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Rain6639
Team Evil
68
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:09:00 -
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Tahnil wrote:Dust is in CLOSED BETA. Just think about it for a while :-D
ok, but where outside of High Sec do you see bunnies receiving constant/consistent support
and even then, only if orbital strike support doesn't incur aggression.
possible emergent gameplay: piracy centered on orbital strike gankers (it's more predictable than a gatecamp)
possible issue: trust issues between bunnies over inconsistent support.
outside of FW, with the exception of 'open to all high sec pilots,' reliability of orbital strikes only gets worse for the bunnies if you need me, I'll be on youtube watching russian car accident videos |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
405
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:12:00 -
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Rain6639 wrote:Tahnil wrote:Dust is in CLOSED BETA. Just think about it for a while :-D ok, but where outside of High Sec do you see bunnies receiving constant/consistent support and even then, only if orbital strike support doesn't incur aggression. possible emergent gameplay: piracy centered on orbital strike gankers (it's more predictable than a gatecamp) possible issue: trust issues between bunnies over inconsistent support. outside of FW, with the exception of 'open to all high sec pilots,' reliability of orbital strikes only gets worse for the bunnies
Don't OB alone wumbo |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3318
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:13:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:King Rothgar wrote:So we now have the ability to nuke dust bunnies from orbit. I for one was really looking forward to griefing those poor bastards... and then I read the patch notes. It would seem they exist for FW only and they have to request fire. I can't just swoop in with my flashy red ass and start blasting both sides. I feel like I've been trolled by CCP. No, like most folks (including myself) you were hoping for a great new way to wreck carnage upon the universe. Silly wabbitz !!! As I said in another thread, this is just the first iteration. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater... yet. Obvious game play issues aside, did you really think the EvE universe would allow single unaffiliated pilots to blast away at inhabited planets whenever they chose without consequences?
When planetary defenses have been introduced they might relax how you can attack ground forces in some way, but at that point you may not find the propect so appealing. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3318
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:16:00 -
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Rain6639 wrote:Tahnil wrote:Dust is in CLOSED BETA. Just think about it for a while :-D ok, but where outside of High Sec do you see bunnies receiving constant/consistent support and even then, only if orbital strike support doesn't incur aggression. possible emergent gameplay: piracy centered on orbital strike gankers (it's more predictable than a gatecamp) possible issue: trust issues between bunnies over inconsistent support. outside of FW, with the exception of 'open to all high sec pilots,' reliability of orbital strikes only gets worse for the bunnies I think when this expands to Null there will be less random battles and more corp/alliance sponsored battle with their own fleet offering support (and battling for orbital space superiority). To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Rain6639
Team Evil
69
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:16:00 -
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Eli Green wrote:
Don't OB alone
sure, you could do that, but then what's the threshold that would make it profitable to converge on a beacon such as a dust site. (non FW, open combat system/not high sec)
-and- your clone by itself is more expensive than all the assets on the ground lol if you need me, I'll be on youtube watching russian car accident videos |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
351
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:19:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Ioci wrote:"EVE Consequence" I pork bellied 50 billion in assets for the drop box surprise pack and now I am red and flashy for 15 minutes. I didn't know, oh the humanity, make it stop How about you try explaining that in english this time.
How about you learn how to read.
edit for the smiley Crimes in EVE are the responsibility of the victim. Criminals get a slap on the wrist. It's always been that way. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
406
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:21:00 -
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Rain6639 wrote:Eli Green wrote:
Don't OB alone
sure, you could do that, but then what's the threshold that would make it profitable to converge on a beacon such as a dust site. (non FW, open combat system/not high sec) -and- your clone by itself is more expensive than all the assets on the ground lol
Oh right the profit argument. Well some people actually play this GAME to have FUN because they can afford the monthly subscription and don't want their FUN to become a JOB. Sorry if this concept offends you. wumbo |
Rain6639
Team Evil
69
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:23:00 -
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Eli Green wrote:
Oh right the profit argument. Well some people actually play this GAME to have FUN because they can afford the monthly subscription and don't want their FUN to become a JOB. Sorry if this concept offends you.
no, really, straightforward question. what does it take to get you to travel to a known location, and accept the risk of losing your ship and pod. say, destroyer and +3% 's if you need me, I'll be on youtube watching russian car accident videos |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
149
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:24:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Obvious game play issues aside, did you really think the EvE universe would allow single unaffiliated pilots to blast away at inhabited planets whenever they chose without consequences?
