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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3207
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Posted - 2013.01.13 03:22:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:BEPOHNKA wrote:Here are some changes we could look at to see something new?
Carriers?Perfect as can be in space! not much to say about change?
2) Face it no one likes to be stock in one spot, look at removing the 5 mins stock. (no cloaking or jumping)
Bro, do you even chef? You can't make a stock in 5 minutes. Cooking a basic vegetable stock takes half an hour, Chicken about an hour, and a good beef stock can take up to 12 hours, depending on the thickness of bones, and amount of the flavour you are looking to draw out. Also, this thread is so many types of terrible. Almost every single idea submitted: NO. Beef stock mmm Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2370
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Posted - 2013.01.13 05:08:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Beef stock mmm
Keep reducing it, clarify it, and you get aspic.
I will eat just about anything that's embedded in an aspic.
Mmmm, meat Jello. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
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iskflakes
270
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Posted - 2013.01.13 05:21:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:As somebody who's fairly well versed in all things capital (except the effects of tengu boosters on triage carriers) I think your ideas are extremely short sighted and bad.
Basically you don't "get" caps at all.
Grath Telkin wrote: I'm amazed at how much of that you actually made up.
Grath Telkin wrote:Anyway if the little fella above me (iskflakes)wants to get in a "Who's Right About What" war i can actually factually destroy him with real live information from pretty much the largest capital/supercapital/titan single alliance force in game. Such an aggressive response. If you think I'm factually mistaken, please point out where. Most of my post is opinion. It is my opinion that the supercap nerfs were a bad thing, and that the concentration of supercaps in a single group is a bad thing. If you believe that the supercap nerfs were well planned, properly presented to the community for feedback and effective, then that is your opinion.
Grath Telkin wrote:My best advice would be to simply delete that post since its so full of crap you made up that its ridiculous. Why..? Are you worried CCP might read it and get some ideas?
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6333
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Posted - 2013.01.13 05:58:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:Such an aggressive response. If you think I'm factually mistaken, please point out where. Most of my post is opinion. It is my opinion that the supercap nerfs were a bad thing, and that the concentration of supercaps in a single group is a bad thing. If you believe that the supercap nerfs were well planned, properly presented to the community for feedback and effective, then that is your opinion.
Considering that both nerfs were announced publicly before implementation, just like virtually every change of consequence made to the game, they were properly presented for feedback. For example, they didn't end up implementing that ridiculous reduction in scan res on titans. The nerfs served to scale back the Dominion changes, which were a net buff to both supers and titans.
iskflakes wrote:Why..? Are you worried CCP might read it and get some ideas?
You think they'd listen to overly emotional arguments for what basically constitutes an "I win" button? ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1230
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Posted - 2013.01.13 07:01:00 -
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iskflakes wrote: It is my opinion that the supercap nerfs were a bad thing, and that the concentration of supercaps in a single group is a bad thing. If you believe that the supercap nerfs were well planned, properly presented to the community for feedback and effective, then that is your opinion.
You know this isn't how that works right?
Like what you're presenting is an opinion. You have no idea if its true at all or not, its based on ill formed theories about things that aren't actually a problem as easily sighted by anybody who happens to know anything about caps. What you want is the chance to be the biggest fish in your particular pond and fortunately thats not really anywhere close to a theme in EVE. Theres always a bigger fish.
What I'm telling you is based on fact. Were they properly presented to the community for feedback? Yes, for month and more before the changes were put in there was testing and Dev feedback. Thats pretty good.
Were they effective? Yes, you now need a support fleet and capital support to properly engage with supers, titans can't completely shatter any sized fleet in game and generally if you leave it hanging out its really easy to get your super capital ego chopped off.
Were they well planned? Yea considering all the other evidence and their stated desired plan of making supers less own then I'd say that they were in fact a well planned set of changes that achieve all of their desired goals.
Those aren't opinions about things that may or may not happen, thats all based on the facts of things that did in fact happen.
You know...
reality.
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1230
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Posted - 2013.01.13 07:04:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:Why..? Are you worried CCP might read it and get some ideas?
IDK do you think they'll be more apt to listen to the guy flailing his arms around screaming that Titans and Supers got nerfed too hard or do you think they'll listen to the guy in the alliance with the massive supercap fleet that says they're probably fine right where they are, and that capital combat is as balanced as its been in a long time??
