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Marrnius DeLeon
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.01.11 22:48:00 -
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EVE with a touch screen would be so freaking amazing. Imagine if you could use your tablet or another monitor as the "dashboard" of your ship and have the screen clear of UI. SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! |
Jessica Lorelei
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2013.01.11 23:44:00 -
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OP...Did you perchance beleive the world was going to end in December 2012? |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2618
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Posted - 2013.01.12 00:59:00 -
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Marrnius DeLeon wrote:EVE with a touch screen would be so freaking amazing. Imagine if you could use your tablet or another monitor as the "dashboard" of your ship and have the screen clear of UI. SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
You only say this because you haven't tried to adapt a control structure as complicated as Eve's onto a touch screen. Complicated systems like Eve do not translate well to iPads and similar devices.
-A Game Developer Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6390
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Posted - 2013.01.12 01:00:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Marrnius DeLeon wrote:EVE with a touch screen would be so freaking amazing. Imagine if you could use your tablet or another monitor as the "dashboard" of your ship and have the screen clear of UI. SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! You only say this because you haven't tried to adapt a control structure as complicated as Eve's onto a touch screen. Complicated systems like Eve do not translate well to iPads and similar devices. -A Game Developer
Eve for Wii U "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6390
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Posted - 2013.01.12 01:03:00 -
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Hijacking thread for a second because I don't create a new thread unless I really really need to. 1 day to my eve break due to going in a wee bit over my head with university but I promise I'll be back so try to not screw up my forums or I'll find you (in-game) and I will cut you.... "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Ris Dnalor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
417
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Posted - 2013.01.12 04:12:00 -
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While this new fancy ( & expensive ) technology is becoming available, that doesn't mean it will be mainstream any time soon.
I personally have no desire to have a touch-screen functionality for my PC.
Laptop screens are too small.
Large screens need to be too far away for a touch screen to be useful.
I don't want to wave my hands about in the air to make it work either.
Look at the average age of the eve player, and realize that while technology trends might well change, the eve playerbase will not be the fasted to change along with them.
If and when it becomes a necessity, CCP will make the changes so eve can continue to be played.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
- Qolde |
The Hamilton
The Circus Corp Intrepid Crossing
49
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Posted - 2013.01.12 04:43:00 -
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The PC is fine. It just won't be used the same way. Internet cafes are their future. You will rent your time to access a high end PC that you have no reason to own. EVE will have to make some kind of effort to migrate to that community because as such only the most popular games are available. Cloud based clients I suspect are part of PC gaming future so to avoid this problem. |
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Black Dawn Rising
10
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Posted - 2013.01.12 04:47:00 -
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The only upgrade I want to see in eve is:
Neural Interface Immersive Reality Devices
A device which you hook up to your PC, and it puts you, In the game literally. Could even add a new computing platform called a "P.O.D." to house the entire system and Game. You enter the POD, lay back put on your headset/neural interface. Hit Load, and Boom, you are in the game and ARE your character or avatar.
The system would use the processing power of your mind to build the reality of the game into a realistic simulation indistinguishable from real life, with the exception that all you need to do to log out is walk over to a console in a station or in an emergency press the log out button located on a divice attached to your cloans Arm, or inside your pod.
It would provide control to the game through your conscious mind and thoughts, the 3rd person view of your ship would remain the same, your interface, setup how you desire and controlled by your mind. you would feel the metal of your ship the liquid of your pod, you would be able to walk around stations as if you were actually there.
For a more detailed and visual example of what I am describing watch the first episode of "Caprica". And pay close attention to their VR program. |
Wandering Eagle
RoughNeckz Beyond The Dark
1
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Posted - 2013.01.12 06:51:00 -
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To the OP: your a sad sad little miss-guided gamer
As a Indy game developer Would be Audio producer Web-master IT network specialist PC Builder and first and foremost a Gamer
your wrong and you opinions of steam's "opinions" are sorry. Steam does not make or break the gaming world It helps it maybie but of the 6 billion+ people on the planet about 4 million use Steam you do the math on the percentages there its not very big or widely held "opinion".
