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Catharian Sabezan
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.03 17:50:00 -
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This thread is about the change of an era, specifically advice on how corps and allies of a very large alliance, should react in the face of this change.
Goonswarm has had a large presence for much of the past several years. They have been able too recruit off the Something Awful forums for years, and have recruited very few players from Eve itself. Those who get in are either alts of Goonswarm players or friends of these same players.
They have been so successful at recruiting from an external forum that at the height of their population, they had almost 10k members, in the last year or 2. This has also allowed them to run perpetual recruiting scams to Eve Online players hoping to join a nullsec corporation. Most are naive, but are usually charged huge sums of isk to join with the promise of an admission that never happens, or are tricked into giving a GS member all their ships and gear for "transport" into nullsec, only to watch these same guys disappear with all their stuff. This happens with the express approval of the upper leadership of GS.
However in the past year or so, there has been a gradual (some would say abrupt) decrease in player membership in GS to about what it is now...7-8k. Why is this happening?
Here is a series of graphs from Alexa.com that illustrates what is happening. Under traffic stats, first adjust the time interval under the graph to "max" which is 2 years. Then check the traffic rank tab, then reach% tab. Under traffic rank, it is startling to see how they started near the 4000th most trafficked site at beginning of 2011, to end below 8000th at the end of 2012.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/somethingawful.com
Under reach%, the % of global users who actually use Something Awful forums over a time period, it is even more startling to see how they went from 0.03% to 0.015%, a decrease in 50% of traffic over the same time. Since something awful is a paid forum, this also translates into significant loss of subscribers and money.
Given the continued hemorrhage and lost subscriptions, we can conclude that the fertile recruiting grounds for Goonswarm is coming to an end. I estimate that within 2-3 years, that Something Awful forums will be defunct.
Well can GS survive the loss of their recruitment base? Probably not, as they have a well established rep among current Eve players as being recruiting scammers. Even if they stopped all recruiting scams, rogue elements would still continue and they would only be able to recruit newbies. This is a disastrous recipe for loss of sov space over time.
Well current and future corps in the Goonswarm alliance will have to think hard about continuing to ally themselves with what will be a dying alliance. Ditto that for current Goon pets. Decide to stick it out and go down with a sinking ship, or join other groups and at least try to get a piece of the pie and get your own sov in ex-Goon space, including all the coveted tech moons that they control.
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Dave stark
1454
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Posted - 2013.01.03 17:53:00 -
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oh look, this thread again. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2042
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Posted - 2013.01.03 17:55:00 -
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Catharian Sabezan wrote:Under reach%, the % of global users who actually use Something Awful forums over a time period, it is even more startling to see how they went from 0.03% to 0.015%, a decrease in 50% of traffic over the same time. Since something awful is a paid forum, this also translates into significant loss of subscribers and money.
Given the continued hemorrhage and lost subscriptions, we can conclude that the fertile recruiting grounds for Goonswarm is coming to an end. I estimate that within 2-3 years, that Something Awful forums will be defunct.
Something Awful access is subscription based? This is news to me & apparently I now owe in excess of :3000bux: The Adventures of a Belligerent Undesirable |
Trendon Evenstar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
92
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:00:00 -
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One corp in GSF recruits from SA. One. Corp.
Seeing nothing but steady growth here http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Goonswarm_Federation
So please, pass whatever it is you are smoking to the left because the right is no bueno |
Sixx Spades
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
103
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:02:00 -
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I'm getting a sense of d+¬j+á vu all over again. Using a weapon as a deterrent in a diplomatic situation is only viable when you have proven that you have deployed it in the past and are willing to use it in the future. |
Catharian Sabezan
Hedion University Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:04:00 -
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I never said Goonswarm hasn't gotten new territory recently. But the days of that one corp that holds the entire alliance together are numbered. The writing is on the wall. |
Pewty McPew
Pillage Plunder And Rape Industries
51
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:04:00 -
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Posting in a Goon alt stealth whine....... er wait.
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iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
236
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:05:00 -
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Maybe people have realized that paying $10 for a forum account is stupid.
