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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.28 16:08:00 -
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Wondered how the markets fluctuated right before Retribution hit and brought us all sorts of new goodies?
CCP Recurve was wondering the same thing, so he went and checked it out and has decided to share the information with all you curious merchants, marketeers, moguls, and manipulators. Check out all the sexy graphs and charts in his new dev blog.
Please keep comments on the blog in this thread. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4229
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Posted - 2012.12.28 16:19:00 -
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Quote:The biggest single buyer of containers in the period from the dev blog announcement to deployment bought containers for 28 billion ISK. ThereGÇÿs a good chance thereGÇÿs a station out there somewhere where you can get a good price on containers on the secondary market.
:laffo: |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4229
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Posted - 2012.12.28 16:21:00 -
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speaking of "mistakes from planetary interaction" CCP gave the CSM some info on just how many years worth of production was npc bought in the leadup to tyrannis, want to make that info public now for funsies |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
727
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Posted - 2012.12.28 16:22:00 -
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We had intended to hit GFC's with a couple trillion ISK the night before patch like ninjas, but you guys caught that mistake and fixed it. (this made me offload an awful lot of implants cheaper than I wanted)
So we hit Gazes instead. They mineral fountained nicely for us. For instant profit as well.
Good job on this patch though, you guys mostly caught every little really nasty thing, what remained was not especially economy impacting.
I am going to sound one warning here. We have had some internal debate on this amoung the, je...cartel, and while this might cost me a ton of ISK, I will say it anyway. The lower hulls were slot limited.... Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
154
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Posted - 2012.12.28 16:46:00 -
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Quote:ItGÇÿs heartwarming to see that the majority of players did not risk their money on CCP repeating the mistake from the introduction of Planetary Interaction. However, there were a few that did. I do not necessarily agree with the assumption that mass buying of containers prior to Retribution was only about mineral speculation. Although there probably are people that gambled on the possibility of reprocessable containers , there are others that bought them for an entirely other reason: There are a lot of stations out there where they can not be manufactured because of the lack of manufacturing slots. Now, for the smaller ones that's not really a problem, but Station Warehouse for example are hardly profitable to transport. I assume that you can see in your data that sales of such containers in stations without manufacturing slots was quite a bit higher just prior to Retribution than normal. I for one bought 'some'.
Anyway, thanks for the nice blog! Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Nakranoth Milesios
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
16
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Posted - 2012.12.28 17:00:00 -
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im just strait poor.. :( |
Selene Devros-Khan
Eve Waste Management Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.12.28 17:17:00 -
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Its a good month to have a miner alt :) |
Charles Javeroux
INTERSTELLAR CREDIT Interstellar Trade Syndicate
36
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Posted - 2012.12.28 17:41:00 -
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ohhh....nice graphs. Curvy and very informative |
Plump Bratwurst
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.28 17:46:00 -
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Anyone have a theory as to the CPI pop from March to April?
Granted this was before LP inflation from Inferno release.
Did fanfest have a big effect on day-to-day on TQ? |
Plump Bratwurst
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.12.28 18:12:00 -
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Was just talking about Inferno/future during Fanfest enough to justify the big gains?
Looking over SOV changes, only small campaigns and transfers, so I don't see big destruction/rebuilding as a factor.
The only other possibility (unlikely) was the fact that the Japanese release was in March. |
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2129
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Posted - 2012.12.28 18:19:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Quote:The biggest single buyer of containers in the period from the dev blog announcement to deployment bought containers for 28 billion ISK. ThereGÇÿs a good chance thereGÇÿs a station out there somewhere where you can get a good price on containers on the secondary market. :laffo: My hart goes out to you, can speculator guy... wherever you are.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
6593
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Posted - 2012.12.28 18:20:00 -
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Graphs! And economy! And stuff.
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
2900
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Posted - 2012.12.28 18:54:00 -
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Another proof that the market in EVE Online can be very exciting and is far from being a dull playground for bureaucrats without any imagination - quite the contrary!
