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Mahduk
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.05 15:51:00 -
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Hi,
I've always heard EvE is mainly a pvp game so i thought i must give pvp a go at some point.. I have done that now and i must say i'm really disappointed. Solo PvP is extremely boring, most of the time to spend warping around from safespot to gate and back while looking for targets. Takes hours and then the actual fight lasts about a minitue and there is very little you can do apart from switching on all guns and setting orbit to optimal range. I definitely don't see the point in wasting all that time for a few seconds of pvp time. Then, i tried RvB to get some idea of fleet pvp. This might be intersting to the commanding FC, but you as an individual are just a pawn and once you get primaried that's it, not much you can do.
So i'm really failing to see how the PvP in EvE got this reputation. I hate grinding missions but at least you're making progress, warping between safespots for hours is just a complete waste of time. Or am i'm missing something here?
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Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
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Posted - 2013.01.05 15:58:00 -
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*dons tinfoil hat* What did you say? |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.01.05 16:00:00 -
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So you're complaining about solo PvP, in an MMO designed to reward group play? Hmmm.
Also PvP is not a combat only term. In Eve, even ship spinning is PvP.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Mahduk
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.05 16:07:00 -
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That may well be so, but this isn't very appealing to me. Why isn't there chess with spaceships. Now that is a thought!!! :) |
Dzajic
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Posted - 2013.01.05 16:15:00 -
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Group PVP (or should I say, PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPvP) is even more boring. At the pinnacle of game you sit in a POS for hours until scout finds something and tackles it, you bridge in, nearly instapop completely outnumbers and out-powered enemy, and then you make you way back to your POS while observing how much has your KB stats increased. |
Mahduk
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.05 16:18:00 -
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Exactly this. Thanks as i started to think i'm the only one who sees it this way! |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.01.05 16:34:00 -
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One man's cheese, is another man's chalk. The beauty with Eve, is it's variety.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Rynnik
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.05 16:49:00 -
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Mahduk wrote: Or am i'm missing something here?
You are definitely missing something, but only you can figure out what exactly that is.
For some people it is the hunt that provides the thrill for PvP. Using the available means of intel (don't forget the out of game ones) to stalk, ambush, or run down your prey before a good gank.
For others it is the thrill of the risk of fielding enormous amounts of isk (for them) in conditions where they can lose it all. Pitting your hard won resources in order to try and destroy the resources of your opponents.
Some folks thrive on the ability to apply the mechanics that will allow them a significant advantage, even over someone with a 'better' setup. These people manually pilot, understand the damage dealing, tanking, and EWAR systems of systems and how they all interact to ensure that they are leveraging a huge advantage against someone who only sets the orbit for optimal range and hits F1 when in range.
Some people love the depth of knowledge and have every ship and common fit in the game memorized so that they are mentally prepared for any situation and derive a great deal of pleasure in understanding as many variables as there are in that portion of ship interaction in EVE.
There are people who seek the 'angry' comment in local and blow ships up just to know that someone else, somewhere is mad bro.
And there are more....
Also don't forget the EVE 'PvPers' who never blow up spaceships at all, whether it be on a political, economic, or other venues for their player versus player strife.
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So, yah. EVE is the best PvP MMO live in the world today, but the only person that can answer what about PvP is fun for you, IS you. |
Major Killz
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
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Posted - 2013.01.05 17:03:00 -
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Mahduk wrote:Hi,
I've always heard EvE is mainly a pvp game so i thought i must give pvp a go at some point.. I have done that now and i must say i'm really disappointed. Solo PvP is extremely boring, most of the time to spend warping around from safespot to gate and back while looking for targets. Takes hours and then the actual fight lasts about a minitue and there is very little you can do apart from switching on all guns and setting orbit to optimal range. I definitely don't see the point in wasting all that time for a few seconds of pvp time. Then, i tried RvB to get some idea of fleet pvp. This might be intersting to the commanding FC, but you as an individual are just a pawn and once you get primaried that's it, not much you can do.
So i'm really failing to see how the PvP in EvE got this reputation. I hate grinding missions but at least you're making progress, warping between safespots for hours is just a complete waste of time. Or am i'm missing something here?
Nope! That's the gist of it. While I don't use safe spots and I tend not to look for "fair fights" because if you do you'll spend alot of time doing nothing but roaming.
Most of what you've figured out is pvp. Some make it out to be more than it is. It does take time and effort to get good at but it really boils down to what you've wrote. Was you get good. All thats left is collecting kill mails after killmails. Hoping that CCP introducing new ships or YOU come up with new setups. Either way.
