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Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
55
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Posted - 2013.02.05 14:47:00 -
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This surely begs a question regarding loyalty and balance.
Its not enough to trust for trustings sake (whatever your deity of choice preaches).
Look at the larger powerblocks - they dont have this problem from a large portion of their lower tier members because their loyalty is payed in kind whether that is through feeling of acceptance, ratting / mining rights in null etc etc.
Awoxing has absolutely nothing to do with either of these things.
Its a means to an end for instant isk and that is all.
These guys already have their ' loyalty' to goons etc etc and would probably be back in straight away so no threat of 'you'll never work again' etc. will work.
All anyone can do is be more vigilant.
TBH it is detrimental to the community spirit of smaller corps, however working as intended.
Just pause for thought for a minute here - wouldnt it be cool if in corp assasinations or awoxing could be punished by the ceo through an instant eve wide security drop - say instant -5 on every occurence.
Bear with me here before anyone throws their toys out of the pram.....
With the introduction of the new concentual battle thingy would not detriment in corp 'PvP' arranged fights.
There is a problem that there is no 'punishment' in the above case for awoxing. No cause and effect. No retribution.
If a CEO could 'punish' a player or even have some permanent record in game for this it would help alleviate this which tbh is broken.
I have nothing against corp thieves and spies as 'Eve is harsh' and this does bring amazing game play opportunites.
Awoxing however is not PvP in any way, its not remotely intelligently executed and just seems a 'loophole' to me. Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7565
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Posted - 2013.02.05 15:01:00 -
[272] - Quote
Yim Sei wrote:This surely begs a question regarding loyalty and balance.
Its not enough to trust for trustings sake (whatever your deity of choice preaches).
Look at the larger powerblocks - they dont have this problem from a large portion of their lower tier members because their loyalty is payed in kind whether that is through feeling of acceptance, ratting / mining rights in null etc etc.
Awoxing has absolutely nothing to do with either of these things.
Its a means to an end for instant isk and that is all.
These guys already have their ' loyalty' to goons etc etc and would probably be back in straight away so no threat of 'you'll never work again' etc. will work.
All anyone can do is be more vigilant.
TBH it is detrimental to the community spirit of smaller corps, however working as intended.
Just pause for thought for a minute here - wouldnt it be cool if in corp assasinations or awoxing could be punished by the ceo through an instant eve wide security drop - say instant -5 on every occurence.
Bear with me here before anyone throws their toys out of the pram.....
With the introduction of the new concentual battle thingy would not detriment in corp 'PvP' arranged fights.
There is a problem that there is no 'punishment' in the above case for awoxing. No cause and effect. No retribution.
If a CEO could 'punish' a player or even have some permanent record in game for this it would help alleviate this which tbh is broken.
I have nothing against corp thieves and spies as 'Eve is harsh' and this does bring amazing game play opportunites.
Awoxing however is not PvP in any way, its not remotely intelligently executed and just seems a 'loophole' to me.
Yes there's no possible way that this could be abused amirite? It's difficult enough to persuade players to take a chance on joining corps without them risking banishment from hi-sec if the **** the corp CEO off for some reason. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance
373
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Posted - 2013.02.05 15:07:00 -
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You lose not even a bill and turtle hard?
really? REALLY?
I guess it kinda depends how much fun you were having with other people although you post reads more like "I started a low tax corp so I could get tax of mission runners."
rather than, I started a corp to achieve something. |
Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
55
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Posted - 2013.02.05 15:09:00 -
[274] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Yim Sei wrote:wouldnt it be cool if in corp assasinations or awoxing could be punished by the ceo through an instant eve wide security drop Yes there's no possible way that this could be abused amirite? It's difficult enough to persuade players to take a chance on joining corps without them risking banishment from hi-sec if the **** the corp CEO off for some reason.
Please read posts carefully before posting.
How is a CEO going to get a player to kill a corpmate anyway with the prize being a security drop?
