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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
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Posted - 2012.12.30 06:08:00 -
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"Yes, I have work for you. The daughter of a prominent Holder has been seduced by a famous Gallente holo star. She's run away with him, likely planning to get married as soon as she is out of her family's reach.
She was already betrothed to a perfectly suitable Amarrian man, a match approved by her family and her faith. Obviously, she must be brought back into the fold.
You will be well rewarded if you can deliver her back to her family before she can shame herself any further. If you destroy this seducer in the process-- well, that's all the better. '
So how freedom work for women in amarr ...you are not slave as long as you do what is told you to do?
You are free as long as rest of your life is decided by someone else?
Do one need to be empress to choose?
I am probably to savage to understand that what i am reading here is in fact some generous act of good and or god so if someone more enlightened than my self can/wish to explain this..freedom. "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again"
Leeloo Dallas Multipass - "Big bada boom"
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2012.12.30 06:26:00 -
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What you are seeing is the product of discipline and control oriented family hierarchy. Every culture has those sorts of parents.
Some are affluent enough to hire Capsuleers to chase down their children's new lovers... so, things like this happen.
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
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Posted - 2012.12.30 06:34:00 -
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Oh i am perfectly aware what it is...but if security branch of one of most powerful/biggest Amarr institutions is conducting "contracting" this jobs...
How many is "some" families. "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again"
Leeloo Dallas Multipass - "Big bada boom"
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1039
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Posted - 2012.12.30 07:11:00 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:Oh i am perfectly aware what it is...but if security branch of one of most powerful/biggest Amarr institutions is conducting "contracting" this jobs...
How many is "some" families.
One family with friends in high places is enough. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
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Posted - 2012.12.30 07:32:00 -
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.....as long as they have army of female kids "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again"
Leeloo Dallas Multipass - "Big bada boom"
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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
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Posted - 2012.12.30 11:29:00 -
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Social constraints are part of almost every culture when it comes to marriages. Be it in the Amarr Empire, the Caldari State, the Gallente Federation, or the Minmatar Republic, all in their own flavor. |
Simon Louvaki
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.30 11:34:00 -
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Its unlikely that this is common practice among the general populace, and the fact that the job is being contracted out to a capsuleer rather than being handled internally leads me to think the job is not openly sanctioned. That doesnt mean its not common enough to warrent inspection, but the Amaar Empire isn't as backwards as many try to potray it. Their Empress is a woman afterall.
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Sepherim
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.30 15:54:00 -
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Most answers have already been given. But there is one point that's important to add to the equation.
Mina Sebiestar wrote:So how freedom work for women in amarr ...you are not slave as long as you do what is told you to do? You are free as long as rest of your life is decided by someone else? Do one need to be empress to choose?
The key to this issue is freedom. We don't value freedom as you do, we value duty and being in the propper place and doing what is good for something bigger than you: the Empire, the family, etc. That woman has to marry the man her family has chose, just like the man has to marry her, not because she has no freedom, but because she has a duty to her family and such a marriage will probably benefit it in such a way. Running away only to follow her own egotistic desires is to let down all that surround her, and weaken the position of all the members of her family, harming them all. And putting herself above everyone else is a mistake few should be allowed to make. Sepherim Catillah; Ex-Imperial Navy Officer |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
235
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Posted - 2012.12.30 17:05:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Social constraints are part of almost every culture when it comes to marriages. Be it in the Amarr Empire, the Caldari State, the Gallente Federation, or the Minmatar Republic, all in their own flavor.
I have still to find this kind of behavior in rest of the empires,not that think there isn't any i do believe after all that we are all the same and often wrong in reasoning.
Sender of these information did have to decline contract again from another agent in another station effectively being blocked to provide further services as final result.This led me to believe it isn't as isolated as people here are stating ,but than again i did read to much in to various thing before.
Quote: Most answers have already been given. But there is one point that's important to add to the equation.
Mina Sebiestar wrote: So how freedom work for women in amarr ...you are not slave as long as you do what is told you to do? You are free as long as rest of your life is decided by someone else? Do one need to be empress to choose?
The key to this issue is freedom. We don't value freedom as you do, we value duty and being in the propper place and doing what is good for something bigger than you: the Empire, the family, etc. That woman has to marry the man her family has chose, just like the man has to marry her, not because she has no freedom, but because she has a duty to her family and such a marriage will probably benefit it in such a way. Running away only to follow her own egotistic desires is to let down all that surround her, and weaken the position of all the members of her family, harming them all. And putting herself above everyone else is a mistake few should be allowed to make.