Your not missing much. I think what is more important than the rest of whatever is the players interacting with each other. So, bros enimies frienmies haters and what not. So, focus more on the player interaction part more and you'll get the most out of this game. The rest is meh! [SMUG]-áSORRY for party rocking! v0v
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Mahduk
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.05 17:19:00 -
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Thanks for the comments. @Rynnik: I figured out myself most of what you wrote and can confirm it but none of it does really tingle me much. I guess I have to find my own way, after all EvE is supposed to be a sandbox.... |
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.05 17:38:00 -
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Please lock this thread for inappropriate content. |
Mister S Burke
Giant Space Squid Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2013.01.05 17:58:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:Please lock this thread for inappropriate content.
Like what? Pointing out that EVE PVP is extremely Rube Goldberg and tedious? I'm no "quake kiddie" or I would be over on Call of Dooty but PVP here is too tedious.
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Archibald Thistlewaite III
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Posted - 2013.01.05 18:16:00 -
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Mahduk wrote:Hi,
So i'm really failing to see how the PvP in EvE got this reputation. I hate grinding missions but at least you're making progress, warping between safespots for hours is just a complete waste of time. Or am i'm missing something here?
You won't find pvp warping between safe spots. Those are for when you don't want to be found. |
Garr Earthbender
Justified Chaos
111
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Posted - 2013.01.05 18:21:00 -
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I guess 'pinnacle' is described different by different people.
Is sitting in a POS waiting for a cyno to drop the pinnacle? No. It is A pinnacle. Another pinnacle you could say is to 'own' a system by killing everything that comes into it, weather it be frigate or battleship or cap ship. Even another pinnacle is to be the king of frig fleets, or know how to engage a shield skirmish fleet effectively.
For me, solo's fun every once in a while, but I like the the interaction of a small (anywhere from 3-20 in my opinion) fleet. But yeah, to each their own I guess.
-Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine. -Paper |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
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Posted - 2013.01.05 20:09:00 -
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You're missing the big picture. PVP is a means to an end most of the time. People fight for the right to things. That is why EVE PVP is touted so highly. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Tsobai Hashimoto
FATAL Warfare Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.01.05 22:37:00 -
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you need to join faction warfare. even in eves dead tz (around dt weekday) i cant plex for more than 30 to 45 mins without a fight
i just hope from novice to novice plex earning around 60-80m an hour easy and get into some 1v1 scraps about once an hour
mostly ill get 1-2 solo kills then pop myself
its fun
when i want to get my heart going i fly a shinny 200mill isk daredevil. everyfight makes me thing. oh god this is alot of isk to lose lol |
Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2013.01.06 00:21:00 -
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FW is the best place to find all the pvp you want whether it's frigs, destroyers, cruisers, or higher (although you'll be plenty occupied with just frigs/dessy/cruiser).
Overall pvp in EVE is not so good to be honest. 1v1 is boring.
OGB makes everything lame and everyone complaining about it are the people who use it and know they will be horrible without it.
When you fly in a tiny gang like 3-5 people it's hard to find another group of 3-5 people to fight against, and when you do they typically run and call their friends and come back with 15-20 because losing ships is such a huge deal in eve apparently (i never got the memo apparently).
Anyway, if you want to blob around and be on the "winning" side of FW join minmatar or gallente FW. If you want to learn to pvp and be on the "losing" side along with get blobbed all the time join Amarr or Caldari FW.
In Amarr/Caldari you'll probably learn more since you'll pretty much never be able to blob anyone so you'll actually have to learn what the **** to do to kill **** before you blow the **** up.
With regard to fleets and getting primaried: yeh you're ****** without logi (with as well in certain situations), but what you do when you're NOT primary is in my opinion what makes one pilot better or another regarding fleet.
Also, there are some things you can do for EWAR ships in a fleet situation that can really make a big difference (with the exception of ECM...which is the lamest **** on earth especially when you already outnumber your enemy...but losing ships in EVE is worse than getting cancer apparently so no one wants to get into a fight where they might lose something).
Finally, regarding solo or tiny gang pvp, you may see a lot of targets flying around and such. the problem is no one wants to take any risks so most people tend to take fights they believe they have a 100% chance of winning and coming out alive without losing their ships. Most of the "solo" pvpers in minmatar FW have this mentality. In Amarr, there are a lot of people who realize that who gives a **** if you lose a ship.