There is a risk there and without reward, it wont happen so your argument is ......neither here nor there Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts. |
Provence Tristram
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.02.05 15:11:00 -
[275] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Yim Sei wrote:This surely begs a question regarding loyalty and balance.
Its not enough to trust for trustings sake (whatever your deity of choice preaches).
Look at the larger powerblocks - they dont have this problem from a large portion of their lower tier members because their loyalty is payed in kind whether that is through feeling of acceptance, ratting / mining rights in null etc etc.
Awoxing has absolutely nothing to do with either of these things.
Its a means to an end for instant isk and that is all.
These guys already have their ' loyalty' to goons etc etc and would probably be back in straight away so no threat of 'you'll never work again' etc. will work.
All anyone can do is be more vigilant.
TBH it is detrimental to the community spirit of smaller corps, however working as intended.
Just pause for thought for a minute here - wouldnt it be cool if in corp assasinations or awoxing could be punished by the ceo through an instant eve wide security drop - say instant -5 on every occurence.
Bear with me here before anyone throws their toys out of the pram.....
With the introduction of the new concentual battle thingy would not detriment in corp 'PvP' arranged fights.
There is a problem that there is no 'punishment' in the above case for awoxing. No cause and effect. No retribution.
If a CEO could 'punish' a player or even have some permanent record in game for this it would help alleviate this which tbh is broken.
I have nothing against corp thieves and spies as 'Eve is harsh' and this does bring amazing game play opportunites.
Awoxing however is not PvP in any way, its not remotely intelligently executed and just seems a 'loophole' to me. Yes there's no possible way that this could be abused amirite? It's difficult enough to persuade players to take a chance on joining corps without them risking banishment from hi-sec if the **** the corp CEO off for some reason.
Well, the most obvious safeguard to having that happen is to create a window, or short length of time, where this 'scarlet letter' can be tagged onto the offending player. And that window is only triggered if the offending player Awoxes someone.
EVE is based on a high-information era in evolution. If a person joined a corporation and then attempted to murder their CEO IRL, don't you think that person would then carry the implications of that action with them forever? Malcanis is right -- this is something of a loophole. If someone does something like this, in the least other players should know they did it before when recruiting them. EVE is supposedly built around this idea that actions have consequences. IE, you can fly your PvE boat into nulsec and get blown out of the stars and nobody is going to hand you another billion ISK ship. But the same thing should apply to social interactions. If you do something inherently underhanded for little cause other than lawls, the system should remember it. |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
315
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Posted - 2013.02.05 15:11:00 -
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Mister S Burke wrote: My bad, you will have to excuse me, I'm American so I'm not used to censorship.
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March rabbit
Aliastra
519
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Posted - 2013.02.05 15:12:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:... Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase.
people say: Eve is all about consequences.
For normal players it means: never trust anyone with goonswarm in history.
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
138
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:43:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:Definition of a poster child for the combination of moral decay and genetic drift? See below. lollerwaffle wrote:
PAGING JENN ASIDE, JENN ASIDE, PLEASE REPORT TO TO THREAD. FINAL CALL FOR JENN ASIDE.
Anyway to pick apart your post: 1. You need a maturity check if players doing bad things to you results in you calling them a whole bunch of pretty names. The pure unadulterated irony of a "mature" person such as yourself calling other players immature is hilarious.
2. Your perception of the reality of the game is based on...? Actually, I'll concede that I am a generally nice guy and look to make friends. I also hang out with my friends and help each other out. But we also shoot other people, and get our rocks of shooting other people, while helping each other out and hanging out.
3. He has figured out how he wants to play it, and indeed has the right to do so. He chose to be what you yourself would call an immature jerk, and kicked everyone out of his corp because 1 person, that's right, 1 person shot him 100km off the station, in his ****-fit CNR.
4. Similarly, other people also paid their subscription fee and have the right to play how they want. Stop being a hypocrite.
So you resort to name calling when you have no argument? How cute and original
Although I don't feel any particular need to defend myself, it's more of a statement of opining than a 'name'. |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
138
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:45:00 -
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TL. NPIR. Try somewhere else.