I play games for the love of games I play eve for the same reason's many do. At the end of the day Desktops/laptops are not going anywhere. I have been building them for almost 16 years, your not the 1st to say "they are on the way out" nor will you be the last.
As for EvE well considering if they pull off the dust 514/EvE cross platform integration. They WILL be the first ever to either under take such a task or to complete it. That said CCP is way ahead of 90% of the developers out there in that right. CCP is taking risks and making ground that will more then likely have other game publishers follow in the wake if successful. (when I say "IF" I merely mean if the console fanboys will stick with it after the next COD or Battlefield) .
Either way good luck fly safe or die firing I'll be on my biiiiiittttch'n desktop till I get a neural jack installed in the back of my head. |
ScoRpS
0utbreak Outbreak.
61
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Posted - 2013.01.12 08:06:00 -
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I love this game a lot and will always use what ever is necessary to run the game how I like it. And when I think of this game on mobile phones, touch screen pads and to some extent even lap tops, I shudder at how awkward it would be.
So as always its the software that carries the hardware. I wonder how many pc's were bought specifically with Eve in mind? |
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
761
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Posted - 2013.01.12 09:02:00 -
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Are tablets and smart phones becoming a lot more common and are they big business ? Yes.
However I wish I had kept a review of windows 8 that I read a couple of weeks ago. Where the reviewer actually compared productivity between windows 8 and windows 7.
The reviewer found that the keyboard and mouse was still the most effecient method to get things done. Businesses may augment with tablets but you will not see the keyboard and mouse disappearing anytime soon.
As somebody who owns both pc's and mac and an ipad. I have no wish to play a game on the ipad.
It really is the same arguement in regards to PC and gaming consoles. While gaming consoles are nice for some games the best ones are still on PC's.
Besides can you imagine playing a game for several hours on a small screen ? No thanks I would rather have a nice monitor and a keyboard, mouse it is just a lot more relaxing.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
Marrnius DeLeon
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2013.01.18 20:13:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Marrnius DeLeon wrote:EVE with a touch screen would be so freaking amazing. Imagine if you could use your tablet or another monitor as the "dashboard" of your ship and have the screen clear of UI. SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! You only say this because you haven't tried to adapt a control structure as complicated as Eve's onto a touch screen. Complicated systems like Eve do not translate well to iPads and similar devices. -A Game Developer
You're right, I am not a game developer and have never attempted this. That's why I expressed an opinion and used the word imagine. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1588
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Posted - 2013.01.18 20:33:00 -
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Ageck Kalenia wrote:CCP recently indulged in a bit of self-congratulation following widespread media coverage of their 450,000th paid EVE subscription. Mainstream news outlets, including Forbes, actually remarked on the gameGÇÖs success despite its venerability and outdated subscription model. EVE is proving unexpected staying power, growing steadily while other MMOs such as WoW have struggled to retain monthly customers.
This is all I read; just want to make that clear.
That's somewhat inaccurate and a little misleading.
They cited that they had reached a milestone of 450 "subscribers", but didn't emphasise enough that that was due to the reopening of the Chinese server, which took on roughly 100k players. CCP was able to increae their Chinese "subscrption" numbers when they reopened for business. Something to do with a new Chinese partner and marketting and such.
It was kind of glossed over in the article.
Anyways. It's not 450 people on TQ, it's more like 350k plus 100k in china. It's a milestone, but it keeps getting presented in a way that makes it seem like TQ gained an extra 100k subscribers, it didn't.
Just to play the part of the cynic. CCP releases a new expansion, at just about the same time they reopen the Chinese server, and then Forbes does an article.
Some companies have the forsight to go to a media outlet WITH a story. If I was CCP, and if I had a contact in some media outlet (keep in mind that CCP tends to get written about outside of the gaming press, and eventually people do get to know each other), I would have gone to that contact and said, "hey, would you be interested in writing a story".
Sometimes the writter goes to the story, sometimes the story comes to the writer, and every writter needs a story to write.