I'm willing to bet neither, but then again sometimes running around screaming with your arms in the air has the desired effect so feel free to continue
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3207
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Posted - 2013.01.13 07:40:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:iskflakes wrote:Why..? Are you worried CCP might read it and get some ideas?
IDK do you think they'll be more apt to listen to the guy flailing his arms around screaming that Titans and Supers got nerfed too hard or do you think they'll listen to the guy in the alliance with the massive supercap fleet that says they're probably fine right where they are, and that capital combat is as balanced as its been in a long time?? I'm willing to bet neither, but then again sometimes running around screaming with your arms in the air has the desired effect so feel free to continue I think I love you. Please never stop. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
BEPOHNKA
Legions Force
13
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Posted - 2013.01.13 10:16:00 -
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Thanks for all your help so far with feedback. change some stuff around.
added "WHY NOT" part...... down size from 3 to just 2 for now ideas.. for now. |
BEPOHNKA
Legions Force
13
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Posted - 2013.01.15 16:52:00 -
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At this point in the game not sure how many of you feel about some new ideas to be build on the supers-titans...
Some feedback to removed the ewar type idea of area of effect. but it seem to work, great on supers the EWAR why not titans? |
Hedion's oracle
Shark Enterprises
43
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Posted - 2013.01.15 18:53:00 -
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Now posting in steath " Nullsec suppose to conflict free thread" just gets better and better. Error: Working As intended |
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RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2392
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Posted - 2013.01.15 21:56:00 -
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BEPOHNKA wrote:At this point in the game not sure how many of you feel about some new ideas to be build on the supers-titans... Some feedback to removed the ewar type idea of area of effect. but it seem to work, great on supers the EWAR why not titans?
Because Titans have Doomsdays.
Supers and Titans are different ships with differing abilities, strengths, and weaknesses.
Titans and Supers are reasonably OK as they are now. They probably should never have been introduced in the first place, but that ship's long since sailed. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
3309
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Posted - 2013.01.15 22:01:00 -
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I don't think titans and supers are ok.
They need to actually have reason to be deployed in a combat situation against other ships where they have a reasonable (even if still small) probability of being destroyed.
As it is now there's no reason to put a super or titan in any risk anywhere. The only supercaps that are destroyed are due to pilot error. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2393
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Posted - 2013.01.15 22:21:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't think titans and supers are ok.
They need to actually have reason to be deployed in a combat situation against other ships where they have a reasonable (even if still small) probability of being destroyed.
As it is now there's no reason to put a super or titan in any risk anywhere. The only supercaps that are destroyed are due to pilot error.
Fair enough. I should have said that I think they're around the right power level.
You're right that their role should be improved. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
Guess Who's Back. -á Back Again. |
iskflakes
276
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Posted - 2013.01.15 22:42:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't think titans and supers are ok.
They need to actually have reason to be deployed in a combat situation against other ships where they have a reasonable (even if still small) probability of being destroyed.
As it is now there's no reason to put a super or titan in any risk anywhere. The only supercaps that are destroyed are due to pilot error.
I agree with this. Supers/titans are seriously lacking a fleet role right now though (killing structures is not a suitable role).
One of the reason they are never deployed is because it's incredibly risky to do so with no reward. A proper risk/reward balance would require that the larger the risk you take the bigger the potential gain. Right now supers are all risk and no gain (just use a dread). I want to see supers get used, because that means supers are going to die. - |
Irya Boone
Escadron leader
154
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Posted - 2013.01.16 01:09:00 -
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Only change to make here is about the moros
Moros = gallente ship = drones so make the Moros unleash 10 or more Sentry with a lot of bonus optimal range /or tracking etc etc Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3217
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Posted - 2013.01.16 02:02:00 -
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Irya Boone wrote:Only change to make here is about the moros
Moros = gallente ship = drones so make the Moros unleash 10 or more Sentry with a lot of bonus optimal range /or tracking etc etc Odd, it used to be better at drones, and was extremely overpowered so they removed the drones. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
32
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Posted - 2013.01.18 09:33:00 -
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How about this, I will actualy post a suggestion. Currently we have slowcats? or w/e they are called Sentry carriers remte repping eachother whilst shitting out damage im assuming. How about the possibility of giving supercarriers/titans back some drone capabilities without making them completely unbalanced as they were before. An example would being giving supers a way to combat those smaller ships such as interdictors in the form of only being able to deploy 7 Warrior 2's for supers or 5 for titans.