I was hoping to invoke the "Snowballs' Chance In Hell" rule.... on the very slim chance that CCP had screwed up some portion of code and left a tiny gap in the mechanics to exploit. Again.
But on the whole, sir, you are quite right.
We must Stay Calm and Carry On... the Dust Bunnies cometh.
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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1239
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:25:00 -
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Quite whining. You're missing the part where we, as EVE pilots, have a limited opportunity that we should all be taking advantage of:
"In the current iteration, DUST mercenaries have no way of returning fire at EVE players in orbit." You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
313
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:26:00 -
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Ioci wrote:Malcanis wrote:King Rothgar wrote:So we now have the ability to nuke dust bunnies from orbit. I for one was really looking forward to griefing those poor bastards... and then I read the patch notes. It would seem they exist for FW only and they have to request fire. I can't just swoop in with my flashy red ass and start blasting both sides. I feel like I've been trolled by CCP. You were honestly expecting to be able to just rock up and destroy their game with no warning or consequences? You mean like in EVE? It's a proven model though..
Yeah, but Eve players aren't console players, who a majority are probably way younger than the average age of Eve players, so they would have a hissy fit and abandon DUST in droves. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
406
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:27:00 -
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Rain6639 wrote:Eli Green wrote:
Oh right the profit argument. Well some people actually play this GAME to have FUN because they can afford the monthly subscription and don't want their FUN to become a JOB. Sorry if this concept offends you.
no, really, straightforward question. what does it take to get you to travel to a known location, and accept the risk of losing your ship and pod. say, destroyer and +3% 's
not much considering I did that this morning when going to check out districts. Just depends on the mindset of the person/people involved wumbo |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
454
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:32:00 -
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Tiberius Murderhorne wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Join FW.
Problem solved.
For the love of Jebas! don't let our other CEO's see that :P they are bitter FW hating vets! Cheers Tib
You can always tell them afterwards "Boss, it's a trap !" |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3322
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:38:00 -
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Ioci wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Ioci wrote:"EVE Consequence" I pork bellied 50 billion in assets for the drop box surprise pack and now I am red and flashy for 15 minutes. I didn't know, oh the humanity, make it stop How about you try explaining that in english this time. How about you learn how to read. edit for the smiley Crimes in EVE are the responsibility of the victim. Criminals get a slap on the wrist. It's always been that way. If the criminal is good at what they do, yes, that is often the case. But there is a long list of ways you can end up screwing up and not making a profit in the end. Your personal skills are what makes those consequences (both the "possible" and the inevitable ones) manageable or avoidable
I had my freighter alt attacked recently with a very juicy cargo on board, but my would be attackers did not take all of the factors present (and certain precautions I had taken) into account. The end result was a fairly significant loss for them, and the cost of minor repairs for me.
Their ship loss was an inevitable consequence, their not making any profit to offset their loss was a possible consequence that they failed to avoid. This was just before the expansion was released, if it had been afterwards they would also have had to deal with the fact that I would have sold my kill rights on them for the attempt, and they would have had to change their method of operation (they had their Talos BC's sitting at the gate from the start)... which means even more potential consequence has been brought into the mix.
I have zero problem with someone being skillful enough to avoid or mitigate the consequences of criminal action, but that doesn't mean those consequences don't exist. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
356
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:39:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Ioci wrote:Malcanis wrote:King Rothgar wrote:So we now have the ability to nuke dust bunnies from orbit. I for one was really looking forward to griefing those poor bastards... and then I read the patch notes. It would seem they exist for FW only and they have to request fire. I can't just swoop in with my flashy red ass and start blasting both sides. I feel like I've been trolled by CCP. You were honestly expecting to be able to just rock up and destroy their game with no warning or consequences? You mean like in EVE? It's a proven model though.. Yeah, but Eve players aren't console players, who a majority are probably way younger than the average age of Eve players, so they would have a hissy fit and abandon DUST in droves.