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
139
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:49:00 -
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Kanexus wrote:something happened like this when i first played...someone i met through local we talked for a few hours and he needed a corp i offered him the one i was in and to make a long story short he blew up my hulk while i was mining. i mean i dont get it myself we talked for a few hours seemed nice etc. i mean people realize that yeah they got you hahaha but they missed out on possibly great people to fly with...maybe even romances if one is a chick. i mean at least null sec and pirates u know what u getting urself into...what happened to you OP is just plain being an *******!
This is exactly the point I am trying to make. I'm hoping that no one else will do the same thing.
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
139
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:53:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:OP, you are a terrible leader on so many levels. Stop being a CEO, and learn the game as a grunt. Once you have 2-3 years under your belt following someone who actually has a clue on how to lead a corp and actually learning from them(that learning part is key) then consider trying to run your own corp again.
If you want to play a game like this, but without the griefers, may I suggest Freelancer?
Your CNR fit was demanded because it is a gauge of how much you actually know about the game, which was revealed to be less than my wife who has played for a month knows, and with considerably less knowledge of how to lead.
As a final note, refusing to try another game because you have never tried another online game is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. What is wrong with you? 'This is the game I choose, and it had better be exactly the way I want it or I am gonna whine about it!' is all the rest of us hear. Maybe you should take an EVE break and actually TRY something else so you can make an actual educated decision?
Or you can continue to whine about how we are all sociopathic children, instead of growing up and learning something yourself.
I've been playing since July 18, 2009. My CNR fit was demanded, and largely provided, by the main mission runner in the corp, and was not listed correctly in earlier posts. Thank you for READING the thread. NGA.
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
139
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:57:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote: Hey brother. This is your tear drenched post not mine.
What is really amusing here is that you brought AWOX tears to GD looking for compassion and then proceed to call other people "moron". HTFU m8, seriously.
As far as 1%ers, I have no clue what your on about. Been playing for 3 years and have never ever had my gameplay "dictated" by this supposed group. I can only assume this is some form of "goonspiracy".
I shed no tears.
My gameplay is not dictated by anyone.
I don't remember calling anyone a moron, but it could have happened.
Other than that, are you trying to make a point?
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Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate Nuclear Arms Exchange
932
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:59:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:OP, you are a terrible leader on so many levels. Stop being a CEO, and learn the game as a grunt. Once you have 2-3 years under your belt following someone who actually has a clue on how to lead a corp and actually learning from them(that learning part is key) then consider trying to run your own corp again.
If you want to play a game like this, but without the griefers, may I suggest Freelancer?
Your CNR fit was demanded because it is a gauge of how much you actually know about the game, which was revealed to be less than my wife who has played for a month knows, and with considerably less knowledge of how to lead.
As a final note, refusing to try another game because you have never tried another online game is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. What is wrong with you? 'This is the game I choose, and it had better be exactly the way I want it or I am gonna whine about it!' is all the rest of us hear. Maybe you should take an EVE break and actually TRY something else so you can make an actual educated decision?
Or you can continue to whine about how we are all sociopathic children, instead of growing up and learning something yourself.
I've been playing since July 18, 2009. My CNR fit was demanded, and largely provided, by the main mission runner in the corp, and was not listed correctly in earlier posts. Thank you for READING the thread. NGA. I did read the thread, saw the failfit CNR, and it proved you do not know how to play EVE. The other posted fit(which some people are mistaking and thinking was your fit, sadly) is, as explained, a joke from a long time ago.
I've been playing since 2006, but how long anyone has been playing EVE has no relevance on whether they actually know how to play, which is why I didn't bother asking how long you have been playing, or mention how long I had til now.
You might want to read the whole thread while not in possession of a giant case of mad.
Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
139
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Posted - 2013.02.07 01:04:00 -
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Shawnm339 wrote:
I'd say the figure of sociopaths in eve is much higher? Why you ask? Because we normal hard working people understand that THIS IS A GAME, where we can be anyone we like..had a bad day at work? I can come on here and join a fleet and go and fly my anger out on some other poor unsuspecting souls...others decide to scam because maybe in real life they are genuine nice guys who work hard and want to play a different role....most of us accept that the people we talk to on here in some aspect may not quite be who's they be in RL in fact we might not even like them but in EVE...I'd suggest you're taking this spaceship game way too seriously
I've worked with, and gotten to know a lot of people over the years. Thieves, murderers, pimps, drug dealers, wife beaters, child molesters . . . you get the idea.
After three years in Eve, though, I have to admit that I have never seen so many dedicated sociopaths in one place before. |
Kaethe Kollwitz
33
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Posted - 2013.02.07 01:05:00 -
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hi,
I decided to just remove trust from the game entirely: dont let people into your corp, dont let people into your alliance - form a loose coalition using in game chat channels instead.
read more here ITS NOT AN ALLIANCE. ITS NOT A CORP. ITS AN IDEA. CLICK FOR BRAIN FOOD-á |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
139
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Posted - 2013.02.07 01:11:00 -
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Provence Tristram wrote:
- Would you be underhanded while playing sports?
- Would you cheat in a FPS?
- Would you hack a different MMO?
- Would you be callous while playing a board game?
Those are all game scenarios -- 'it's just a game' applies to them all.
1. I never have been, and never will be. It's a sport. Not even a game. 2. I don't do FPS because it all sux. 3. No. 4. Board games are very personal. you interact with the other players. If you don't like them, why play with them?
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
139
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Posted - 2013.02.07 01:14:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: On the other hand, EVE is explicitly and openly advertised as a game where spying, treachery, piracy, theft and violent coercian are not just allowed but normal gameplay.
As stated above, a diligent search didn't show anything like that. Linky?
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
139
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Posted - 2013.02.07 01:23:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:You lose not even a bill and turtle hard?
really? REALLY?
I guess it kinda depends how much fun you were having with other people although you post reads more like "I started a low tax corp so I could get tax of mission runners."
rather than, I started a corp to achieve something.
Achieve what in this cesspool? Run the galaxy? Move on to running the universe? I started a missioning corp because my miners are too expensive to use as pinatas.
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
139
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Posted - 2013.02.07 01:29:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote: I did read the thread, saw the failfit CNR, and it proved you do not know how to play EVE. The other posted fit(which some people are mistaking and thinking was your fit, sadly) is, as explained, a joke from a long time ago.
I've been playing since 2006, but how long anyone has been playing EVE has no relevance on whether they actually know how to play, which is why I didn't bother asking how long you have been playing, or mention how long I had til now.
You might want to read the whole thread while not in possession of a giant case of mad.
If you think that a CNR, fitted with CN Cruise Launchers, and CN BCSes is a fail fit, then fly safe, good luck, and leave the thread.
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Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
1106
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Posted - 2013.02.07 01:30:00 -
[290] - Quote
have you tried idk not mining and running missions |
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
139
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Posted - 2013.02.07 01:33:00 -
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Sverige Pahis wrote:have you tried idk not mining and running missions
That would make me a little more like you, wouldn't it? That is not a direction I am willing to go.
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Azazel Zorin
Militant Mermen LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
0
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Posted - 2013.02.07 01:56:00 -
[292] - Quote
I think the real world is far worse than EVE. Bankers, corporations, media, politicians...cant trust anyone of them. |
Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate Nuclear Arms Exchange
933
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Posted - 2013.02.07 01:57:00 -
[293] - Quote
Not Politically Correct wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote: I did read the thread, saw the failfit CNR, and it proved you do not know how to play EVE. The other posted fit(which some people are mistaking and thinking was your fit, sadly) is, as explained, a joke from a long time ago.
I've been playing since 2006, but how long anyone has been playing EVE has no relevance on whether they actually know how to play, which is why I didn't bother asking how long you have been playing, or mention how long I had til now.
You might want to read the whole thread while not in possession of a giant case of mad.
