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Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
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Posted - 2011.10.09 04:19:00 -
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Ok...I know this has been brought up before. It needs to be brought up again.
This especially applies to WH space but is relevant to anybody who scans in EvE.
Once a site is created its signature ID should not change after downtime. It is rather irritating to have to scan down the same sites after downtime again and again. It is really that simple. I am not sure why this hasn't been done already. I can't imagine it is that hard for the server to remember the name of a signature ID of a site or object in space.
This is just one of those little things (thousand papercuts) that should be changed. |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
973
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Posted - 2011.10.09 10:41:00 -
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This is on my personal list of annoying things (the "thousand asspains") and I've reminded some people about it. CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism! CSM 6 Activities Summary | My CSM blog |
Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
62
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:45:00 -
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If it is part of the "thousand papercuts" list then that will make me happy. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:10:00 -
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I support this as well. The only thing I could see affecting a signature is if the site was cleared out completely (including looted and salvaged) and thus would create reason for a new site to spawn elsewhere. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
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Posted - 2011.10.09 23:29:00 -
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Shameless bump for much needed change.
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Sepheir Sepheron
FL4SH GITZ
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Posted - 2011.10.10 07:31:00 -
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Well it's wormhole (lost) space and it's impossible to go through a wormhole and guess what system you're in just because the sun(s) are in a similar position. |
Lucius Arcturus
Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
3
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Posted - 2011.10.11 02:57:00 -
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+1. Especially annoying for WH pilots and explorers in general because the IDs also change whenever the server derps, which can be frustratingly common after an expansion/patch. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
64
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Posted - 2011.10.11 15:32:00 -
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I guess what I don't understand is if EvE can remember a ship name and its last location when it logged out then why can't it do the same for a site?
Unless CCP is deliberately making the sites change ID's so that we HAVE to rescan them down every day even though they don't change locations or anything. If this is the case then it is just annoying...it does not contribute anything to the gameplay except maybe some scanning practice for new pilots. Other than that its just an irritating nuisance. Please change/fix it CCP. |
Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
65
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Posted - 2011.10.12 01:18:00 -
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Lucius Arcturus wrote:+1. Especially annoying for WH pilots and explorers in general because the IDs also change whenever the server derps, which can be frustratingly common after an expansion/patch. i used to take screenshot of ID after DT when i was able to be online at this time, but a little server crash and you did that for nothing...
the probes change made basic scanning (checking type, not going to 100%) even more long, so at least give us this little thing...
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
112
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Posted - 2011.10.12 01:32:00 -
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+1
They stay in the same places, the wormholes connect to the same systems and retain their mass limits, yet the IDs get shuffled?
This definitely needs to be fixed soon. Good to see a CSM backing it. |
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Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
66
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Posted - 2011.10.12 13:10:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:+1
They stay in the same places, the wormholes connect to the same systems and retain their mass limits, yet the IDs get shuffled?
This definitely needs to be fixed soon. Good to see a CSM backing it.
This is a perfect point to why the current system does not make sense. I don't suppose we have any chance of input from a Dev as to why it is this way? Difficult code or intentional...would be nice to know and see CCP's stance on the matter. |
Tyrhineld Malukker
Krannon of Sherwood Carthage Empires
3
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Posted - 2011.10.12 14:47:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:+1
They stay in the same places, the wormholes connect to the same systems and retain their mass limits, yet the IDs get shuffled?
This definitely needs to be fixed soon. Good to see a CSM backing it. This is a perfect point to why the current system does not make sense. I don't suppose we have any chance of input from a Dev as to why it is this way? Difficult code or intentional...would be nice to know and see CCP's stance on the matter.
Considering we're in the CSM assembly hall i really doubt a CCP dev will comment on this thread. That said I haven't had experience with the phenomena listed above but it seems like a slight quality of life change for WH explorers. Supported.
+1 |
steave435
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
11
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Posted - 2011.10.12 15:01:00 -
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Sepheir Sepheron wrote:Well it's wormhole (lost) space and it's impossible to go through a wormhole and guess what system you're in just because the sun(s) are in a similar position. So if you scan down a site before DT and stay in system, you suddenly have no idea you're still in the same system after DT? And it's impossible to identify a system when suns, planets and moons all match up to what they used to be? |
CaleAdaire
Research Industry Mining and Support The Irukandji
0
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Posted - 2011.10.12 21:31:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Ok...I know this has been brought up before. It needs to be brought up again.
