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Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2012.12.29 17:38:00 -
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I'd just like to stop the bullshit and propoganda a sec (for which we all do) and say this month has been without doubt the most fun I've had in faction war. This would not have happened if both sides didn't actually have guys and girls that fight it out off the forums and do the fighting in game.
I've solo'd, died in a fire, had epic small gang fights, fights that stretch across hours, ganked, been ganked, watched supers blob ****, whored like a pro, and had much good times.
Cheers to FW o/ |
SAJUK NIGARRA
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2012.12.29 19:25:00 -
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Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:I'd just like to stop the bullshit and propoganda a sec (for which we all do) and say this month has been without doubt the most fun I've had in faction war. This would not have happened if both sides didn't actually have guys and girls that fight it out off the forums and do the fighting in game.
I've solo'd, died in a fire, had epic small gang fights, fights that stretch across hours, ganked, been ganked, watched supers blob ****, whored like a pro, and had much good times.
Cheers to FW o/
We're coming to ruin your fun :) Cheers to you too o/ |
Gunship
FATAL Warfare Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2012.12.29 20:05:00 -
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Only my second month in FW and December has been good, been involved in over 100 kills so far, not sure how many ships I lost but it was a fair few.
So props all around Come join us for Amarr FW pvp-áaction. More info here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2145548&#post2145548
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2012.12.29 20:14:00 -
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Sure have been alot of fights this month, a nice way to end the year and good hope for next year!! http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Tsobai Hashimoto
FATAL Warfare Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2012.12.29 23:21:00 -
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saddly holidays keep me busy both at work and home but still managrd to get in a few scraps...and well a few shinny ships!
here is to2013! |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Vengeance 24eme Legion Etrangere
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Posted - 2012.12.30 06:50:00 -
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Been a very active month. I broke my kill record this month as far as evekill goes. I also lost more ships this month than the past two months combined. Enjoying the surge in pvp. We fly outgunned, We fly outnumbered. It's what we do. http://www.youtube.com/user/Flyinghotpocket/videos |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Swift Angels Alliance
851
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Posted - 2012.12.30 07:33:00 -
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I hope that the fun I had in December is only a taste of things to come; the strategic territorial war aside, Amarr-Minmatar faction warfare at the moment is the best it has been since I rejoined and only promises to be better in the new year. We may disagree on certain things, in certain ways, at times, and a few people on either side get stuck in your craw, but overall? Would shoot again. Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed. http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2012.12.30 09:42:00 -
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Due to my ever-expanding family, i've only had time to get in one night of peeveepee this month, but I still ended up with 50 kills in that one night O_o
I just hope once I get back in the game fully you amarr keep respawning and don't just go back to stationtanking and whining about SFIs :) |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile.
869
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Posted - 2012.12.30 10:07:00 -
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A plex fit Vexor will kill a dual prop SFI easily now. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.30 11:26:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:A plex fit Vexor will kill a dual prop SFI easily now. ... if there is a Dramiel to do 30% of the damage? I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
3687
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Posted - 2012.12.30 11:32:00 -
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Listening to everyone have so much fun in FW makes me all warm and gooey inside. Certainly makes all the bullshit that was slogged through to get this far worth the effort.
Now all we need is Bad Messenger popping up to declare "FW is dead!" one more time, hearing that never ceases to amuse me.
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2012.12.30 11:37:00 -
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It's okay. Annoyed that pirates can dock in FW space where some of us can't but overall it's decent enough to stay in FW. Maybe February drop FW if we stay in tier 1 too long since can't afford to pvp at tier 1 with my mindset of pvp. THIS IS GOLD FLEET BROTHER. WE DON'T NEED NO ******* THRASHERS/SFIs/CANES. |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile.
869
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Posted - 2012.12.30 15:15:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:A plex fit Vexor will kill a dual prop SFI easily now. ... if there is a Dramiel to do 30% of the damage?