Kids are smart that way. It's broke, I can't make it work, oh well, go find something else to play. Adults keep beating their head on a wall. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9 Quantum Cafe
200
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:41:00 -
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Hadn't thought about this but he is absolutely correct.
Beta aside - In the spirit of all that is EVE, EVE players should really be able to blast away at any planet, on any side they want without invitation. Consequences pending of course in the appropriate security bands. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3322
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:43:00 -
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Ioci wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:Ioci wrote:Malcanis wrote:King Rothgar wrote:So we now have the ability to nuke dust bunnies from orbit. I for one was really looking forward to griefing those poor bastards... and then I read the patch notes. It would seem they exist for FW only and they have to request fire. I can't just swoop in with my flashy red ass and start blasting both sides. I feel like I've been trolled by CCP. You were honestly expecting to be able to just rock up and destroy their game with no warning or consequences? You mean like in EVE? It's a proven model though.. Yeah, but Eve players aren't console players, who a majority are probably way younger than the average age of Eve players, so they would have a hissy fit and abandon DUST in droves. Kids are smart that way. It's broke, I can't make it work, oh well, go find something else to play. Adults keep beating their head on a wall. So true.
Now that being said, I know an extremely large number of 30+ adults that play consoles on a daily basis. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
356
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:43:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Ioci wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Ioci wrote:"EVE Consequence" I pork bellied 50 billion in assets for the drop box surprise pack and now I am red and flashy for 15 minutes. I didn't know, oh the humanity, make it stop How about you try explaining that in english this time. How about you learn how to read. edit for the smiley Crimes in EVE are the responsibility of the victim. Criminals get a slap on the wrist. It's always been that way. If the criminal is good at what they do, yes, that is often the case. But there is a long list of ways you can end up screwing up and not making a profit in the end. Your personal skills are what makes those consequences (both the "possible" and the inevitable ones) manageable or avoidable I had my freighter alt attacked recently with a very juicy cargo on board, but my would be attackers did not take all of the factors present (and certain precautions I had taken) into account. The end result was a fairly significant loss for them, and the cost of minor repairs for me. Their ship loss was an inevitable consequence, their not making any profit to offset their loss was a possible consequence that they failed to avoid. This was just before the expansion was released, if it had been afterwards they would also have had to deal with the fact that I would have sold my kill rights on them for the attempt, and they would have had to change their method of operation (they had their Talos BC's sitting at the gate from the start)... which means even more potential consequence has been brought into the mix. I have zero problem with someone being skillful enough to avoid or mitigate the consequences of criminal action, but that doesn't mean those consequences don't exist.
There are always solutions, just seldom practical solutions. Similar to mining. 30 minute marathons of 0 interaction and that gets used against you when you go AFK. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Tahnil
Sirius Fleet
12
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:45:00 -
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Rain6639 wrote:Tahnil wrote:Dust is in CLOSED BETA. Just think about it for a while :-D ok, but where outside of High Sec do you see bunnies receiving constant/consistent support and even then, only if orbital strike support doesn't incur aggression. possible emergent gameplay: piracy centered on orbital strike gankers (it's more predictable than a gatecamp) possible issue: trust issues between bunnies over inconsistent support. outside of FW, with the exception of 'open to all high sec pilots,' reliability of orbital strikes only gets worse for the bunnies
Do you realize that there are really strong, well organized player organisations all over Lowsec and Nullsec, that might be able to communicate and coordinate with Dust players?
The only thing that CCP has to get right is that Dust Battles really MATTER on a larger scale. Currently the link is weak (imho). Only some system influence within the faction war system. But Dust is Closed Beta right now, weGÇÿre at the beginning of things.
If Dust Battles really matter, for example because sovereignity in Nullsec heavily depends on them, or if the outcome of Dust Battles governs who is able to mine Moon Materials in some system, then there will be very strong motivations for EVE corporations to coordinate with Dust mercenaries GÇô or to blow nuke them from the face of the planets.
