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Fail Sui
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.08 23:44:00 -
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Also this thread is horrible. |
Fail Sui
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.08 23:45:00 -
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But I strangely love it. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.09 00:27:00 -
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Zirse wrote: Here is a man who has never tried to do any reaction chains trying to talk about the EVEonomics of oxytopes.
I think the first five or so pages of this thread have consistently demonstrated your level of dumbass-- you should probably just biomass at this point.
I ran multiple reaction chain towers in DekCo land my good fellow and run multiple low-end goo towers in low currently. I know that Gallente towers have silo bonuses etc. If ice supply were a problem - in the long term - it would be a case of changing towers and working harder to achieve the same level of reactions.
Perhaps YOU need to do some research as to why it is little more than an inconvenience to most.
They would have to run this campaign for a very long time to stop moongoo and only those without appropriate reserves would feel the effects.
As for being a dumbass. Look at this face. Do I look boffered? You're just another [yawn] poster that slags off other peoples' topics without actually adding anything.
Not agreeing with someone is fine. Attacking the man is well.... Inconsequential and rather pointless. But as long as you feel good.... meh. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Anela Cistine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 00:34:00 -
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If you are going to quote the rules, quote the whole rule, it isn't long. One line out of context distorts the rule.
Quote:A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.
An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated.
Goonswarm Federation is profiting from this action in many ways, therefore it is not griefing.
- We're making money manipulating the isotope market. Immediate profit.
- If the price spikes hard enough, it may become worthwhile to mine ice in nullsec for long term profit. Most goons have no interest in mining, but some of our member corps might. (I'm looking at you, Thunderwaffe.) Of course we have allied alliances that do like to mine, and just happen to control the right kind of ice. An amazing coincidence? No.
- If the interdiction is successful, it become more expensive to run gallente caps, supercaps, jump frieghters and rorquels. Potentially a major strategic and logistical advantage for any alliances that knew about it ahead of time and stocked up below 450. We're at war, if our enemies are inconvenience that is a strategic benefit for us.
- Secondary affects on reaction towers and T2 goods will also benefit us.
- Many of these ice miners are bots, and having them continue to warp back and forth between the belts and the station, mining in in their pods is pretty good evidence that they are bots. Popping miners and seeing which ones at like bots allows us to report them to CCP and hopefully get them shut down. Getting rid of bots benefits everyone.
Some goons are having a great time and don't care about the big picture at all, some of those goons might even be in our directorate. But there is a big picture, and we are getting more out of this than just tears. As long as we are getting any in-game benefit at all, the rules say it isn't griefing. Sorry. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
211
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Posted - 2011.10.09 00:37:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote:The Apostle wrote:Malcanis wrote: They don't have to do any mining. They just have to buy up all the available stocks and then stop anyone else mining them.
I rule out the economic argument as total BS. Alway have. Argument from personal ignorance is rarely persausive. There's a reason people use Gallente towers. Read my post AGAIN. I said as much. you seem kind of angry in this thread, and because i dislike you and i'm a sadist, that gives me pleasure toodles I have no need to get angry Mittens, stop flattering yourself.
And hey, dislike me, pfft... I'm not here to win your heart darlin'...
Besides, I am very comfortable in the knowledge that I don't need 7,500 bo peeps to prop up my ego Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.09 00:42:00 -
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Anela Cistine wrote:If you are going to quote the rules, quote the whole rule, it isn't long. One line out of context distorts the rule. Quote:A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.
An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated. Goonswarm Federation is profiting from this action in many ways, therefore it is not griefing.
- We're making money manipulating the isotope market. Immediate profit.
- If the price spikes hard enough, it may become worthwhile to mine ice in nullsec for long term profit. Most goons have no interest in mining, but some of our member corps might. (I'm looking at you, Thunderwaffe.) Of course we have allied alliances that do like to mine, and just happen to control the right kind of ice. An amazing coincidence? No.
- If the interdiction is successful, it become more expensive to run gallente caps, supercaps, jump frieghters and rorquels. Potentially a major strategic and logistical advantage for any alliances that knew about it ahead of time and stocked up below 450. We're at war, if our enemies are inconvenience that is a strategic benefit for us.
