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Lev Arturis
Dark-Rising
11
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Posted - 2013.01.13 23:40:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Commander Razama wrote:I have fought and waited for years for the chance to get our medal since the caldari fought and won the first war. The caldari fought long and hard and CCP recognized this effort. Its only fair after years of fighting that now that we have won that CCP recognize our effort.
Its not like this happens to often. it is good that CCP devs finally found way to fix FW on way that gallente can win when others already quit.
Than finaly do us the favour and quit too. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
361
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Posted - 2013.01.14 00:41:00 -
[62] - Quote
Lev Arturis wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Commander Razama wrote:I have fought and waited for years for the chance to get our medal since the caldari fought and won the first war. The caldari fought long and hard and CCP recognized this effort. Its only fair after years of fighting that now that we have won that CCP recognize our effort.
Its not like this happens to often. it is good that CCP devs finally found way to fix FW on way that gallente can win when others already quit. Than finaly do us the favour and quit too.
i did quit FW, but luckily EVE has lot of more to offer. |
RavenTesio
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
76
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Posted - 2013.01.14 01:26:00 -
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Given Caldari were given a Medal for every 24hr period that the Warzone was held, it would make sense given technically speaking the Gallente did hold all the systems for a single Downtime-to-Downtime period... they should be awarded a single medal.
In all honesty, most of us knew Mid-December that this was going to be the eventual outcome as well. There was a certain domino effect within Caldari, along with the unsually well Coordinated efforts with the Gallente (+Allies) that really brought us to this point.
What has been far more in the air has been how long we have been able to hold out. I can honestly say that many of the Caldari pilots did their absolute best, at a significant disadvantage to bitterly hold on to our last few systems.
And I don't say Significant Disadvantage because of Mechanics or anything like that, which I think both sides can agree still are not ideal as they still focus too much on earning ISK (LP) over PvP ... but more that it has been an incredible amount of work, for those of us who remained in Caldari Militia to try to hold together what was left while putting up serious resistance in the attempt to deny the Gallente the complete warzone victory they achieved.
Sure we did not accomplish our goal and that sucks giant hairy loveberries, still this past month has put life back in to Faction Warfare (Gallente-Caldari) that hasn't been there for a very long time.
Most importantly this whole Campaign, has given us the oppurtunity to become stronger and more solidified as a whole. In my opinion this has all been the kick in the pants that Caldari Militia has been in need of.
Now if CCP can only sort out the Faction Warfare mechanics without all this pesky ISK / LP Focus and actually provide us with some real Sovereignty bonus' to capturing and holding systems with LP (and I mean useful amounts of LP!!) from Kills basically pushing all of these damn Alt Farmers back to Incursions / Null-Sec then we can get back to the job at hand of killing each other over valueable real-est that grows in value the longer you hold it.
This past month honestly has probably been the best test of the new Faction Warfare mechanics, there are many of the changes that Retribution brought that honestly have been nothing but good; and some that still needs some work. |
ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.01.14 17:33:00 -
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RavenTesio wrote:Given Caldari were given a Medal for every 24hr period that the Warzone was held, it would make sense given technically speaking the Gallente did hold all the systems for a single Downtime-to-Downtime period... they should be awarded a single medal..
Did Gallente hold the systems for 24 hours? Or did gallente lose a system within 24 hours?
Does it not count as lost until downtime, or does it count as lost as soon as its "lost" due to the bunker bust? |
Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
466
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Posted - 2013.01.14 18:21:00 -
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ground ctrl wrote:RavenTesio wrote:Given Caldari were given a Medal for every 24hr period that the Warzone was held, it would make sense given technically speaking the Gallente did hold all the systems for a single Downtime-to-Downtime period... they should be awarded a single medal.. Did Gallente hold the systems for 24 hours? Or did gallente lose a system within 24 hours? Does it not count as lost until downtime, or does it count as lost as soon as its "lost" due to the bunker bust?
We had all systems for more than 24 hours regardless of which measure you use. |
Mehashi 'Kho
Idiot with a gun
52
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Posted - 2013.01.14 18:41:00 -
[66] - Quote
RavenTesio wrote:Given Caldari were given a Medal for every 24hr period that the Warzone was held, it would make sense given technically speaking the Gallente did hold all the systems for a single Downtime-to-Downtime period... they should be awarded a single medal.