ItGÇÿs an MMO after all. Your comment sounds like youGÇÿre just thinking about some solo pilots interacting with Dust mercenaries. |
Rain6639
Team Evil
69
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:48:00 -
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man, I just don't see myself risking spaceships for the sake of a gunfight. and then they'll troll in local about downing you with ground guns if you need me, I'll be on youtube watching russian car accident videos |
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Tahnil
Sirius Fleet
14
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:49:00 -
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Yeah, maybe thatGÇÿs because you donGÇÿt PvP at all? At least from what I can see on EVE-Kill.net. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
356
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:50:00 -
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My interaction with the Dusties was always along this line of thinking.
I don't know if or when it might ever happen though. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Rain6639
Team Evil
69
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:52:00 -
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Tahnil wrote:Yeah, maybe thatGÇÿs because you donGÇÿt PvP at all? At least from what I can see on EVE-Kill.net.
from what you can see, that is a logical conclusion if you need me, I'll be on youtube watching russian car accident videos |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6917
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:58:00 -
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Rain6639 wrote:man, I just don't see myself risking spaceships for the sake of a gunfight. and then they'll troll in local about downing you with ground guns
Better make sure that your duist bunnies are competent and well-supplied, then eh? MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
332
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Posted - 2013.01.10 16:09:00 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote: Consequences pending of course in the appropriate security bands.
Also return fire from NPC "NippleGuns of Doom." Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3325
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Posted - 2013.01.10 16:09:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Rain6639 wrote:man, I just don't see myself risking spaceships for the sake of a gunfight. and then they'll troll in local about downing you with ground guns Better make sure that your duist bunnies are competent and well-supplied, then eh?
Yeah, although I have a character in DUST I have to admit I'm more interested in the prospect of selling/supplying/employing them with my EvE characters than anything else. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
March rabbit
Aliastra
474
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Posted - 2013.01.10 16:10:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Ioci wrote:"EVE Consequence" I pork bellied 50 billion in assets for the drop box surprise pack and now I am red and flashy for 15 minutes. I didn't know, oh the humanity, make it stop How about you try explaining that in english this time. english is not first language for me. Maybe it makes me understand it better that 'natives'?
translation: CONSEQUENCES for suicide ganking INDEPENDENT of damage inflicted is: - losing your ship (in most cases dirt cheap), - criminal flag (15 minutes of sitting in nearest station which provides you safe instadock) - SS loss (which is easily returned by shooting NPCs. Don't forget about CONCORD bounties for doing it)
She/he wanted to say these are REAL CONSEQUENCES!!!
PS: obviously you can say you need translation from this post too. But i guess saying this you will look really stupid |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3325
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Posted - 2013.01.10 16:14:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Ioci wrote:"EVE Consequence" I pork bellied 50 billion in assets for the drop box surprise pack and now I am red and flashy for 15 minutes. I didn't know, oh the humanity, make it stop How about you try explaining that in english this time. english is not first language for me. Maybe it makes me understand it better that 'natives'? translation: CONSEQUENCES for suicide ganking INDEPENDENT of damage inflicted is: - losing your ship (in most cases dirt cheap), - criminal flag (15 minutes of sitting in nearest station which provides you safe instadock) - SS loss (which is easily returned by shooting NPCs. Don't forget about CONCORD bounties for doing it) She/he wanted to say these are REAL CONSEQUENCES!!! PS: obviously you can say you need translation from this post too. But i guess saying this you will look really stupid We covered this, read on.
I will point out that the most important point (losing your ship) in most cases is far from "dirt cheap" anymore, and you've overlooked a consequence or two. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
696
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Posted - 2013.01.10 17:00:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:So far they're only for FW. DUST is still in closed beta, bro. while I do agree with you, eve is also in beta, and it has been for nearly 10 years already?
I kid, but yeah, it's closed beta and so don't expect **** to to go down that fast for the time being. that's why ammo is still on the S size. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4246
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Posted - 2013.01.10 17:01:00 -
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Dust Bunnies are going "Egger Tears So delicious."
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