- Secondary affects on reaction towers and T2 goods will also benefit us.
- Many of these ice miners are bots, and having them continue to warp back and forth between the belts and the station, mining in in their pods is pretty good evidence that they are bots. Popping miners and seeing which ones at like bots allows us to report them to CCP and hopefully get them shut down. Getting rid of bots benefits everyone.
Some goons are having a great time and don't care about the big picture at all, some of those goons might even be in our directorate. But there is a big picture, and we are getting more out of this than just tears. As long as we are getting any in-game benefit at all, the rules say it isn't griefing. Sorry. I appreciate your WoT. Curious why you think you need to explain it all....
Nonetheless, if you took the time to look around, I've as good as said this campaign has merely flagged - to me- whether it should be allowed in the best interests of the game.
I have also stated that I have read and concede to the consenus. It's why I asked in the first place. I had my view and wanted to see what others thought. Mission accomplished. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Tyrone Cashmoney
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.10.09 01:00:00 -
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My client crashed yesterday, CCP must be griefing me. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
348
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Posted - 2011.10.09 01:19:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:The whole campaign is just kindygarten bully boy stuff and is about as exciting as watching a dog **** on a tree. It's made you cry like a little girl. That alone has been enough to keep me going.
Never stop posting. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Anela Cistine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2011.10.09 01:51:00 -
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The Apostle wrote: Curious why you think you need to explain it all....
luv2post.
I'm not good at witty troll posts, so I prefer to drown people in perfectly reasonable word vomit. On goonfleet.com or SA a wall of words can get you into trouble, but not here. Here I can indulge my desire to make big posts. I like big posts and a I can not lie. |
VaMei
Meafi Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.09 02:03:00 -
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Tippia wrote:They're just causing general havoc (or wellGǪ trying to, at least) and having fun (and profit) in the process, all of which is entirely legal. In fact, one might even say that they're playing EVE in its purest form. Again, they're not interfering with the game experience GÇö they provide it...
Love it or hate it, what the Goons are doing is proof that the sandbox is alive and well, and that what we do has effects on the entire game.
This is the Butterfly Effect on steroids. |
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Rocky Deadshot
In The Goo EVE Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.09 02:32:00 -
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I'm getting good lols from this whole thing, while I am a high sec "carebear", I enjoy a good laugh. My only concern are the use of work-arounds (some would say exploits) to get around the current sec system. For example, the use of Orcas to store ships and launch them for individuals to hop into on site (brilliant work around though.. kudos to whoever thought that up) so they can continue the gankfest after -5.
For awhile I've always thought that something needed a change in the sec system... to reinforce the -5 sec and you cant be in high sec... as well as the poding of individuals. Considering actually blowing up someones pod will have little to no financial gain for the individual that does it... and that it is against the rules in high sec, I propose the following changes:
If a player blows up another players ship in high security space having already attained a -5 sec status... concord will attempt to pod the player (make it so the player can still have a chance to get away) . Concord can continue to pursue this pod for 15mins or until the vacate high security space. With a possible banning from docking at stations during this time... although that could be left out. (obviously good pilots would never get podded from this system, but it would mean that they would have to return to low sec to wait out their timer)
The same consequence for anyone that pods another player in high sec would be applied. Again... its meant to be manageable situation that basically forces players out of high sec for the duration of their pod kill timer.
I know this looks like a buff, but its more along the lines of helping enforce the fact that high security space is policed and that the open use of work arounds and complete disregard for the system should be at least partially diminished.
Of course the other solution would be to remove Orca's from high sec... but other than dedicated null secers... i don't think anyone would really support that. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 05:35:00 -
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Rocky Deadshot wrote:I'm getting good lols from this whole thing, while I am a high sec "carebear", I enjoy a good laugh. My only concern are the use of work-arounds (some would say exploits) to get around the current sec system. For example, the use of Orcas to store ships and launch them for individuals to hop into on site (brilliant work around though.. kudos to whoever thought that up) so they can continue the gankfest after -5.