In all honesty, most of us knew Mid-December that this was going to be the eventual outcome as well. There was a certain domino effect within Caldari, along with the unsually well Coordinated efforts with the Gallente (+Allies) that really brought us to this point.
What has been far more in the air has been how long we have been able to hold out. I can honestly say that many of the Caldari pilots did their absolute best, at a significant disadvantage to bitterly hold on to our last few systems.
And I don't say Significant Disadvantage because of Mechanics or anything like that, which I think both sides can agree still are not ideal as they still focus too much on earning ISK (LP) over PvP ... but more that it has been an incredible amount of work, for those of us who remained in Caldari Militia to try to hold together what was left while putting up serious resistance in the attempt to deny the Gallente the complete warzone victory they achieved.
Sure we did not accomplish our goal and that sucks giant hairy loveberries, still this past month has put life back in to Faction Warfare (Gallente-Caldari) that hasn't been there for a very long time.
Most importantly this whole Campaign, has given us the oppurtunity to become stronger and more solidified as a whole. In my opinion this has all been the kick in the pants that Caldari Militia has been in need of.
Now if CCP can only sort out the Faction Warfare mechanics without all this pesky ISK / LP Focus and actually provide us with some real Sovereignty bonus' to capturing and holding systems with LP (and I mean useful amounts of LP!!) from Kills basically pushing all of these damn Alt Farmers back to Incursions / Null-Sec then we can get back to the job at hand of killing each other over valueable real-est that grows in value the longer you hold it.
This past month honestly has probably been the best test of the new Faction Warfare mechanics, there are many of the changes that Retribution brought that honestly have been nothing but good; and some that still needs some work.
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ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.01.14 20:07:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:ground ctrl wrote:RavenTesio wrote:Given Caldari were given a Medal for every 24hr period that the Warzone was held, it would make sense given technically speaking the Gallente did hold all the systems for a single Downtime-to-Downtime period... they should be awarded a single medal.. Did Gallente hold the systems for 24 hours? Or did gallente lose a system within 24 hours? Does it not count as lost until downtime, or does it count as lost as soon as its "lost" due to the bunker bust? We had all systems for more than 24 hours regardless of which measure you use.
Then Gallente should get a medal.
Except XG, because he doesn't want one.
CCP should also make this medal (and other medals/happy horseshit for other achievments) a feature of the game.
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Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
147
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Posted - 2013.01.14 22:38:00 -
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Mehashi 'Kho wrote:So.... when / where / how / what colour etc etc.
Many people have bust their balls running pve content to grind towards this moment, maybe then a pair of sweaty balls on a little red cross plaque would be appropriate?
Never. Nowhere. Maybe those CCP employees actively engaged on Gal side can do it somehow after all.
No one has achieved anything. When you do it for at least half as long as Caldari did, you can ask for a medal. Even in a game designed for hypocrites, this would be too much. |
Generals4
Liandri Covenant
1700
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Posted - 2013.01.14 23:00:00 -
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While i think the gals should get a medal because it was probably really tedious to get all the systems I don't like the fact some people compare it to when the Calmil got all the systems. Back when cal mil got a medal there was no reward at all for plexing except that medal. Meanwhile under the current system there was already a reward involved (all the LP). (and than there was that totally stupid "emergency" patch which f*cked up everything pretty badly and the fact the LP rewards for circling a button gives the one "in control" an army of farmers, an army which the cal mil didn't have back in the days).
-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
916
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Posted - 2013.01.14 23:23:00 -
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Generals4 wrote:.....gives the one "in control" an army of farmers, an army which the cal mil didn't have back in the days). Oh they had control of plenty of alts... ask Bad Messenger and Damar. |
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Ophelia Crotchmore
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.01.14 23:39:00 -
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I've never undocked and I'm getting a shiny medal for asking stupid questions in militia chat me thinks.
If I warp to the sun will my ship melt? How do you kill Super Chair? Why can't I fit plates and shield extenders for double the strength? I put gyros on my Moa and it's dps still sucks - why? And many more classics.....