KB doesn't tell the full story. There was a wolf and SFI in the medium. The wolf ran away after it became apparent that the SFI was doomed. Lots of other battles too.
http://inexile.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15685959
Fleetmate hopped on at the end there. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2012.12.30 15:57:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:It's okay. Annoyed that pirates can dock in FW space where some of us can't but overall it's decent enough to stay in FW. Maybe February drop FW if we stay in tier 1 too long since can't afford to pvp at tier 1 with my mindset of pvp.
I'd say you like to leeroy, but saying DAN CARTER MUUUUUUUURAAAAAAAAAAAAY is more appropiate. Project Cerberus is recruiting for the US Timezone, click here |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.12.30 17:04:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Listening to everyone have so much fun in FW makes me all warm and gooey inside. Certainly makes all the bullshit that was slogged through to get this far worth the effort. Now all we need is Bad Messenger popping up to declare "FW is dead!" one more time, hearing that never ceases to amuse me. Just be happy that FozzieGÖÑYtterbium took that first-aid course so that they were able to resuscitate the patient (Retribution+tiericide) after it died on the operating table (Inferno).
If only we were able to sue CCP for malpractice like we can regular doctors who kill their patients only to revive them all deformed and debilitated.
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Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2012.12.30 21:03:00 -
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Super Chair wrote:Dan Carter Murray wrote:It's okay. Annoyed that pirates can dock in FW space where some of us can't but overall it's decent enough to stay in FW. Maybe February drop FW if we stay in tier 1 too long since can't afford to pvp at tier 1 with my mindset of pvp. I'd say you like to leeroy, but saying DAN CARTER MUUUUUUUURAAAAAAAAAAAAY is more appropiate. At least I got chicken THIS IS GOLD FLEET BROTHER. WE DON'T NEED NO ******* THRASHERS/SFIs/CANES. |
Tsobai Hashimoto
FATAL Warfare Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2012.12.30 22:19:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Listening to everyone have so much fun in FW makes me all warm and gooey inside. Certainly makes all the bullshit that was slogged through to get this far worth the effort. Now all we need is Bad Messenger popping up to declare "FW is dead!" one more time, hearing that never ceases to amuse me. Just be happy that FozzieGÖÑYtterbium took that first-aid course so that they were able to resuscitate the patient (Retribution+tiericide) after it died on the operating table (Inferno). If only we were able to sue CCP for malpractice like we can regular doctors who kill their patients only to revive them all deformed and debilitated.
i dont know how much Hans really had an effect on the overal changes to FW. but he pushes for it and it is the most fun part of eve at this time.
even at t1 the isk is about close to high sec missions. around 40-50m isk an hr. cant ***** to much.
i do think it would be better to have only a -25% pen. but meh |
jjohnpaul xvii
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2012.12.31 11:29:00 -
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Christine - agree 100%, its been absolutely awesome. Thanks to your guys for the fun.
Hans - Haters gonna hate, Tinfoilers gonna tinfoil, Morons gonna moron, but excellent job. Thank you for all the work. |
Mich Farmer
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.12.31 11:29:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Listening to everyone have so much fun in FW makes me all warm and gooey inside.
What you are experiencing right now is the momentary warmth that follows when you pee on your pants while outside on a cold winter day. Grim reality, so to speak, will soon settle in. |
jjohnpaul xvii
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2012.12.31 11:32:00 -
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Mich Farmer wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Listening to everyone have so much fun in FW makes me all warm and gooey inside. What you are experiencing right now is the momentary warmth that follows when you pee on your pants while outside on a cold winter day. Grim reality, so to speak, will soon settle in.
Thanks for the update. Now kindly pee off somewhere else (WOW preferably) you massive pant peeing baby. |
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
3694
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Posted - 2012.12.31 15:37:00 -
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Tsobai Hashimoto wrote: i dont know how much Hans really had an effect on the overall changes to FW. but he pushes for it and it is the most fun part of eve at this time.