I'm not saying that's what happened, neither am I saying that doing such a thing is wrong. It's actually very smart. I would critisize CCP for NOT doing that.
There is intelligence in marketting. |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
325
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Posted - 2013.01.18 20:40:00 -
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As a happy owner of both a desktop and a tablet, I really don't understand why people are so eager to proclaim the death of this or that. They're tools. When CCP comes up with something that would work well on a tablet, they should publish it for tablets. When they have something that works well on desktops and laptops, they should publish it for desktops and laptops. If it can work on both, they should port it to both. Sales of all such machines are pretty healthy, and the installed bases are huge, especially given EVE's modest baselines for system and screen resolution.
I'd be happy to see EVE on a tablet just because the hyper-portability of my tablet would allow me to bring EVE with me to all kinds of places. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
236
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Posted - 2013.01.18 20:52:00 -
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Another thing came to mind on this whole "PC is dying" and "tablets/smartphones are the future" spiel.
In addition to previous points:
1) The market for PCs has reached the saturation point, whereas smartphones/tablets have not. The number of homes in the US, for example, with at least one computer rose from 40% in 2000 to over 80% recently. That doesn't leave a huge market left to expand into as was formerly the case.
2) PCs are a more durable good with 10-15% the disposal rate of tablets/smartphones. So yes, 122 million ARM devices sold per year sounds impressive, but not when 100 million are thrown in the same time period.
3) PC software hasn't advanced so quickly that desktops several years old are necessarily obsolete.
I'd make another point:
4) Tablets/smartphones, in some cases distinct from those in which they're simply bought in addition to what's already owned, are simply replacing the role of an underutilized secondary or even tertiary home PC/laptop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
Murk Paradox
Dvice Shipyards No Value
223
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Posted - 2013.01.18 21:08:00 -
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Ageck Kalenia wrote:CCP recently indulged in a bit of self-congratulation following widespread media coverage of their 450,000th paid EVE subscription. Mainstream news outlets, including Forbes, actually remarked on the gameGÇÖs success despite its venerability and outdated subscription model. EVE is proving unexpected staying power, growing steadily while other MMOs such as WoW have struggled to retain monthly customers.
All this attention might suggest the future of EVE is rosy and bright, but consider:
- The future of traditional x86 and x64 PC architecture is increasingly vague. Laptops have been outselling desktop systems for years, but tablet sales are gaining exponentially. A whopping 122 million ARM-based tablets and smartphones sold in 2012.
- Within two years, ARM devices will account for more than half of all personal computer sales.
- 97% of those devices will employ touch as their primary input. A full 50% will support gesture input and 10% will natively display stereoscopic 3D.
- The PC gaming industry has little appetite for Windows 8, as evidenced by leaders such as Valve Software. Valve is currently backing an aggressive transition to Steam for Linux, with a repository of 40 games and counting already available to open-source users. Valve is also throwing support behind Oculus Rift, a revolutionary developing virtual reality system.
All this points to something CCP isn't admitting: their flagship game title could soon become too damn inconvenient to play if it remains bound for all time to traditional PCs.
For the moment, EVEGÇÖs subscribers are loyal and (on the whole) pleased with the status quo. CCP just completed their 18th successful expansion, filling EVE with upgrades and goodies ranging from simplified combat functions to baffling trading cards. Players are heavily invested in EVE, emotionally, financially, and otherwise.
But ARM and other mobile technologies are maturing fast, with multi-core processors, dedicated GPUs, and beautiful multi-touch displays claiming long-established PC territory, both in performance and sales. As our PCs age, we will replace them with touch-based multipurpose tablets, hybrid smartphones, and lord-knows-what other concoctions of techno-wizardry. Those who do choose a traditional PC may find Windows taking a backseat to Ubuntu and other platforms. The fact that these devices refuse to run EVE-Online will not deter us from choosing the device suited to our increasingly busy and mobile lives.