For awhile I've always thought that something needed a change in the sec system... to reinforce the -5 sec and you cant be in high sec... as well as the poding of individuals. Considering actually blowing up someones pod will have little to no financial gain for the individual that does it... and that it is against the rules in high sec, I propose the following changes:
If a player blows up another players ship in high security space having already attained a -5 sec status... concord will attempt to pod the player (make it so the player can still have a chance to get away) . Concord can continue to pursue this pod for 15mins or until the vacate high security space. With a possible banning from docking at stations during this time... although that could be left out. (obviously good pilots would never get podded from this system, but it would mean that they would have to return to low sec to wait out their timer)
The same consequence for anyone that pods another player in high sec would be applied. Again... its meant to be manageable situation that basically forces players out of high sec for the duration of their pod kill timer.
I know this looks like a buff, but its more along the lines of helping enforce the fact that high security space is policed and that the open use of work arounds and complete disregard for the system should be at least partially diminished.
Of course the other solution would be to remove Orca's from high sec... but other than dedicated null secers... i don't think anyone would really support that.
I have no idea what you're talking about here. There's never been a "rule" against podding anyone in high sec. |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
463
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Posted - 2011.10.09 05:39:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:I have no need to get angry Mittens, stop flattering yourself. And hey, dislike me, pfft... I'm not here to win your heart darlin'... Besides, I am very comfortable in the knowledge that I don't need 7,500 bo peeps to prop up my ego
shut up riverini |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
463
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Posted - 2011.10.09 05:39:00 -
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i would be very comfortable in that much cushioning too |
Rocky Deadshot
In The Goo EVE Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.09 05:54:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:
I have no idea what you're talking about here. There's never been a "rule" against podding anyone in high sec.
The fact that concord blow you up for podding someone in high sec would imply there is a rule against doing it. Just like there is a rule against speeding on the highway... you can do it, and suffer the consequences (although in eve's case your less likely to get away with it)
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
354
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Posted - 2011.10.09 05:57:00 -
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Rocky Deadshot wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:
I have no idea what you're talking about here. There's never been a "rule" against podding anyone in high sec.
The fact that concord blow you up for podding someone in high sec would imply there is a rule against doing it. Just like there is a rule against speeding on the highway... you can do it, and suffer the consequences (although in eve's case your less likely to get away with it) There is a consequence for killing a pod in high sec. There isn't a rule preventing it. As long as you're willing to accept the consequence you're good to go.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
474
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Posted - 2011.10.09 06:01:00 -
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Rocky Deadshot wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:
I have no idea what you're talking about here. There's never been a "rule" against podding anyone in high sec.
The fact that concord blow you up for podding someone in high sec would imply there is a rule against doing it. Just like there is a rule against speeding on the highway... you can do it, and suffer the consequences (although in eve's case your less likely to get away with it)
Just the fact that NPC pirates attack you if you warp to a belt and stay there (to mine for instance) would imply that there's a rule against doing it. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Kamden Line
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
5
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Posted - 2011.10.09 06:17:00 -
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Griefing:
Some guy has perma-dec'd Red Frog Freight. He then spread the decks between five alt corps. He clearly has nothing to gain from it, but continues to deck Red Frog.
Not griefing:
Blowing up some guys hulk in an ice belt. It would be griefing if I specifically hunted him down and continued to do it, regardless of what he was flying and when.
Let's just say there's a fine line, and most know when they've crossed it. |
Nerdy Deadshot
In The Goo EVE Trade Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 06:24:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Rocky Deadshot wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:
I have no idea what you're talking about here. There's never been a "rule" against podding anyone in high sec.
The fact that concord blow you up for podding someone in high sec would imply there is a rule against doing it. Just like there is a rule against speeding on the highway... you can do it, and suffer the consequences (although in eve's case your less likely to get away with it) There is a consequence for killing a pod in high sec. There isn't a rule preventing it. As long as you're willing to accept the consequence you're good to go.
Rules don't prevent action... They imply consequences FOR action.
Posting from phone so on alt. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
474
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Posted - 2011.10.09 07:16:00 -
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Kamden Line wrote:Griefing:
Some guy has perma-dec'd Red Frog Freight. He then spread the decks between five alt corps. He clearly has nothing to gain from it, but continues to deck Red Frog.
