Level 5 requiredSkill2Level 4 requiredSkill3Level 5 skillLevel 0 Build Number 2.05.3366
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.06.03 13:12:00 -
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oooo. what's an interdictor?
and nice to see that carriers (might/will probably) require interfacing 5. -------------
Originally by: Gnauton It was purely accidental. We really don't have a sense of humour at all.
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Allegron
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Posted - 2005.06.03 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Allegron on 03/06/2005 13:24:18
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Lilane
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Posted - 2005.06.03 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Lilane on 03/06/2005 13:25:58
Originally by: SengH Carriers Base Price 4,000,000 isk Primary attribute Perception Secondary attribute Willpower Primary Skill required Spaceship Command Secondary Skill required Drone Interfacing Training time multiplier 2 x requiredSkill1Level 5 requiredSkill2Level 5 skillLevel 0 Build Number 2.05.3366
My Dmonix, Ishtar and Ishlur need another Sister... can't wait for her Edit : actually i would take a T2 Domi too
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.06.03 13:25:00 -
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theres also a whole bunch of gang coordination and group interfacing modules that i didnt post... These give mega bonuses to the gang ill post the 2 most important ones.
Command Relay - Defensive Pattern Alpha Radius 0 m Mass 0 kg Volume 60 m3 Cargo Capacity 5 m3 Base Price 9,900 isk activation cost 50 Energy hp 20 powergrid usage 5 MW CPU usage 3,000 tf Activation time / duration 20,000 ms Charge size 1 1=small 2=medium 3=l Primary Skill required Leadership Secondary Skill required Escort Tactics requiredSkill1Level 5 requiredSkill2Level 5 shieldCapacityBonus 1900 % Tech Level 1 Used with (chargegroup) Personnel maxGroupActive 1 Build Number 2.05.3366
Command Relay - Assault Tactics I Radius 0 m Mass 0 kg Volume 60 m3 Cargo Capacity 5 m3 Base Price 9,900 isk activation cost 50 Energy hp 20 powergrid usage 5 MW CPU usage 3,000 tf Activation time / duration 20,000 ms Charge size 1 1=small 2=medium 3=l Primary Skill required Leadership Secondary Skill required Assault Tactics requiredSkill1Level 5 requiredSkill2Level 5 Damage Multiplier Bonus (O.o instagank anyone?) 50 Tech Level 1 Used with (chargegroup) Personnel maxGroupActive 1 Build Number 2.05.3366
Theres other stuff i dont understand like officer stations and stuff, so i just posted these 2 that do make sense. Its interesting that this is the route that CCP is going with T2 BSes... supertanked ships that cant attack but give huge bonuses to group flagships in all sense of the word :)
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Riif'sa Soban
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Posted - 2005.06.03 20:05:00 -
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About a balanced game.. well.. with the addition of ships that can easily take out 3 or 4 battleships single handedly.. don't you see a need for more of an elite class of battleship for every race to attempt to counter dreads? I mean.. I understand what you mean by like 80% resistances.. but maybe those can be negotiated compared to the other elites.. or maybe make it a bonus of 5% resistance to armor per level.
I just think it would be sweet to see an Armageddon with 7 megapulse' and a torp launcher.
We're talking about EVE evolution here.
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Nyk0n
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Posted - 2005.06.03 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: SengH Edited by: SengH on 03/06/2005 13:06:27 This is probably not final info but off the sisi item DB dump... skills for t2 BSes and other goodies are in. Alot of the values seem highly unlikely but they ARE in :). I apologize in advance if this is a repost. *SNIP* Build Number 2.05.3366
What are you useing to extract the DB? And where did you get it?
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2005.06.03 20:32:00 -
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Well elite battleships will be needed, because, eventually tech1 battleships of today will become obsolete, just like cruisers. Heres my view on things:
1.) instas will get a nerf, resulting in longer travel times 2.) as a result of 1.) most of the pvp attacks will be carried out in frigs/inties/assault ships and HACs. Battleships wont stand a chance of moving across the map before the enemy blob assembles, most often much larger then attacking blob. And usually, blobbing doesnt mean fight. Its just boring. Not saying that it wont happen at all, it will happen more and more seldom. 3.) when enough corps have gathered ISK, the dreadnaughts will be brought as heavy siege crafts for blob fighting and POS attacks. 4.) in half a year, nobody will be flying bs anymore, cos there will be no reason. Fast attacks? Bring smaller ships. Siege? Bring dreadnaughts.