WhatGÇÖs troubling is that, to date, CCP has offered almost no interest beyond traditional PCs. They pulled official support for Linux in 2009, citing low usage. Fanfest attendees went wild last spring when CCP purportedly demonstrated EVE being tested on Android. But nearly a full year later, with no updates, no announcements, and no beta, weGÇÖre no longer convinced. ItGÇÖs become clear CCP will never support many of the bleeding-edge technologies we most covet GÇô mobile computing, open source operating systems, stereoscopic 3D, touch and gesture input, and virtual reality.
I predict a tipping point, perhaps one to two years in the future, where EVE fans, torn between a device that suits their needs and a device that runs EVE, will inevitably cancel their subscriptions and embrace a new era of personal computing. CCP will trumpet new expansions, drop all the tweaks and player content their little hearts desire, and even lower subscription prices, but the damage will be done.
CCP has time to pull it together, but itGÇÖs understandably harder and less interesting than designing new battlecruisers or tweaking mining yields. Bringing internet spaceships to a new generation of devices demands a complete interface overhaul, perhaps even a full-scale client rewrite. But in EVEGÇÖs greatest challenge lies also its greatest opportunity. Mobile and open-source gaming platforms are bringing accessibility and exposure to untouched masses. If CCP canGÇÖt get excited about retaining existing gamers, maybe the prospect of millions of potential new subscribers will whet their appetite for the job at hand.
Becareful in regards to citing hardware reasons for a software game. Things might be changing at the end of this year when MS officially discontinues support for WinXP. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url] for details. |
Nick Asir
Triple Helix Corporation
2
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Posted - 2013.01.18 21:24:00 -
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I agree with OP. The future is coming whether you are ready for it or not. You can say that we will never grow out of bulky desktops and mouse and keyboard interfaces, but just remember very similar things were said when television first came out. Who would want to sit around a flashing box all day when you can just listen to the radio anyway? |
Juno Valerii
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.01.19 00:44:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Hijacking thread for a second because I don't create a new thread unless I really really need to. 1 day to my eve break due to going in a wee bit over my head with university but I promise I'll be back so try to not screw up my forums or I'll find you (in-game) and I will cut you....
Good luck!
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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1290
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Posted - 2013.01.19 04:13:00 -
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Nick Asir wrote:I agree with OP. The future is coming whether you are ready for it or not. You can say that we will never grow out of bulky desktops and mouse and keyboard interfaces, but just remember very similar things were said when television first came out. Who would want to sit around a flashing box all day when you can just listen to the radio anyway?
That was a VERY different situation. If you want to go down that road, tell me... what happened to 3D movies in the 1950s? Did you know that they made 3D movies in the 50s?
What happened to them? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6745
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Posted - 2013.01.19 05:42:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Nick Asir wrote:I agree with OP. The future is coming whether you are ready for it or not. You can say that we will never grow out of bulky desktops and mouse and keyboard interfaces, but just remember very similar things were said when television first came out. Who would want to sit around a flashing box all day when you can just listen to the radio anyway? That was a VERY different situation. If you want to go down that road, tell me... what happened to 3D movies in the 1950s? Did you know that they made 3D movies in the 50s? What happened to them?
Didn't go the way of Smell-O-Vision which sounds so much more awesome (wake up pron industry! You could use this!) "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2118
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Posted - 2013.01.19 09:42:00 -
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Marrnius DeLeon wrote:EVE with a touch screen would be so freaking amazing. Imagine if you could use your tablet or another monitor as the "dashboard" of your ship and have the screen clear of UI. SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! I would, but going by your tastes Apple Inc. already has most of it. |
Seranova Farreach
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2013.01.30 11:04:00 -
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eve dosnt have an outdated model. pay long enough till you become self sustaining (PLEX) that is all. what else.. oh yes Dust intergration. and after all the rebalanceing fine tweeks and modual pos's and possable highsec player owned customes offices we may see INCARNA part 2 so we can actually go through that fabled door.