I believe I have earned my medal more than those plexing thingos (whatever they are) and I want it NOW. |
Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
466
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Posted - 2013.01.14 23:47:00 -
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Generals4 wrote:While i think the gals should get a medal because it was probably really tedious to get all the systems I don't like the fact some people compare it to when the Calmil got all the systems. Back when cal mil got a medal there was no reward at all for plexing except that medal. Meanwhile under the current system there was already a reward involved (all the LP). (and than there was that totally stupid "emergency" patch which f*cked up everything pretty badly and the fact the LP rewards for circling a button gives the one "in control" an army of farmers, an army which the cal mil didn't have back in the days).
In reality, the announced patch day was the only silly thing. Fact is that caldari wanted to manipulate the system before the patch to land themselves in a superior position. Another fact is that certain corps in gal mil were ready to stop that happening.
The emergency patch was unknown to both sides and as such was a better 'out' to the farmville and the expected (but unrealistic) outcome that cal mil wanted, built on the efforts of their army of alt farmers. Clearly cal mil felt entitled to a victory even though it was based on countless lp farming alts. Sorry that didnt work out for you lol.
Both sides were landed with a new and unexpected landscape in FW. If the position were reversed its hard to claim that gallente could not have capped pretty much all the systems within a couple of days.
As it was we ended up with little more than half the warzone under our control. Its not our fault that cal mil continued their downward spiral. Thats mostly because most of you guys cannot stand each other.
Im pretty sure evoke will learn to hate their own militias guts in short order, as the pressure of holding a lot of systems almost alone, even as a large corp, grows on them. |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile.
925
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Posted - 2013.01.15 00:34:00 -
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You have to remember that Amarr got run over when changes were broadcast months in advance. Read the comments attached to this Blog, particularly the 7th one. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
384
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Posted - 2013.01.15 01:14:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:You have to remember that Amarr got run over when changes were broadcast months in advance. Read the comments attached to this Blog, particularly the 7th one.
Amarr got over run at the start because they for what ever reason unknown to me expected CCP to reset the war zone, so they didn't fight to hold or take anything. Caldari on the other hand held War Zone control the majority of the time, since CCP started tooling about with FW and only started losing after CCP did the surprise patch. Up until the surprise patch that left Gals in a war zone control, it was always Caldari dictating the control of the War Zone.
There were struggles here and there but over all it was always Caldari in control until that patch, hence the reason so many Caldari's quit because it simply handed the War zone to Gals whom quite frankly did not deserve it. |
Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
466
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Posted - 2013.01.15 01:20:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:You have to remember that Amarr got run over when changes were broadcast months in advance. Read the comments attached to this Blog, particularly the 7th one. Amarr got over run at the start because they for what ever reason unknown to me expected CCP to reset the war zone, so they didn't fight to hold or take anything. Caldari on the other hand held War Zone control the majority of the time, since CCP started tooling about with FW and only started losing after CCP did the surprise patch. Up until the surprise patch that left Gals in a war zone control, it was always Caldari dictating the control of the War Zone. There were struggles here and there but over all it was always Caldari in control until that patch, hence the reason so many Caldari's quit because it simply handed the War zone to Gals whom quite frankly did not deserve it.
You were only winning before the surprise patch because of hundreds of farmer alts as evidenced by the VP numbers of those times. Current VP numbers show fairly even levels of progress in the occupancy war. Where older cal mil corps have left, evoke have replaced them.
Im sorry that you feel that those farmer alts entitled you to a warzone victory. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
384
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Posted - 2013.01.15 01:29:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Mutnin wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:You have to remember that Amarr got run over when changes were broadcast months in advance. Read the comments attached to this Blog, particularly the 7th one. Amarr got over run at the start because they for what ever reason unknown to me expected CCP to reset the war zone, so they didn't fight to hold or take anything. Caldari on the other hand held War Zone control the majority of the time, since CCP started tooling about with FW and only started losing after CCP did the surprise patch. Up until the surprise patch that left Gals in a war zone control, it was always Caldari dictating the control of the War Zone. There were struggles here and there but over all it was always Caldari in control until that patch, hence the reason so many Caldari's quit because it simply handed the War zone to Gals whom quite frankly did not deserve it. You were only winning before the surprise patch because of hundreds of farmer alts as evidenced by the VP numbers of those times. Current VP numbers show fairly even levels of progress in the occupancy war. Where older cal mil corps have left, evoke have replaced them. Im sorry that you feel that those farmer alts entitled you to a warzone victory.