Overall though, yeah pvp can be pretty boring/lame in EVE but FW is the best place for pvp if you don't mind playing the sovereignty game.
On another note, if you join Amarr (can't speak for caldari) you're probably going to run into a lot of pirates who are "blue" with the minmatar. Losing ships is so scary that even big bad piwats won't fight the minmatar so they just "blue" them. This is with respect to many of the pirate corps that live in the Amarr/Minmatar warzone. THIS IS GOLD FLEET BROTHER. WE DON'T NEED NO ******* THRASHERS/SFIs/CANES. |
Tsobai Hashimoto
FATAL Warfare Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.01.06 00:51:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:FW is the best place to find all the pvp you want whether it's frigs, destroyers, cruisers, or higher (although you'll be plenty occupied with just frigs/dessy/cruiser).
Overall pvp in EVE is not so good to be honest. 1v1 is boring.
OGB makes everything lame and everyone complaining about it are the people who use it and know they will be horrible without it.
When you fly in a tiny gang like 3-5 people it's hard to find another group of 3-5 people to fight against, and when you do they typically run and call their friends and come back with 15-20 because losing ships is such a huge deal in eve apparently (i never got the memo apparently).
Anyway, if you want to blob around and be on the "winning" side of FW join minmatar or gallente FW. If you want to learn to pvp and be on the "losing" side along with get blobbed all the time join Amarr or Caldari FW.
In Amarr/Caldari you'll probably learn more since you'll pretty much never be able to blob anyone so you'll actually have to learn what the **** to do to kill **** before you blow the **** up.
With regard to fleets and getting primaried: yeh you're ****** without logi (with as well in certain situations), but what you do when you're NOT primary is in my opinion what makes one pilot better or another regarding fleet.
Also, there are some things you can do for EWAR ships in a fleet situation that can really make a big difference (with the exception of ECM...which is the lamest **** on earth especially when you already outnumber your enemy...but losing ships in EVE is worse than getting cancer apparently so no one wants to get into a fight where they might lose something).
Finally, regarding solo or tiny gang pvp, you may see a lot of targets flying around and such. the problem is no one wants to take any risks so most people tend to take fights they believe they have a 100% chance of winning and coming out alive without losing their ships. Most of the "solo" pvpers in minmatar FW have this mentality. In Amarr, there are a lot of people who realize that who gives a **** if you lose a ship.
Overall though, yeah pvp can be pretty boring/lame in EVE but FW is the best place for pvp if you don't mind playing the sovereignty game.
On another note, if you join Amarr (can't speak for caldari) you're probably going to run into a lot of pirates who are "blue" with the minmatar. Losing ships is so scary that even big bad piwats won't fight the minmatar so they just "blue" them. This is with respect to many of the pirate corps that live in the Amarr/Minmatar warzone.
Some people are gonna hate me for this, But I like thie Dan guy!
Also if you want fun blob warfar, fly logi! its a lot of fun to be in a cap chain, swapping chains depending on ECM hits or if someone pops / dcs and trying to land reps in time
it is really fun to fly logi in null when you get hit by a good bomber run....damn its messy!
o7 Tsobai
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Taoist Dragon
Forced Penetration Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.01.06 01:30:00 -
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I like DCM too!
TBH it's character like him and others in FW that make it fun. With out these characters most of FW would just be a whinge fest.
I have found FW to be the most 'active' area of the game to get fights. weather of not you actively participate in it.
To the OP I would ask what do you WANT out of pvp in eve as it mean different things to different people?
Myself, I want fights. Simple as that. I fly cheap usually so I can lose plenty without worrying about it. I like fighting outnumbers/outgunnned if there is a chance to split up my opponents etc. I'm not particularly fond of being ganked by overwhelming force (blob is so subjective I generally don't like to use the term as it mean different things to different people) I also like to pirate on occasion and wander off on my lonesome and see if I can catch some ratters/miners/industrial type in random area of low sec. It has a certain zen thing about it that allows me to 'switch off'
In eve (not just pvp) you need to find out waht you want to do and make it happen otherwise you will jsut wander around lost.
Keep looking and i hope you find it as eve is an awesome game! That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
I'm NOT a Pirate! I'm a privateer! |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
384
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Posted - 2013.01.06 01:47:00 -
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Tip 1. Stop staying in ******* safespots... They are generally you know.. pretty safe.. and target free. |
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.06 03:17:00 -
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Is Mahduk your main? Because your killboard does not show PvP experience. It shows rookie ship losses and that is not a fair assesment of PvP.