and eve has been improveing its grafics by leaps and bounds unlike other games (of which i shall not even mention) hell even DX11 tesalation soon iirc and possably even 3d support. eve + 3D... clean up isle 3! |
Seranova Farreach
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2013.01.30 11:05:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Nick Asir wrote:I agree with OP. The future is coming whether you are ready for it or not. You can say that we will never grow out of bulky desktops and mouse and keyboard interfaces, but just remember very similar things were said when television first came out. Who would want to sit around a flashing box all day when you can just listen to the radio anyway? That was a VERY different situation. If you want to go down that road, tell me... what happened to 3D movies in the 1950s? Did you know that they made 3D movies in the 50s? What happened to them? Didn't go the way of Smell-O-Vision which sounds so much more awesome (wake up pron industry! You could use this!)
yeah im sure meny people are waiting for 3D pron and smell-o-vision **** (god forbid) |
Rek Seven
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
607
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Posted - 2013.01.30 11:10:00 -
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Yeah because everyone wants to play games on a tablet PC... Why i play EVE:-á20% for gameplay experience, 30% for the social aspect and 50% because of CCPGÇÖs empty promises.-á |
Incindir Mauser
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
59
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Posted - 2013.01.30 13:53:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Yeah because everyone wants to play games on a tablet PC...
I can see the excuses now.
Mittens: So just how did you whelp that fleet of captials again?
DBRB: Well... I had Cheeto smegma all over my fingers and it was smearing all over the face of my iPad making it impossible for me to differentiate between "Jump" and "Bridge".... |
unidenify
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:00:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Yeah because everyone wants to play games on a tablet PC...
in my view, EVE online probably is one of those game that can be played on tablet without need to overhaul UI interface (no doubt, there will be huge behind scene change)
EVE online don't require you to have AWSD to move around. since touch screen suppose to replace mouse. In paper theory, EVE online is playable on touchscreen tablet. But will it perform better than keyboard/mouse is other story. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1021
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:07:00 -
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unidenify wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Yeah because everyone wants to play games on a tablet PC... in my view, EVE online probably is one of those game that can be played on tablet without need to overhaul UI interface (no doubt, there will be huge behind scene change) EVE online don't require you to have AWSD to move around. since touch screen suppose to replace mouse. In paper theory, EVE online is playable on touchscreen tablet. But will it perform better than keyboard/mouse is other story.
And they called it: Spreadsheets and Stylus online.
/more likely: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiDHUNiurqY
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
ashley Eoner
163
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:20:00 -
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Ageck Kalenia wrote:The numbers don't lie. The traditional PC is walking dead. It pains me to admit as much as anyone.
I spent $4,000 custom-building my last PC. But my next PC will cost perhaps half that money. It will run Linux, not Windows. And I will likely use it less than either my slate, my gesture-enabled television, or my cellphone. So will you, even if you don't believe me yet. Oh man I've been hearing that PCs are dying since the mid 80s....
Remember back when gaming died in the 80s and had no future?
Oh and I really hope you built that PC yourself or you got hella ripped off. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1726
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:28:00 -
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I've played EVE on my tablet, the touch interface is very much suited to the way you play EVE.
Why you would choose to play EVE on a tiny screen is beyond me though, and large screens aren't good for touch interface. My arms aren't 4 feet long, nor would I want to spend a few hours lifting my arm up and down to touch my monitor.
Tablets are not the "future" of gaming, the future of protable gaming maybe.
A tablet will never replace a large HD screen for home gaming.
If the PC goes anywhere, it's going to end up in your living room.
I play EVE stretched out on a recliner, in front of a 55" HD TV. Why in the world would I trade that for a tablet. I think you tablet freaks are unrealistic. Tablets have a long ways to go before they replace a personal computer, and when they do THEY'RE ARE COMPUTERS YOU NUMBNUTS!
Your laptop is a computer, isn't it?
Tablets aren't going to replace PC's they're replacing laptops. |
Harry Inskipp
Jupiter Roughriders We Suck At This Game
1
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:47:00 -
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Nope. The PC will remain the premiere gaming platform for sophisticated games.
Tablets are way over-hyped by the media.
The reason that Eve is lagging is proper (or any?) regression testing of client patches and updates. A test server with random folks trying out new features is not even in the same ballpark as a structured regression test.
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