Not griefing:
Blowing up some guys hulk in an ice belt. It would be griefing if I specifically hunted him down and continued to do it, regardless of what he was flying and when.
Let's just say there's a fine line, and most know when they've crossed it.
Hi, my name is Malcanis and I'm in an alliance called The Initiative. We operate a policy popularly known as "NBSI", short for "Not Blue, Shoot It". This means that all of us consider anyone who is not in the alliance nor on the list of groups who we have specifically marked blue to be actively hostile to us. And that list is pretty short, by the way; I'm afraid to say that you're not on it.
According to our publically stated and consistently applied policy, we consider virtually everyone in EVE to be valid targets. We care nothing for the "laws" of Empire except insofar that they add a significant time/cost overhead to engaging targets of opportunity. Nor are we at all interested in your odd and unfounded belief that you're "entitled" to be considered friendly to us or that it's breaking some imaginary "rule" to treat you as hostile.
Our rules say that we can shoot you whenever we like, wherever we can, in whatever ship you're in, for any reason that suits our purposes. As far as we're concered, all space is hostile space, it's just that some parts of it has nastier gate rats with different aggro mechanics than others.
It's not personal - we're not interested in you at all as an individual player, it's just that, well, you're our enemy. We've chosen to draw a line with us and a very few select friends on this side: HERE <-- | -> THERE and everyone else on the "there" side. As I said - nothing personal, you're just on the wrong side.
Now as it happens, we currently have very few interests in hi-sec space, so as a matter of practicality, you're unlikely to be the focus of much attention from INIT. But rest assured that the second we find you between us and something we want, you will be. As it happens, Goonswarm Federation operates a policy and a philosophy similar to ours, albeit with a somewhat longer list of friends (they're much more likeable than we are). And it seems that a number of hi-sec players have interposed themselves between GSF and something they want.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
357
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Posted - 2011.10.09 07:49:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:As it happens, Goonswarm Federation operates a policy and a philosophy similar to ours, albeit with a somewhat longer list of friends (they're much more likeable than we are). You guys should petition to join the DCF. We can space friends. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Prince Kobol
51
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Posted - 2011.10.09 08:29:00 -
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The funny thing is I used to think the goons where nothing more then prepubescent 12 yr old outcasts who were playing Eve as it is there only way at being able to shout out against a cruel world where they are shunned in every walk of life and are hated even by their own family, as well single 40 yr old virgins who still living with their parents and are attracted to the younger members of our society.
However now I would like to put that to one side and thank them for bringing some fun and excitement into High Sec.
Well done and keep up with the great work |
Ntrails
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2011.10.09 10:27:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: Goonswarm Federation operates a policy and a philosophy similar to ours, albeit with a somewhat longer list of friends (they're much more likeable than we are).
it's easy to be likeable when you earn more isk in technetium during your morning poop than most people earn in a year |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
468
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Posted - 2011.10.09 19:29:00 -
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podded four guys in jita already and i'm starting to get the hang of it
podding owns |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
468
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Posted - 2011.10.09 19:34:00 -
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to be clear i am podding people for the sole reason to cause them to suffer with absolutely no benefit to me |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
468
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Posted - 2011.10.09 19:35:00 -
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griefing them, as it were |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
480
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Posted - 2011.10.09 19:44:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:griefing them, as it were
The fraternity of mission runners would like to to thank you for your services towards the implant market. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
85
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Posted - 2011.10.09 20:00:00 -
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Can't be bothered to read if anybody stated this but.
Hulkaggen was/is allowed. Precedent set and blessed. End of story.
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
45
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Posted - 2011.10.09 21:34:00 -
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I want to report some people for griefing please, I was out shooting people with my fleet today when someone maliciously killed one of my pilots, this ruined our day an dI am unhappy. Please ban all pvpers who are not on my side. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
214
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Posted - 2011.10.09 22:15:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:I want to report some people for griefing please, I was out shooting people with my fleet today when someone maliciously killed one of my pilots, this ruined our day an dI am unhappy. Please ban all pvpers who are not on my side. Stop crying, it must have been a CTA and is fully covered by the SRF.
You usually chase rats around PXF all day. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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