The days of GSF are coming to an end, TEST and HBC are the new big players. Track your wealth with EVEStats - https://ohheck.co.uk/EVEStats/home.php |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
13407
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:06:00 -
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Sixx Spades wrote:I'm getting a sense of d+¬j+á vu all over again. Yea me too. Had a double take there for a second. This threads no better than the last, so we're off to a good start.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Trendon Evenstar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
93
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:08:00 -
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Catharian Sabezan wrote:I never said Goonswarm hasn't gotten new territory recently. But the days of that one corp that holds the entire alliance together are numbered. The writing is on the wall.
I wish you were correct, and I wish that someone would invade us about it. Please, invade us. Gather up the biggest blob New Eden has ever seen and come at us bros. |
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Dave stark
1455
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:09:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Sixx Spades wrote:I'm getting a sense of d+¬j+á vu all over again. Yea me too. Had a double take there for a second. This threads no better than the last, so we're off to a good start.
at least this one has more words in the OP than the last.
still irrelevant, pointless, waste of time words, but words all the same. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
676
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:10:00 -
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While most girls go through a naiv+¬ period that causes them to date the bottom of the barrel of the male populace, eventually most get over it. When that happens those same males are forced to either grow up & stop being narcissistic self-centered sociopaths, or limit themselves to the increasingly younger naiv+¬ demographic of women, or be forever alone.
In other words, eventually they get bored with getting of on donkey-**** and try to get a real date, only to discover that real dates aren't interested in guys who get off on donkey-****. So they either have to bury their pasts and become functional human beings (ergo, leave the world of Something Awful) or die virgins. Or date Ann Coulter, whichever.
However, that doesn't mean that SA is ever going to go away, as there will always new generations of social degenerates to replenish their ranks with. The question is whether or not these new trolls are going to want to carry their grandpappy's torch & keep focused on the long siege of ruining EvE or instead move on to ruining some other, more easily wrecked MMO. EvE Forum Bingo |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3146
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:15:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Catharian Sabezan wrote:they would only be able to recruit newbies. This is a disastrous recipe for loss of sov space over time. Oh no, how would we ever survive by recruiting only newbies! Newbies are the best. 1mil sp maximum requirement. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3148
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:17:00 -
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Trendon Evenstar wrote:Catharian Sabezan wrote:I never said Goonswarm hasn't gotten new territory recently. But the days of that one corp that holds the entire alliance together are numbered. The writing is on the wall. I wish you were correct, and I wish that someone would invade us about it. Please, invade us. Gather up the biggest blob New Eden has ever seen and come at us bros. Confirming you should invade now and not in a few years. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Sixx Spades
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:18:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Catharian Sabezan wrote:they would only be able to recruit newbies. This is a disastrous recipe for loss of sov space over time. Oh no, how would we ever survive by recruiting only newbies! Newbies are the best. 1mil sp maximum requirement. My first ship was a Rifter. Using a weapon as a deterrent in a diplomatic situation is only viable when you have proven that you have deployed it in the past and are willing to use it in the future. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3148
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:18:00 -
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Sixx Spades wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Catharian Sabezan wrote:they would only be able to recruit newbies. This is a disastrous recipe for loss of sov space over time. Oh no, how would we ever survive by recruiting only newbies! Newbies are the best. 1mil sp maximum requirement. My first ship was a Rifter. As it should be. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Singular Snowflake
New Order Logistics CODE.
11
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:23:00 -
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Didn't we have this thread yesterday? |
Sixx Spades
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:24:00 -
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Singular Snowflake wrote:Didn't we have this thread yesterday? Yup Using a weapon as a deterrent in a diplomatic situation is only viable when you have proven that you have deployed it in the past and are willing to use it in the future. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3148
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:26:00 -
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Sixx Spades wrote:Singular Snowflake wrote:Didn't we have this thread yesterday? Yup Cange of an era and repeat of a thread. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2043
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:31:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:Maybe people have realized that paying $10 for a forum account is stupid.
It's the best money I ever spent. The SA community is really full of wonderful people. The Adventures of a Belligerent Undesirable |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3252
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:33:00 -
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Quote:The question is whether or not these new trolls are going to want to carry their grandpappy's torch & keep focused on the long siege of ruining EvE or instead move on to ruining some other, more easily wrecked MMO.
Goons are ruining EVE?
I must have missed the memo... To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
1778
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Posted - 2013.01.03 18:37:00 -
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Do not repost locked threads. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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