This especially applies to WH space but is relevant to anybody who scans in EvE.
Once a site is created its signature ID should not change after downtime. It is rather irritating to have to scan down the same sites after downtime again and again. It is really that simple. I am not sure why this hasn't been done already. I can't imagine it is that hard for the server to remember the name of a signature ID of a site or object in space.
This is just one of those little things (thousand papercuts) that should be changed.
WHAT?!?!
Have you ever even been in a wormhole? Really, let's let the common sense monster out of its cage on this one (Since you seem to be scared of it). When you scan something down in a wormhole, you bookmark it. Then you open up "People and Places" and while holding shift, click and drag to your cargo hold. Then take that item and put it in the corporate hangar where anyone can get it. Best part, name your exit WH "EXIT" or "C3 -> C2". Then, rinse, repeat as necessary.
-1 |
CaleAdaire
Research Industry Mining and Support The Irukandji
0
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Posted - 2011.10.12 21:34:00 -
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steave435 wrote:Sepheir Sepheron wrote:Well it's wormhole (lost) space and it's impossible to go through a wormhole and guess what system you're in just because the sun(s) are in a similar position. So if you scan down a site before DT and stay in system, you suddenly have no idea you're still in the same system after DT? And it's impossible to identify a system when suns, planets and moons all match up to what they used to be?
The J Tag, which identifies the wormhole, stays the same. So this has no bearing whatsoever. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
66
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Posted - 2011.10.12 21:38:00 -
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CaleAdaire wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Ok...I know this has been brought up before. It needs to be brought up again.
This especially applies to WH space but is relevant to anybody who scans in EvE.
Once a site is created its signature ID should not change after downtime. It is rather irritating to have to scan down the same sites after downtime again and again. It is really that simple. I am not sure why this hasn't been done already. I can't imagine it is that hard for the server to remember the name of a signature ID of a site or object in space.
This is just one of those little things (thousand papercuts) that should be changed. WHAT?!?! Have you ever even been in a wormhole? Really, let's let the common sense monster out of its cage on this one (Since you seem to be scared of it). When you scan something down in a wormhole, you bookmark it. Then you open up "People and Places" and while holding shift, click and drag to your cargo hold. Then take that item and put it in the corporate hangar where anyone can get it. Best part, name your exit WH "EXIT" or "C3 -> C2". Then, rinse, repeat as necessary. -1
Wow...you fell off the boat there bud. This isn't just regarding WH's themselves...this goes for annoms and sigs in general. Read this thread again...think about it a bit and try again. You aren't even on the same page here... Draculina Alucardi...3rd account canceled, no reason to hold an account for a SC pilot, if you can only use it in PVP ... thanks CCP :) |
CaleAdaire
Research Industry Mining and Support The Irukandji
0
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Posted - 2011.10.12 21:48:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:CaleAdaire wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Ok...I know this has been brought up before. It needs to be brought up again.
This especially applies to WH space but is relevant to anybody who scans in EvE.
Once a site is created its signature ID should not change after downtime. It is rather irritating to have to scan down the same sites after downtime again and again. It is really that simple. I am not sure why this hasn't been done already. I can't imagine it is that hard for the server to remember the name of a signature ID of a site or object in space.
This is just one of those little things (thousand papercuts) that should be changed. WHAT?!?! Have you ever even been in a wormhole? Really, let's let the common sense monster out of its cage on this one (Since you seem to be scared of it). When you scan something down in a wormhole, you bookmark it. Then you open up "People and Places" and while holding shift, click and drag to your cargo hold. Then take that item and put it in the corporate hangar where anyone can get it. Best part, name your exit WH "EXIT" or "C3 -> C2". Then, rinse, repeat as necessary. -1 Wow...you fell off the boat there bud. This isn't just regarding WH's themselves...this goes for annoms and sigs in general. Read this thread again...think about it a bit and try again. You aren't even on the same page here...
And you missed my point genius... Bookmark your sigs and you won't have to rescan them!! Here's a floatie, the boat left before you showed up. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
66
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Posted - 2011.10.12 22:30:00 -
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CaleAdaire wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:CaleAdaire wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Ok...I know this has been brought up before. It needs to be brought up again.
This especially applies to WH space but is relevant to anybody who scans in EvE.