I realise this may not recive the best replies. But its a suggestion and open to points that constructivly critisise the idea, or expand on it. xD
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6395
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Posted - 2013.01.18 09:49:00 -
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Princess Saskia wrote:How about this, I will actualy post a suggestion. Currently we have slowcats? or w/e they are called Sentry carriers remte repping eachother whilst shitting out damage im assuming. How about the possibility of giving supercarriers/titans back some drone capabilities without making them completely unbalanced as they were before. An example would being giving supers a way to combat those smaller ships such as interdictors in the form of only being able to deploy 7 Warrior 2's for supers or 5 for titans.
I bolded the part that makes this a horrible idea.
For one, supercarriers are not and should not be solopwnmobiles. They have plenty of ways to defend themselves - use neuts, smartbombs and tackle.
I've personally killed dictors with fighters by using neuts, target painters and tackle. As it is, supercarriers are high-EHP ewar bricks. ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
33
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Posted - 2013.01.18 09:54:00 -
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I agree they shouldn't be solo pwnmobiles. But having them able to be deployed in smaller groups would make alittle more sence as then people may possibly be more willing to use them? |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
254
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Posted - 2013.01.18 10:26:00 -
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Princess Saskia wrote:I agree they shouldn't be solo pwnmobiles. But having them able to be deployed in smaller groups would make alittle more sence as then people may possibly be more willing to use them?
Nah. I don't think so. Let's just remove supers from the game. Or listen to Grath and the Goon super-guys because they actually know what they're talking about.
I mean, feel free to try and take a couple of Avatars out for a stroll or something, I look forward to the killmail. |
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Gillia Winddancer
Shiny Noble Crown Services
278
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Posted - 2013.01.18 10:37:00 -
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Again, there is a reason why I would never, ever touch EVE capital ships if I had to choose from such class of ships from any given modern sci-fi setting.
Their complete lack of ability to defend themselves and thus being a complete risk-free entity versus a group of small ships (unless they have drones - which at best is a very minor threat).
Any other capital ship in any other setting is usually capable of taking down a bunch of suckers with it before going down itself and as such aren't completely useless lumps of metal outside of their main purpose.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6399
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Posted - 2013.01.18 12:02:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:Again, there is a reason why I would never, ever touch EVE capital ships if I had to choose from such class of ships from any given modern sci-fi setting.
Their complete lack of ability to defend themselves and thus being a complete risk-free entity versus a group of small ships (unless they have drones - which at best is a very minor threat).
Any other capital ship in any other setting is usually capable of taking down a bunch of suckers with it before going down itself and as such aren't completely useless lumps of metal outside of their main purpose.
So you obviously don't know caps if you think that a group of small ships poses a threat to them (unless it's a moron in a solo capital, but that's different)
Even 3 carriers can be all but untouchable to anything that isn't a group of neuting battleships ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Gillia Winddancer
Shiny Noble Crown Services
278
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Posted - 2013.01.18 12:03:00 -
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Andski wrote:Gillia Winddancer wrote:Again, there is a reason why I would never, ever touch EVE capital ships if I had to choose from such class of ships from any given modern sci-fi setting.
Their complete lack of ability to defend themselves and thus being a complete risk-free entity versus a group of small ships (unless they have drones - which at best is a very minor threat).
Any other capital ship in any other setting is usually capable of taking down a bunch of suckers with it before going down itself and as such aren't completely useless lumps of metal outside of their main purpose.
So you obviously don't know caps if you think that a group of small ships poses a threat to them (unless it's a moron in a solo capital, but that's different) Even 3 carriers can be all but untouchable to anything that isn't a group of neuting battleships
Really? Please do tell me more of all the solo roaming capital ships out there. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6400
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Posted - 2013.01.18 12:30:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:Really? Please do tell me more of all the solo roaming capital ships out there.
heh maybe people don't roam in solo caps because they're a) horrible for that and b) they are not meant to be good at that
what a thought ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
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