I'll let everyone decide for themselves whether I've had an impact or not.
Just for a fun little review of the timeline here - this is what I was specifically asking CCP to address back before the Retribution release planning was completed: Thirteen items in particular.
Of those, 9 are now in the game.
Two of the remaining items were items that CCP wavered on initially, eventually agreed they were important and added them to their backlog, but ran out of time. Had they not run out of time, we'd see 11/13 of my priority requests implemented as part of Retribution.
The only items I've pushed for that no longer appear to be on CCP's immediate radar, sadly, are the minimap alerts and improved industrial system upgrades. I brought this up again at the summit, but it remains to be seen what kind of effort CCP plans to invest into Faction Warfare beyond Retribution. Release planning for the next expansion will occur in January.
And now back to our regularly scheduled Amarr-Minmatar hug-fest. Love you all, friends. Hope you're all coming to FanFest! Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2012.12.31 16:06:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Tsobai Hashimoto wrote: i dont know how much Hans really had an effect on the overall changes to FW. but he pushes for it and it is the most fun part of eve at this time. I'll let everyone decide for themselves whether I've had an impact or not. Just for a fun little review of the timeline here - this is what I was specifically asking CCP to address back before the Retribution release planning was completed: Thirteen items in particular.Of those, 9 are now in the game. Two of the remaining items were items that CCP wavered on initially, eventually agreed they were important and added them to their backlog, but ran out of time. Had they not run out of time, we'd see 11/13 of my priority requests implemented as part of Retribution. The only items I've pushed for that no longer appear to be on CCP's immediate radar, sadly, are the minimap alerts and improved industrial system upgrades. I brought this up again at the summit, but it remains to be seen what kind of effort CCP plans to invest into Faction Warfare beyond Retribution. Release planning for the next expansion will occur in January. And now back to our regularly scheduled Amarr-Minmatar hug-fest. Love you all, friends. Hope you're all coming to FanFest!
As far as the industrial upgrades go, The 30% faster production and POS tower fuel reduction from upgrades would have been really good, so good that I can see why CCP didn't implement them. I don't think that would have been exactly fair to 0.0 players (although... anyone can use these station slots and setup poses in FW space...) Project Cerberus is recruiting for the US Timezone, click here |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
3694
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Posted - 2012.12.31 16:28:00 -
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Super Chair wrote: As far as the industrial upgrades go, The 30% faster production and POS tower fuel reduction from upgrades would have been really good, so good that I can see why CCP didn't implement them. I don't think that would have been exactly fair to 0.0 players (although... anyone can use these station slots and setup poses in FW space...)
If the number value was too high, that's understandable, they could have done 10% or 20% and it still would be meaningful for those that manufacture in lowsec. The issue is that there is a lack of a spectrum from highsec out to 0.0 with increased benefits going to those that place their operations at higher levels of risk.
I'm not giving up on the issue at all, there was a lot of talk about 0.0 stuff at this summit in particular, including plenty of discussion focused on re-balancing science and industry. They suffer the same affliction that we do, that is near-perfect refines in highsec space and the inability to compete given the extra logistical challenges we face outside of the safe zone.
Since it needs to be done anyways, lets say -hypothetically- that CCP decides to focus Team Game of Drones onto 0.0 for the summer expansion, instead of Faction Warfare. The income spectrum would have to be addressed either way, and just as 0.0 folks rightfully argued that they deserve industrial upgrades once they heard of rumor of it happening in FW, if they were to ever implement them in 0.0 I'd be demanding they put into FW just as loudly.
What matters to me most is that CCP solves the problem of the risk / reward spectrum in the coming year. Whether they address low sec's needs first, or whether they decide what the value needs to be in 0.0 and work backwards to arrive at a middle ground for low sec, is less important than committing resources to the issue in the first place. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Zarnak Wulf
In Exile.
