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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.01.09 10:32:00 -
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Lost Greybeard wrote: Sovereignty null is significantly safer for pure PvE than high sec
^^^ That is my favourite myth.
Though the guy I'm quoting said it unironically, which makes me sad. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
1577
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Posted - 2013.01.09 10:36:00 -
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"Drone boats"
"Kiting is harder than brawling"
"Hisec is not a starter zone done horribly wrong"
"CCP needs mission runner subs"
"+5s"
Shiva Furnace is recruiting! Small gang PVP in wormholes and lowsec. |
Mehashi 'Kho
Idiot with a gun
46
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Posted - 2013.01.09 12:33:00 -
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X is balanced, you are just jelly coz you don't have an X. Get an X of your own and see how balanced it is!
Sec status is relevant to player type.
OGB is a way for a smaller gang to take on a larger one.
Jovian space will be opened in a future expansion.
WIS will provide ample entertainment return for time invested. |
Rawk Chick
Temporal Mechanics
0
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Posted - 2013.01.09 12:42:00 -
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EVE is a Sandbox... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12576
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Posted - 2013.01.09 12:47:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Physician, heal thyself and practice what you preach. I already posted a link which explained the Myth immediately after you started in on this foolish crusade of yours. No, you posted a link that explained what an RNG is, and it showed that no, it's not a myth.
You first claimed that GÇ£RNG = Random Numeric GeneratorGÇ¥ is a myth. You then provided a link that rather showed that it isn't GÇö that's what an RNG is, and that's what it does. At most, it's a spelling error, but then it's your error, not a myth.
Quote:Oh what tangled webs we weave.........(Unfortunately for you) I never said that. GǪexcept, of course, that you did. Specifically, you revised your statment to Gǣclaiming that it's 'Random' is the MythGǥ, which is not only different from what you said first, but also complete nonsense. The RNG in EVE affects a ridiculous amount of things. You'd have to be a lot more specific than that if you want to call it a myth (and even then, you'll probably be wrong due to how much die-rolling there is around here).
Quote:I already posted proof. Obviously it's too painful for you to read something that contradicts and disproves your statements. Maybe it would be if you posted something that proved me wrong or contradicted me. Instead, you posted something that proved your first claim wrong and had nothing to do with your revised claim.
So, we're back to the same old question: what's the myth? Because no, the RNG is not a myth, nor is its influence on a vast array of things in EVE. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Zyxtyr
Chocobo Knights
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Posted - 2013.01.09 16:23:00 -
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My favourite one is ... thank you for contacting us, but our logs show nothing.... |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2368
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Posted - 2013.01.09 16:29:00 -
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You have to join a corp/alliance to get into nullsec. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
1841
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Posted - 2013.01.09 16:34:00 -
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That role-players and hi-sec carebears, like DeMichael Crimson, are entitled to something whether it is a a safe haven, incarna or that they have the power to ban players that they don't like from EVE. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
ing SpeedyJ
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
0
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:05:00 -
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U can play EvE with joystick. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1129
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Physician, heal thyself and practice what you preach. I already posted a link which explained the Myth immediately after you started in on this foolish crusade of yours. No, you posted a link that explained what an RNG is, and it showed that no, it's not a myth. You first claimed that GÇ£RNG = Random Numeric GeneratorGÇ¥ is a myth. You then provided a link that rather showed that it isn't GÇö that's what an RNG is, and that's what it does. At most, it's a spelling error, but then it's your error, not a myth. Quote:Oh what tangled webs we weave.........(Unfortunately for you) I never said that. GǪexcept, of course, that you did. Specifically, you revised your statment to GÇ£claiming that it's 'Random' is the MythGÇ¥, which is not only different from what you said first, but also complete nonsense. The RNG in EVE affects a ridiculous amount of things. You'd have to be a lot more specific than that if you want to call it a myth (and even then, you'll probably be wrong due to how much die-rolling there is around here). Quote:I already posted proof. Obviously it's too painful for you to read something that contradicts and disproves your statements. Maybe it would be if you posted something that proved me wrong or contradicted me. Instead, you posted something that proved your first claim wrong and had nothing to do with your revised claim. So, we're back to the same old question: what's the myth? Because no, the RNG is not a myth, nor is its influence on a vast array of things in EVE.
Maybe his definition of myth is different or something lol. As I've learned, with some human beings, not amount of proof will suffice.
Such discussions remind me of this skit lol .
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
576
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:50:00 -
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-CCP refuses to balance certain broken mechanics out of fear of backlash from the players who use those mechanics.
-PVP is (necessarily) expensive.