Same thing happened to cruisers, really, and except some die hard fan of thorax with 1600 plates and small guns (its mainly used as humiliation drone platform anyway) nobody really flies cruisers nowadays, cos their firepower just doesnt weigh vs their lack of mobility and sig radius.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.06.03 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Nyk0n
Originally by: SengH Edited by: SengH on 03/06/2005 13:06:27 This is probably not final info but off the sisi item DB dump... skills for t2 BSes and other goodies are in. Alot of the values seem highly unlikely but they ARE in :). I apologize in advance if this is a repost. *SNIP* Build Number 2.05.3366
What are you useing to extract the DB? And where did you get it?
someone posted the extract a while back..
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=183699
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2005.06.03 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey “How over powered would "Super Assault" be? I mean, solo'n 8/10 complexes would probably be doable. Can you imagine a Apoc with 80+ in all resists tanking with 2 T2 Large armor repairers? Talk about next to invincible.”
I assume once we get Elite Battleship at the same time Dreadnought class rats turn up. In fact I hope we get Dreadnought class rats at the same time as Dreadnoughts.
Don't think we'll get Dreadnaught rats actually. Maybe bigger and better 'leet BS rats, or rats of the carrier and flagship variety ... but since Dreads are siege specialists, however powerful, they're not you're run of the mill 'gate guard' or 'belt guard' ships.
Same reason we don't see that many rat logistics, ice miners, etc. ... unless CCP eventually plans for NPC's to come knocking at random POS's from time to time (which would be strange ... server fighting itself while the POS owners are at work).
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.04 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Luc Boye Well elite battleships will be needed, because, eventually tech1 battleships of today will become obsolete, just like cruisers. Heres my view on things:
1.) instas will get a nerf, resulting in longer travel times 2.) as a result of 1.) most of the pvp attacks will be carried out in frigs/inties/assault ships and HACs. Battleships wont stand a chance of moving across the map before the enemy blob assembles, most often much larger then attacking blob. And usually, blobbing doesnt mean fight. Its just boring. Not saying that it wont happen at all, it will happen more and more seldom. 3.) when enough corps have gathered ISK, the dreadnaughts will be brought as heavy siege crafts for blob fighting and POS attacks. 4.) in half a year, nobody will be flying bs anymore, cos there will be no reason. Fast attacks? Bring smaller ships. Siege? Bring dreadnaughts.
Same thing happened to cruisers, really, and except some die hard fan of thorax with 1600 plates and small guns (its mainly used as humiliation drone platform anyway) nobody really flies cruisers nowadays, cos their firepower just doesnt weigh vs their lack of mobility and sig radius.
agree 100%
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Kaskea Reginetta
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Posted - 2005.06.04 00:28:00 -
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there will be dread rats but they will be commander spanws and lvl4 missions only.
Interdictors are in short mobile warp disruptors in a can. Carriers will be anti-Hac/Af ships will titanic drone bays.
Elite BS are needed but I think they will be borked in that they will focus on insane fire power over insane defense like the rest of the classes remember they are meant to kill Dreads and dreads are meant to kill titans/pos and T1 BS.
So you mostlikely will see fleets with say maybe 10-15 bs most of which will snipe or support the snipers and run interference for the rest of the heavy ships and the BS will be aided by maybe 2-4 dreads for added fire support just incase another dread or titan comes around. the rest will be tacklers and close combat ships mainly,intys,af and hacs and people will keep their T1 ships in reserve incase they get podded.
The tactic will be having the smaller ships the crusiers,elite crusiers,frigs and elite frigs fight eachother till a victore is chosen then have a reserve fleet of t1 ships on the side to warp in and cut up what few bs there will be left since mainly the heavies will only have to worry about their counter parts.
BS,Dreads,and titans are Arty plat forms now and long range is the way to go these days,so people now need balanced fleets covert ops to get close and warp in ur up close damage dealers like blasterthons,gankageddons,torp ravens and gankaphoons to turn the tide of a battle or stealth bombers to sneak in and take out scorps and ewar ships then cloak and run for cover.
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