The market, at least to some degree, is a violent and exciting battleground with schemes, manipulations, deceive and all sort of feints and hidden traps. It is a pity thought that often only a tiny tiny fraction of these battles and this excitement is revealed to the broader audience. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator - Volunteer Manager |
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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
730
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Posted - 2012.12.28 18:58:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Another proof that the market in EVE Online can be very exciting and is far from being a dull playground for bureaucrats without any imagination - quite the contrary!
The market, at least to some degree, is a violent and exciting battleground with schemes, manipulations, deceive and all sort of feints and hidden traps. It is a pity thought that often only a tiny tiny fraction of these battles and this excitement is revealed to the broader audience.
I agree. The issue is, the more public these entities become, the less effective they are. I still regret going public earlier this year. We had existed in peace and with hilarious profits for years without even CCP knowing we existed. It is a double edged sword.
So unless you are trying to improve the game, see TMC articles, there is little upside to revealing schemes.
We do enjoy giving the game some content though. Just a fine line to walk. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
mmorpg lol
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.12.28 19:16:00 -
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I doubt all the container buying was based on mineral speculation; I bought some station containers at 15k and now am selling them at ~200K. That is clearly mineral spec. I wish I had bought 28 bil worth of them... |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
956
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Posted - 2012.12.28 19:21:00 -
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Quote:The biggest single buyer of containers in the period from the dev blog announcement to deployment bought containers for 28 billion ISK.
Best part |
Fix Lag
427
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Posted - 2012.12.28 20:52:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Another proof that the market in EVE Online can be very exciting and is far from being a dull playground for bureaucrats without any imagination - quite the contrary!
The market, at least to some degree, is a violent and exciting battleground with schemes, manipulations, deceive and all sort of feints and hidden traps. It is a pity thought that often only a tiny tiny fraction of these battles and this excitement is revealed to the broader audience.
Thanks for continuing to publish the QEN reports and helping with that problem. |
Plump Bratwurst
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.12.28 21:09:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:Thanks for continuing to publish the QEN reports and helping with that problem.
Huh? This isn't a QEN report. They discontinued the QEN reports after the Jita riots, this is just a post with index data. |
Fix Lag
427
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Posted - 2012.12.28 21:27:00 -
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Plump Bratwurst wrote:Fix Lag wrote:Thanks for continuing to publish the QEN reports and helping with that problem. Huh? This isn't a QEN report. They discontinued the QEN reports after the Jita riots, this is just a post with index data.
whoosh
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.12.29 03:52:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:CCP Phantom wrote:Another proof that the market in EVE Online can be very exciting and is far from being a dull playground for bureaucrats without any imagination - quite the contrary!
The market, at least to some degree, is a violent and exciting battleground with schemes, manipulations, deceive and all sort of feints and hidden traps. It is a pity thought that often only a tiny tiny fraction of these battles and this excitement is revealed to the broader audience. Thanks for continuing to publish the QEN reports and helping with that problem.
To be fair, while the QEN did contain juicy numbers and whatnot for those of us into that sort of thing, it never shed much light on market intrigues and schemes and such. You may know me better as Corestwo: https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/corestwo
This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
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Kandreath
De Re Metallica
48
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Posted - 2012.12.29 06:41:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Graphs! And economy! And stuff.
Ahhh hang on - another dev blog on Market stuff? What's going on? ... I'm not used to this love.
The last one was only a month ago wasn't it? You're in danger of getting my hopes up. |
Aliath Sunstrike
Aviation Professionals for EVE
0
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Posted - 2012.12.29 16:00:00 -
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Aryth wrote:CCP Phantom wrote:Another proof that the market in EVE Online can be very exciting and is far from being a dull playground for bureaucrats without any imagination - quite the contrary!
The market, at least to some degree, is a violent and exciting battleground with schemes, manipulations, deceive and all sort of feints and hidden traps. It is a pity thought that often only a tiny tiny fraction of these battles and this excitement is revealed to the broader audience. I agree. The issue is, the more public these entities become, the less effective they are. I still regret going public earlier this year. We had existed in peace and with hilarious profits for years without even CCP knowing we existed. It is a double edged sword. So unless you are trying to improve the game, see TMC articles, there is little upside to revealing schemes. We do enjoy giving the game some content though. Just a fine line to walk.