You need to be in a good fleet of pilots that really know what they are doing. Then find another good fleet of pilots and give it a go. After 50 to 100 fights you can more or less call yourself experienced.
You can mine, mission, trade, etc. But .... 98% of the ships in Eve have WEAPONS mounted. And when someone shoots your ship out of the sky, you're going to want the skills to be able to shoot back. It's a game with guns. What else would the main focus be? |
YuuKnow
Inner 5phere
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Posted - 2013.01.06 03:42:00 -
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Mahduk wrote:Hi,
I've always heard EvE is mainly a pvp game so i thought i must give pvp a go at some point.. I have done that now and i must say i'm really disappointed. Solo PvP is extremely boring, most of the time to spend warping around from safespot to gate and back while looking for targets. Takes hours and then the actual fight lasts about a minitue and there is very little you can do apart from switching on all guns and setting orbit to optimal range. I definitely don't see the point in wasting all that time for a few seconds of pvp time. Then, i tried RvB to get some idea of fleet pvp. This might be intersting to the commanding FC, but you as an individual are just a pawn and once you get primaried that's it, not much you can do.
So i'm really failing to see how the PvP in EvE got this reputation. I hate grinding missions but at least you're making progress, warping between safespots for hours is just a complete waste of time. Or am i'm missing something here?
Join Red vs Blue |
Vizvig
Savage Blizzard Bora Alis
68
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Posted - 2013.01.06 07:19:00 -
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I stay cloacked day ...more
and this guy on gate waiting while my mining barge gets uncloacked one day ... and more
this is pvp |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2013.01.06 09:27:00 -
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If you are lacking an enemy to PVP with there is a very simple solution:
1. Join a faction in Faction Warefare. 2. If you are Caldari/Amarr go Eszur, if you are Galente/Minmatar go Siside solar system. 3. Open a plex and wait. Usually you will get a visitor in less than 5 minutes. 4. PVP |
Eight Two
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.06 14:39:00 -
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Meditril wrote:If you are lacking an enemy to PVP with there is a very simple solution:
1. Join a faction in Faction Warefare. 2. If you are Caldari/Amarr go Eszur, if you are Galente/Minmatar go Siside solar system. 3. Open a plex and wait. Usually you will get a visitor in less than 5 minutes. 4. PVP
Confirming this thread is about how to find PvP.
Seriously though, Eve PvP favors the guy either properly thinking about his fits or the best copycat over twitch gameplay. If you want more "action", you'd probably have to go look somewhere else.
People on this forum have a habit of portraying PvP as rocket science, when it fact there is very little the pilot can actually do during a fight in comparison to what he can do before it. The Rocket Science part is actually preparing for the fight and learning when/what to engage and the meta-game. In that respect Eve's much more a strategy game than anything else.
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
346
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Posted - 2013.01.06 14:44:00 -
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agreed, EVE pvp is really boring. Mostly it is just farming clueless people.
Sometimes you may get fun moments in PVP but that happens rarely, too rarely to see all that effort for it. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
387
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Posted - 2013.01.06 15:49:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:agreed, EVE pvp is really boring. Mostly it is just farming clueless people.
Sometimes you may get fun moments in PVP but that happens rarely, too rarely to see all that effort for it.
That is a completely self made hell...
You don't have to "Farm" clueless people
If you want excitement take a ship out.. find a fight you think you have a 20-30% chance of winning tops... and go for it. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
346
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Posted - 2013.01.06 16:38:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:agreed, EVE pvp is really boring. Mostly it is just farming clueless people.
Sometimes you may get fun moments in PVP but that happens rarely, too rarely to see all that effort for it. That is a completely self made hell... You don't have to "Farm" clueless people If you want excitement take a ship out.. find a fight you think you have a 20-30% chance of winning tops... and go for it.
when PERVS were in caldari militia we counted that if gallente brings 5x more players we will get even fight with same size ships |
Garr Earthbender
Justified Chaos
111
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Posted - 2013.01.06 17:05:00 -
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So much has changed hasn't it Messenger? -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine. -Paper |
CausticS0da
Viziam Amarr Empire
142
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Posted - 2013.01.06 21:18:00 -
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This is a terrible thread with terrible people in it. The fact that nobody questioned his statement that pvp is just about hitting orbit is just a small part of how terrible it is. |
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