876
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Posted - 2012.12.31 17:23:00 -
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I think for better or worse FW as it is will be its future form for a while. Null sec as an entity must be addressed over the next year or the general health of Eve is going to suffer. It is my hope that changes to make null occupancy more appealing also carry over to low sec. We shall see.
There are some other things that can be pushed for that are either minor or an extension of current plans. The scarcity of large plexes is a concern. A revamp of the LP stores would be nice. (Limiting faction ships to FW) rebalancing the faction ships, especially ships like the fleet issue scythe, would be fantastic. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
3695
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Posted - 2012.12.31 19:36:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:I think for better or worse FW as it is will be its future form for a while. Null sec as an entity must be addressed over the next year or the general health of Eve is going to suffer. It is my hope that changes to make null occupancy more appealing also carry over to low sec. We shall see.
It would be pretty awesome if the Faction Warfare community ends up showing as much patience and understanding as you're demonstrating here.... The 0.0 crowd has certainly been pretty cool all year while CCP's taken care of us.
It is my hope that any potential changes to make null occupancy more appealing still churn out plenty of alliances failing to take sovereignty during the upheaval, retreating to lowsec and providing much hilarity for those of us shamelessly willing to kick them while they're down (and teach them how PvP is done.) I hear the Amarr militia is a GREAT place to restock Navy Armageddon's!
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
435
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Posted - 2012.12.31 19:48:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:It would be pretty awesome if the Faction Warfare community ends up showing as much patience and understanding as you're demonstrating here.... The 0.0 crowd has certainly been pretty cool all year while CCP's taken care of us... Well ... there are probably a lot more null alts in FW than vice versa so they have a vested interest in a functional system to make the most of their farm-hands, besides .. where else are they supposed to get pew now that 90% of null is napped?
Looking forward to what will be very heated discussions on the future of null, provided of course that CCP continues down that infrequently trodden (in game industry) path of player-dev communication. In fact, I am so looking forward to them that the actual outcome is of secondary import .. null, for all their failings, do bring more passion to the table than most
PS: Should be noted that the December patch might well have been the first shot across null's bow had CCP bloody listened after FF (prior to the fuckup, aka. Inferno) so we hadn't wasted almost a year sorting that crap out .. just sayin'
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
3695
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Posted - 2013.01.01 00:50:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote: I am so looking forward to them that the actual outcome is of secondary import .. null, for all their failings, do bring more passion to the table than most
I think this is as close to a confession that you're a shameless drama-llama as I'm gonna get*. I'll take it!
In all seriousness though, thanks for your enthusiasm over the years with regards to keeping the conversation going about Faction Warfare. Someone had to step up and play the part of the angry-belligerent know-it-all, I suppose! Now, if only you'd come -participate- once in a while you might discover that the pew in space is more satisfying than the spew on the forums! (But what do I know, I'm just a filthy Shakorite.)
Veshta Yoshida wrote: PS: Should be noted that the December patch might well have been the first shot across null's bow had CCP bloody listened after FF (prior to the fuckup, aka. Inferno) so we hadn't wasted almost a year sorting that crap out .. just sayin'
I'm still amused at your stubborn adherence to the ZOMGCCPYUSOSTUPID meme despite it being pretty clear from the beginning that Inferno was a job half-done, and that more time was needed in the next expansion to shore up the loose ends. It was never sold as a complete FW revamp (if it had been, I would have joined you in calling them incompetent). Granted, there were some pretty hilarious fallout from exactly what got left to work on in the second half of the year, and we called them on it. But I also know you well enough to know there is some part of you (whether you'll admit it or not) that derives deep satisfaction from knowing that EVE players will be talking about the forex manipulation and the summer of farmville for years to come.
In celebration of 2012, "The Year of Faction Warfare" Let's take a journey back in time: its fun to reflect on how far we've come. ....And to put this into context everyone, while you see me and Veshta rattle sabers on the forums all the time, the bottom line is we've always shared a lot of ideals in common, and her work predates mine. In fact, if Veshta had any sort of bedside manner at all, she might have beat me to where I sit today. (People skills pay off.) Here are some of the things she wrote during the first months I was playing the game:
- Territory: Losing a system to an occupying force should have consequences, if system has a Militia station it will be under new management allowing enemies to dock but denying them access to services, NPC corp stations are unaffected.