I wouldn't worry about it too much. The vast majority of EVE players don't get trading (let alone scams, let alone dev blogs, let alone schemes) or know that they exist. It took me two years to even find the forums and I know guys playing longer who still couldn't care. They log in to blow stuff up. With that said there are plenty of old exposed schemes that have plenty of room to grow and still do. Yeah you guys don't make ludicrous profits but you still make great ones and like you said, you gain notoriaty and add to the content of the game...to me that adds more to the game and long term sustainability of all of us than keeping quiet. I think it is a win-win-win for everyone.
TLDR; I think you are doing the right thing walking the line.
o/
P.S. At the risk of complimenting the "all evil" Goons. :) You guys are great at theory-crafting and have awesome powers of observation. It adds a lot to the game. Now back to our regularly scheduled animosity. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
734
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Posted - 2012.12.29 16:51:00 -
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Aliath Sunstrike wrote:Aryth wrote:CCP Phantom wrote:Another proof that the market in EVE Online can be very exciting and is far from being a dull playground for bureaucrats without any imagination - quite the contrary!
The market, at least to some degree, is a violent and exciting battleground with schemes, manipulations, deceive and all sort of feints and hidden traps. It is a pity thought that often only a tiny tiny fraction of these battles and this excitement is revealed to the broader audience. I agree. The issue is, the more public these entities become, the less effective they are. I still regret going public earlier this year. We had existed in peace and with hilarious profits for years without even CCP knowing we existed. It is a double edged sword. So unless you are trying to improve the game, see TMC articles, there is little upside to revealing schemes. We do enjoy giving the game some content though. Just a fine line to walk. I wouldn't worry about it too much. The vast majority of EVE players don't get trading (let alone scams, let alone dev blogs, let alone schemes) or know that they exist. It took me two years to even find the forums and I know guys playing longer who still couldn't care. They log in to blow stuff up. With that said there are plenty of old exposed schemes that have plenty of room to grow and still do. Yeah you guys don't make ludicrous profits but you still make great ones and like you said, you gain notoriaty and add to the content of the game...to me that adds more to the game and long term sustainability of all of us than keeping quiet. I think it is a win-win-win for everyone. TLDR; I think you are doing the right thing walking the line. o/ P.S. At the risk of complimenting the "all evil" Goons. :) You guys are great at theory-crafting and have awesome powers of observation. It adds a lot to the game. Now back to our regularly scheduled animosity.
Well, that leaves CCP. We have to assume they monitor everything we do now. So, we have to operate with the assumption we are watched much like the CSM, even if it isn't true.
Ah well, that is what makes EVE fun.
There are things we have been doing now for months that impact a large portion of the economy beyond what people assume we do. Hopefully someday we can do a write up on that, when it is finished of course.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.12.29 16:53:00 -
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Aryth wrote:
Well, that leaves CCP. We have to assume they monitor everything we do now. So, we have to operate with the assumption we are watched much like the CSM, even if it isn't true.
*whistles innocently* You may know me better as Corestwo: https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/corestwo
This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
M1k3y Koontz
Blackened Skies
115
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Posted - 2012.12.29 22:19:00 -
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Nox and Isogen going up... that's why Hemorphite is better than Arkonor... as is Jaspet... and Hedbergite...
How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1075
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Posted - 2012.12.31 13:20:00 -
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mmorpg lol wrote:I doubt all the container buying was based on mineral speculation; I bought some station containers at 15k and now am selling them at ~200K. That is clearly mineral spec. I wish I had bought 28 bil worth of them... When you got close to a million station containers in some station, even jita, you'll be hard pressed to find a way to sell them.
Even just to profit you'd have to sell close to 100k (assuming the above numbers). Nyan |
Addicted2Space
Soimii Patriei Nulli Secunda
9
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Posted - 2013.01.01 15:26:00 -
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Those graphs have some sexy curves. I'll print them and put em on my walls. |
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