Once a site is created its signature ID should not change after downtime. It is rather irritating to have to scan down the same sites after downtime again and again. It is really that simple. I am not sure why this hasn't been done already. I can't imagine it is that hard for the server to remember the name of a signature ID of a site or object in space.
This is just one of those little things (thousand papercuts) that should be changed. WHAT?!?! Have you ever even been in a wormhole? Really, let's let the common sense monster out of its cage on this one (Since you seem to be scared of it). When you scan something down in a wormhole, you bookmark it. Then you open up "People and Places" and while holding shift, click and drag to your cargo hold. Then take that item and put it in the corporate hangar where anyone can get it. Best part, name your exit WH "EXIT" or "C3 -> C2". Then, rinse, repeat as necessary. -1 Wow...you fell off the boat there bud. This isn't just regarding WH's themselves...this goes for annoms and sigs in general. Read this thread again...think about it a bit and try again. You aren't even on the same page here... And you missed my point genius... Bookmark your sigs and you won't have to rescan them!! Here's a floatie, the boat left before you showed up.
Your point is irrelevant since you have completely missed the point to this thread to begin with. Everybody as well as myself are aware that you can bookmark sites and WH's. The point is having to rescan them to update your list of sites and WH's when they do change. New ones pop up...WH's collapse and respawn. This gets ever more complicated when you have a chain of WH's you might use for one purpose or another and you go through downtime.
Seems to me that the "common sense monster" ate your brain before you "released" it. Draculina Alucardi...3rd account canceled, no reason to hold an account for a SC pilot, if you can only use it in PVP ... thanks CCP :) |
Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
69
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Posted - 2011.10.13 13:46:00 -
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I said...Shameless BUMP!
Stupid new forums...always hungry and eating my posts! Draculina Alucardi...3rd account canceled, no reason to hold an account for a SC pilot, if you can only use it in PVP ... thanks CCP :)-á Support the cause! Linky |
MNagy
Yo-Mama Quixotic Hegemony
14
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Posted - 2011.10.13 17:33:00 -
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It's an annoyance that the ID's change after downtime.
And really there is no reason for it as the site itself retains everything about it. Example: Today you scan a grav and mine the ark Tomorrow when you warp to it, the ark is still gone and the bistot remains....
100% agree - the sigID should not change. |
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Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation
18
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Posted - 2011.10.13 18:14:00 -
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CaleAdaire wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:CaleAdaire wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Ok...I know this has been brought up before. It needs to be brought up again.
This especially applies to WH space but is relevant to anybody who scans in EvE.
Once a site is created its signature ID should not change after downtime. It is rather irritating to have to scan down the same sites after downtime again and again. It is really that simple. I am not sure why this hasn't been done already. I can't imagine it is that hard for the server to remember the name of a signature ID of a site or object in space.
This is just one of those little things (thousand papercuts) that should be changed. WHAT?!?! Have you ever even been in a wormhole? Really, let's let the common sense monster out of its cage on this one (Since you seem to be scared of it). When you scan something down in a wormhole, you bookmark it. Then you open up "People and Places" and while holding shift, click and drag to your cargo hold. Then take that item and put it in the corporate hangar where anyone can get it. Best part, name your exit WH "EXIT" or "C3 -> C2". Then, rinse, repeat as necessary. -1 Wow...you fell off the boat there bud. This isn't just regarding WH's themselves...this goes for annoms and sigs in general. Read this thread again...think about it a bit and try again. You aren't even on the same page here... And you missed my point genius... Bookmark your sigs and you won't have to rescan them!! Here's a floatie, the boat left before you showed up.
You forgot something mr. genius.
Signatures of sites change regardless of whether you bookmarked them or not.
And you have to filter out the ones that are already bookmarked from the ones that arent when scanning for new ones amogst the old ones.
So this is still a bit of a annoyance...in other words..your both right...and your both wrong.
In short...a simple solution is to keep sites that have not changed to stick with the original signature until they expire. Simple. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
36
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Posted - 2011.10.13 18:21:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:CaleAdaire wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:CaleAdaire wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Ok...I know this has been brought up before. It needs to be brought up again.
This especially applies to WH space but is relevant to anybody who scans in EvE.
Once a site is created its signature ID should not change after downtime. It is rather irritating to have to scan down the same sites after downtime again and again. It is really that simple. I am not sure why this hasn't been done already. I can't imagine it is that hard for the server to remember the name of a signature ID of a site or object in space.