If you think that a CNR, fitted with CN Cruise Launchers, and CN BCSes is a fail fit, then fly safe, good luck, and leave the thread.
And this is why you are failing at EVE Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
139
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Posted - 2013.02.07 02:06:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote: I did read the thread, saw the failfit CNR, and it proved you do not know how to play EVE. The other posted fit(which some people are mistaking and thinking was your fit, sadly) is, as explained, a joke from a long time ago.
I've been playing since 2006, but how long anyone has been playing EVE has no relevance on whether they actually know how to play, which is why I didn't bother asking how long you have been playing, or mention how long I had til now.
You might want to read the whole thread while not in possession of a giant case of mad.
If you think that a CNR, fitted with CN Cruise Launchers, and CN BCSes is a fail fit, then fly safe, good luck, and leave the thread. And this is why you are failing at EVE
I've been playing for more than 3 years. I have good, steady ISK coming in. I don't see 'fail' anywhere in that.
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Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate Nuclear Arms Exchange
933
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Posted - 2013.02.07 02:14:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote: I've been playing for more than 3 years. I have good, steady ISK coming in. I don't see 'fail' anywhere in that.
You obviously don't see it, or this thread would not exist.
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
139
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Posted - 2013.02.07 02:26:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote: I've been playing for more than 3 years. I have good, steady ISK coming in. I don't see 'fail' anywhere in that.
You obviously don't see it, or this thread would not exist.
I'm pretty sure that you are the one who doesn't understand why this thread exists.
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Beki 250
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.02.27 00:56:00 -
[297] - Quote
Two days ago, I was looking through corp recruiting ads, and saw one that looked plausible. They invited me into voice chat, and I thought it was reasonable to join.
Today, my main corp, which I mentioned in voice chat, received a convo request from someone who turned out to be an extortionist.
Oddly enough, the people I had been voice chatting with said they received an extortion note from the same corp, same character today. Naturally, they thought it was because of me. After I gave the corp name, and character name, of the griefer, their suspicions were allayed.
Mine weren't.
If you can't trust anyone, why join a corp? 11% tax is a bad thing, but better than losing an expensive ship.
Yes. I can afford another one one, but why should I? |
Fredfredbug4
The Scope Gallente Federation
461
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Posted - 2013.02.27 01:09:00 -
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Trusting someone in EVE is like finding a stranger on the internet and letting them have access to all of your stuff.
Actually, it's exactly like that.
I don't think closing the corp is the way to go about this. You've mentioned that you've made a lot of money and have lost expensive ships before. I'm sure you could handle your most recent loss.
All you need to do is have a longer and stricter recruitment process. Do extensive background checks on every little detail of the corps they were in, and the character if possible (google is your best friend). Don't let them in on day one, anyone serious about really joining your corp will be willing to wait several days, even several weeks to join. Just make it so that getting in is hard but not impossible.
Heck, you can even create a smaller corp just to hold the recruits for a bigger corp, that way they can't do anything major against you. I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2531
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Posted - 2013.02.27 01:20:00 -
[299] - Quote
Highsec corps make awoxing hilariously easy & fun. Over the weekend I joined 3 seperate highsec corps in the space of 2 hours & awoxed a whole bunch of mission runners. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Beki 250
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.02.27 01:21:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Trusting someone in EVE is like finding a stranger on the internet and letting them have access to all of your stuff.
Actually, it's exactly like that.
I don't think closing the corp is the way to go about this. You've mentioned that you've made a lot of money and have lost expensive ships before. I'm sure you could handle your most recent loss.
All you need to do is have a longer and stricter recruitment process. Do extensive background checks on every little detail of the corps they were in, and the character if possible (google is your best friend). Don't let them in on day one, anyone serious about really joining your corp will be willing to wait several days, even several weeks to join. Just make it so that getting in is hard but not impossible.
Heck, you can even create a smaller corp just to hold the recruits for a bigger corp, that way they can't do anything major against you.
The corp didn't close. It just . . . reformed. :)
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