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Marius Deterium
Crush Kill Destroy
0
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Posted - 2013.01.09 19:50:00 -
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Xinivrae wrote: Second part is a forum drama queen myth. Most people in EVE know you can go to Low and Null and not get sploded so long as you just want to go there and not do stuff. Undock a miner or a PvE fit and watch them come out of the wood work.
False.
My corp lives exclusively in low sec. I don't think any of us has ever been blown up when we were not seeking a fight. You must just be terrible at low sec. |
Shamus O'Reilly
Gungnirs' Point I Know Right
50
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Posted - 2013.01.09 22:51:00 -
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Marius Deterium wrote:Xinivrae wrote: Second part is a forum drama queen myth. Most people in EVE know you can go to Low and Null and not get sploded so long as you just want to go there and not do stuff. Undock a miner or a PvE fit and watch them come out of the wood work.
False. My corp lives exclusively in low sec. I don't think any of us has ever been blown up when we were not seeking a fight. You must just be terrible at low sec.
This ^ I've not only took part in lowsec mining ops but also seen many other groups lowsec mining. If you're smart it works well so does mission running |
Velarra
189
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Posted - 2013.01.09 23:09:00 -
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Ambulation. |
Xinivrae
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
256
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Posted - 2013.01.09 23:26:00 -
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Marius Deterium wrote:Xinivrae wrote: Second part is a forum drama queen myth. Most people in EVE know you can go to Low and Null and not get sploded so long as you just want to go there and not do stuff. Undock a miner or a PvE fit and watch them come out of the wood work.
False. My corp lives exclusively in low sec. I don't think any of us has ever been blown up when we were not seeking a fight. You must just be terrible at low sec.
I didn't write that at all. |
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
228
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Posted - 2013.01.09 23:30:00 -
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Xinivrae wrote:Marius Deterium wrote:Xinivrae wrote: Second part is a forum drama queen myth. Most people in EVE know you can go to Low and Null and not get sploded so long as you just want to go there and not do stuff. Undock a miner or a PvE fit and watch them come out of the wood work.
False. My corp lives exclusively in low sec. I don't think any of us has ever been blown up when we were not seeking a fight. You must just be terrible at low sec. I didn't write that at all.
Based on the cookie cutter, troll post hand book response, I wouldn't worry about it. |
Kimimaro Yoga
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
10
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Posted - 2013.01.09 23:45:00 -
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Autopilot is a horrible thing that will get you killed regardless of circumstances.
Or more general, "Activity X is a horribly dangerous thing that will result in your immediate destruction". Already seen a couple of those on this thread, seems to be a common pattern for some reason. |
Glathull
Suicidal Panda Tears of Love and Death
71
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Posted - 2013.01.11 07:56:00 -
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Holy God, the RNG back and forth is making me want to hit a kitten in the throat. With a knife.
DMC, what is your point? Is your point that pseudo-random number generators are not truly random? Is your point that RNG is a myth because, in all likelihood, EvE uses pseudo-random numbers instead of truly random numbers?
If that's your point, you are being a pedant. The difference is entirely philosophical. The Wikipedia link you posted explained that pRNGs generate random sequences sufficient to meet the statistical requirements that randomness is measured by. That is, given a sufficient number of trials, the average of the sample will be the mean of whatever the prescribed probability distribution is, and that the sample will contain a pattern of values that does not appear to be deterministic.
Even the most basic RNG boilerplate code can generate sequences that will not be repeated a single time for a couple hundred million years. You do this by seeding RNG generated seeds to the RNG. Nest until satisfied. I get that this fails on the level of actually being non-deterministic. But it satisfies the actuality of appearing to be non-deterministic as well as the natural (but not formally required) assumption that it shouldn't be predictable. Because it isn't predictable.
If you have a copy of the code used in an RNG, you can't simply say "Okay, code. Give me the result of the 450 billionth trial." It doesn't work like that without actually executing 450 billion trials. Besides, even if you had the exact code CCP uses, you have no way of knowing which trial you are looking at for a given operation. It is functionally non-deterministic even though the function itself is determined. Lookup NP-complete problems.
If your point is that randomness doesn't exist at all, you are making a statement of what amounts to faith. It's the same type of assertion that "God doesn't exist" is. It is a completely philosophical belief that everything is determined already. And it's fine for you to say that randomness is a myth.
But it's most certainly not an EvE myth. It's a statement about what you believe about life, the universe, and everything. It's an assertion about reality, and, as many on this thread have pointed out, EvE isn't actually real. To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion. ~CCP Fozzie |
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