This is just one of those little things (thousand papercuts) that should be changed. WHAT?!?! Have you ever even been in a wormhole? Really, let's let the common sense monster out of its cage on this one (Since you seem to be scared of it). When you scan something down in a wormhole, you bookmark it. Then you open up "People and Places" and while holding shift, click and drag to your cargo hold. Then take that item and put it in the corporate hangar where anyone can get it. Best part, name your exit WH "EXIT" or "C3 -> C2". Then, rinse, repeat as necessary. -1 Wow...you fell off the boat there bud. This isn't just regarding WH's themselves...this goes for annoms and sigs in general. Read this thread again...think about it a bit and try again. You aren't even on the same page here... And you missed my point genius... Bookmark your sigs and you won't have to rescan them!! Here's a floatie, the boat left before you showed up. You forgot something mr. genius. Signatures of sites change regardless of whether you bookmarked them or not. And you have to filter out the ones that are already bookmarked from the ones that arent when scanning for new ones amogst the old ones. So this is still a bit of a annoyance...in other words..your both right...and your both wrong. In short...a simple solution is to keep sites that have not changed to stick with the original signature until they expire. Simple.
Drake, your point is irrelevant as you don't leave high-sec. "I saw it on YouTube" doesn't cut it. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
71
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Posted - 2011.10.13 18:41:00 -
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Pretty sure sigs and annoms appear in High Sec. I see plenty of people scanning in High Sec all the time for all sorts of stuff so this issue effects them too. Draculina Alucardi...3rd account canceled, no reason to hold an account for a SC pilot, if you can only use it in PVP ... thanks CCP :)-á Support the cause! Linky |
Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation
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Posted - 2011.10.13 18:57:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote: Drake, your point is irrelevant as you don't leave high-sec. "I saw it on YouTube" doesn't cut it.
Jack.... trolling is inappropraite.
And my point is valid in any security system.
Don't believe me? Look it up your self and try it.
Im sure any WHS guru will also vouch for this as well. |
Angry Onions
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
38
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Posted - 2011.10.13 23:14:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:And my point is valid in any security system.
Don't believe me? Look it up your self and try it.
Im sure any WHS guru will also vouch for this as well.
Trolling quote removed. Zymurgist
Ok, its official now, CCP says you can't troll worth a damn.
But i say leave the scanning the wat it is, its not broken, just a pain in the ass. E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your Carebear tears fuel us |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
38
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Posted - 2011.10.14 00:53:00 -
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Scanning is not broken.
There are plenty of other broken features to worry about (FW for one) to try to fix something that isn't broken, which would only lead to it inevitably being broken. Don't like scanning? Just don't do it. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
38
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Posted - 2011.10.14 00:57:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:And my point is valid in any security system.
Don't believe me? Look it up your self and try it.
Im sure any WHS guru will also vouch for this as well.
Trolling quote removed. Zymurgist
One: You never leave high sec, so have no right to speak of things outside of said security space
Two: You fail as a troll, and thus garnered CCP's attention
Three: Biomass your toon and reroll into something that isn't made of fail old 0:7
Four: GTFO "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
zoonr
Korsairs
0
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Posted - 2011.10.14 01:13:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote: In short...a simple solution is to keep sites that have not changed to stick with the original signature until they expire. Simple.
+1 |
Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
71
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Posted - 2011.10.14 02:20:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:Scanning is not broken.
There are plenty of other broken features to worry about (FW for one) to try to fix something that isn't broken, which would only lead to it inevitably being broken. Don't like scanning? Just don't do it. Nobody said scanning is broken.
It's a pain in the ass mechanic that ID's of sigs and anomalies change for no reason at all other than the game server reset.
I don't understand why people have to hold such a torch against making such a simple easy change that would better the lives of anybody that uses scanning. Would you ragequit from EvE if this change was made or something? Draculina Alucardi...3rd account canceled, no reason to hold an account for a SC pilot, if you can only use it in PVP ... thanks CCP :)-á Support the cause! Linky |
Angry Onions
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.14 02:38:00 -
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Its not that easy is bad, its that there is so much more things we need fixed, and honestly scanning stuff should be a pain in the ass, its a challenge that reaps good rewards. One of the few ways this game promotes "hard work". so leave it be E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your Carebear tears fuel us |
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