If i try hard enough i see reasoning behind your answer just don't find it sufficient,i never before thought of love as egotistic feeling nor negative one,then again i do think that person right to choose is a given and no amount of planning by families to prolong influence and straighten financial power can justify man hunt as well as kidnapping their own pregnant daughter back.
Planing transaction of assets(daughter) on birth/before birth or sometime after is bound to spell trouble,people are not emotionless beings,most of as aren't. "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again"
Leeloo Dallas Multipass - "Big bada boom"
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Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
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Posted - 2012.12.30 17:34:00 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:I have still to find this kind of behavior in rest of the empires,not that think there isn't any i do believe after all that we are all the same and often wrong in reasoning.
Discussions have been made for a marriage arrangement for myself, in fact. At this point the process is stalled, and may not resume, but it is still a possibility. We do practice these sorts of things in the State. |
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James Syagrius
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.30 20:08:00 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:"Yes, I have work for you. The daughter of a prominent Holder has been seduced by a famous Gallente holo star. She's run away with him, likely planning to get married as soon as she is out of her family's reach. Ma'adame Mina.
Well we Gallentean men are hard to resist. ~smirks~ But forgive my mirth.
While I am a strong proponent of individual freedom, I can understand as a father the natural instinct to protect ones children from impulsive, uninformed and often dangerous choices. "We are what we do." |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
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Posted - 2012.12.31 01:11:00 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Social constraints are part of almost every culture when it comes to marriages. Be it in the Amarr Empire, the Caldari State, the Gallente Federation, or the Minmatar Republic, all in their own flavor. I have still to find this kind of behavior in rest of the empires,not that think there isn't any i do believe after all that we are all the same and often wrong in reasoning.
Minmatar women bethroted to the child of another tribe or sub clan to further improve or strenghten relations between both clans, forbidden marriages between rival tribes, or just weddings forbidden or decided solely based on Voluval compatibility.
Caldari weddings arranged between two suitable parties to ensure both man and woman are compatible, or between the same social stratifications, or marriages concluded out of contracts of various sorts.
Amarr weddings for the sake of political alliances and as a way to climb the social ladder.
Gallente weddings frowned upon based on the wealth of the other party, or just its ethnicity. Even if I have to admit that it seems to me less systematic in a Nation where individual liberties are often the primary concern.
But families are families and often overprotective, no matter the culture. |
von Khan
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.12.31 07:13:00 -
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[quote=Schereza Discussions have been made for a marriage arrangement for myself, in fact. At this point the process is stalled, and may not resume, but it is still a possibility. We do practice these sorts of things in the State.[/quote]
I must confes I'm glad to hear this
von Khan Philosopher |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2012.12.31 23:56:00 -
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As the widow of a wonderful man who happened to be born in the Federation, I feel the compulsion to chime in here.
Mina Sebiestar wrote:"Yes, I have work for you. The daughter of a prominent Holder has been seduced by a famous Gallente holo star. She's run away with him, likely planning to get married as soon as she is out of her family's reach.
The operative concepts here are "seduced" and "out of her family's reach." More to follow.
Mina Sebiestar wrote:She was already betrothed to a perfectly suitable Amarrian man, a match approved by her family and her faith. Obviously, she must be brought back into the fold.
It would have been more appropriate for this family to say that he should be brought into the fold. Again, more to follow.
Mina Sebiestar wrote:You will be well rewarded if you can deliver her back to her family before she can shame herself any further. If you destroy this seducer in the process-- well, that's all the better. '
Once again, the operative word to consider here is "seducer." Such impropriety is indeed considered very inappropriate and highly offensive to the Amarrian culture. Call us prudes if you like, but there are some things that even the most liberal amongst us know that you simply do not do.
Why was my own situation different? For one, my husband was not some fly-by-night holostar just looking for cheap sexual thrills. He was, in fact, the quintessential gentlemen, very well educated, and - this is the important part - he had adopted the Amarrian Faith. It was a lengthy courtship & quite formal, as should be expected.
Any parent of any nation would be quite concerned about their daughter running off with an obvious scoundrel. For my own family, however, my suitor knew our ways & customs and had no qualms about following them. So he did not "steal" me away from anyone. It would be more fitting to say that I stole him, if one were to look at things in that colored lens.
So let this situation serve as both hope & a warning to those seeking the affections of an Amarrian woman: Yes, you most certainly are welcome to court, woo and even marry into Amarrian families. Those who adopt our Faith and culture as generally treated as equals one and all. There is nothing wrong with this. But don't expect to go bed-hopping in the Empire, no matter how rich, famous, or clever you think you are. If you want an Amarrian woman in your bed you better be prepared to be there with her for the rest of your life. To do otherwise is to invite... well, this sort of inglorious end happening to you. EvE Forum Bingo |
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