- There has been numerous calls for docking rights based on occupancy, it will never happen, too harsh if you ask me .. people have lives and those pesky things sometimes call people away in a hurry.
- Complexes spawn throughout occupied space, they spawn throughout the day. Spawns (locations) based on occupancy rather than sovereignty (removes the DT shuffle in occupied hostile space).
- NPCs need to be destroyed to take a plex. NPCs should be strong enough to be able to defeat a PvP ship thus requiring either sacrifice by fitting for PvE or team-work. War is not a solo endeavour.
- NPCs have a variety of weapons at their disposal; missiles, short/long range guns and neutralisers (no webs/points though). Racial eWar is removed completely and AI will not be suckered into hunting a target they are unable to reach.
- NPCs prioritise enemies in range of timer over others. They will switch to next viable target if they do less than 5-10% of their damage over a period of time (pure speed tank not possible).
- NPC's are necessary if the current timer based system is maintained. Otherwise all we need is a frigate with propulsion mod to cap anything we like .. makes for crappy gameplay, zero fights and boredom.
- The more systems a militia holds above the starting point the harder (more VP needed) future conquests become.
- Agents allow two declines before standings hits are applied. Missions can go to any hostile occupied system, with an significantly increased chance of it being in the border-zone.
- LP for kills is doubled compared to present. LP for kills on grid in border-zone plexes doubled (or more) again on top of that.
- Map shows blob (perhaps with more intervals) as now but hover shows percentage contested state in 10% increments.
- Militia office interface revamped to show contested status of border-zone systems instead of the useless "additional information" pane. Make it into a web-page to use with in-game browser for extra awesome sauce
- Border-zone systems has an optional "contested bar" similar to what is seen with Incursions for easy reference.
- Other than missions being completely detached from the wars and being woefully easy/fast I do not generally see any issues with them so tried to keep it simple (CCP likes simple I think)
- Each militia will have to balance offensive and defensive efforts to achieve success, the uber-blob of doom will lose hard. Choosing the right system to assault becomes important as it can widen or shrink the border-zone quite substantially and decides access to militia stations.
- If/When hell freezes over and occupancy gets a real purpose then the game changes drastically in favour of fighting over and in plexes.
- There will be fighting almost non-stop in and around the border-zone. It will be fast, dirty and exceedingly violent .. just like proper militia wars have been throughout history.
Don't be fooled by the bittervet 'tude.....
o7
*I stand corrected. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1637
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Posted - 2013.01.01 01:28:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Listening to everyone have so much fun in FW makes me all warm and gooey inside. Certainly makes all the bullshit that was slogged through to get this far worth the effort. Now all we need is Bad Messenger popping up to declare "FW is dead!" one more time, hearing that never ceases to amuse me. tl;dr Remember me? I'm going to run for CSM8 too!
Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2013.01.01 06:27:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Listening to everyone have so much fun in FW makes me all warm and gooey inside. Certainly makes all the bullshit that was slogged through to get this far worth the effort. Now all we need is Bad Messenger popping up to declare "FW is dead!" one more time, hearing that never ceases to amuse me. tl;dr Remember me? I'm going to run for CSM8 too! With any luck he'll have company, too. You may know me better as Corestwo: https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/corestwo
This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
438
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Posted - 2013.01.02 14:53:00 -
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I was never irrational or one-tracked, but FW specific topics do preoccupy me .. mainly because I have made it my home and can't abide mildew in the corners, rats in the attic and leaky pipes which up until Retribution was what I saw.
Has gotten a lot better (personally not happy with direction), still more to be done but I have already begun shifting attention towards next expected changes (null) .. keeping an eye on FW debates as always though |
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