You guys had just as many farmer alts as we did. Yours were just flying the flag of Minmatar Militia. You guys had no VP's because the Minmatars didn't get counted and no one was farming with Gal alts at that time, because you guys were at tier 1 most of the time. You guys were running Minmatar farm alts or Caldari mission running alts. Meanwhile you never had to deal with any Amarr alts coming into your space, like we had to deal with both Minmatar & Gals in ours.
It wasn't til you got handed the war zone via the patch and Caldari largely got pissed and quit, that you started winning the Sov war. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
916
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Posted - 2013.01.15 02:15:00 -
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Why do you whine about a system you didn't participate in anyways?
Plus, that system is long gone dead. So what's the point in whining about it to begin with? |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
384
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Posted - 2013.01.15 02:23:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Why do you whine about a system you didn't participate in anyways?
Plus, that system is long gone dead. So what's the point in whining about it to begin with?
Why do you worry so much about what I do? |
Dread Operative
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
96
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Posted - 2013.01.15 02:27:00 -
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What was the total ships/isk destroyed when the Caldari pushed for occupancy compared to when we pushed for ours? |
Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
466
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Posted - 2013.01.15 03:05:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Mutnin wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:You have to remember that Amarr got run over when changes were broadcast months in advance. Read the comments attached to this Blog, particularly the 7th one. Amarr got over run at the start because they for what ever reason unknown to me expected CCP to reset the war zone, so they didn't fight to hold or take anything. Caldari on the other hand held War Zone control the majority of the time, since CCP started tooling about with FW and only started losing after CCP did the surprise patch. Up until the surprise patch that left Gals in a war zone control, it was always Caldari dictating the control of the War Zone. There were struggles here and there but over all it was always Caldari in control until that patch, hence the reason so many Caldari's quit because it simply handed the War zone to Gals whom quite frankly did not deserve it. You were only winning before the surprise patch because of hundreds of farmer alts as evidenced by the VP numbers of those times. Current VP numbers show fairly even levels of progress in the occupancy war. Where older cal mil corps have left, evoke have replaced them. Im sorry that you feel that those farmer alts entitled you to a warzone victory. You guys had just as many farmer alts as we did. Yours were just flying the flag of Minmatar Militia. You guys had no VP's because the Minmatars didn't get counted and no one was farming with Gal alts at that time, because you guys were at tier 1 most of the time. You guys were running Minmatar farm alts or Caldari mission running alts. Meanwhile you never had to deal with any Amarr alts coming into your space, like we had to deal with both Minmatar & Gals in ours. It wasn't til you got handed the war zone via the patch and Caldari largely got pissed and quit, that you started winning the Sov war.
Gallente didnt have even close to the farmers that were working on the caldari and minmatar side. That is why it would take us many weeks to build up to our cash out. Whereas after gallente cashouts the caldari would have the bulk of the gallente systems vulnerable with a handful of days.
When there were caldari systems to capture it would make sense that if these mythical gallente farmers existed that they would be farming caldari space since amarr had next to no systems left until :nulli:
Caldari routinely hit well over 100k vp per day. Gallente occasionally hit 30k iirc.
I know you dont want to face these simple facts matey. I do hope they dont interfere with whatever dream state you are currently enjoying. |
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Shaalira D'arc
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
646
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Posted - 2013.01.15 06:09:00 -
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The Farming Alt Armies were with the Minmatar and the Caldari during the post inferno period.
Why?
NPC imbalance.
You could speed-tank any offensive Amarr or Gallente plex using an agile (stabbed or pvp) frig. In Minmatar and Caldari plexes, you were bombarded with missile spam. You actually took damage.
So the farmers went to the factions that didn't have to deal with missile spam in their offensive plexes. |
Julius Foederatus
Hyper-Nova
159
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Posted - 2013.01.15 06:17:00 -
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I'm pretty sure just between Crosi and me we had 100-200 farmer kills with our stealth bombers (all Caldari btw) before CCP ****** up the accel gates. Anyone who is claiming that we had just as many farmers as Caldari is either being willfully disingenuous, monumentally stupid, or simply is making claims about things they really don't know anything about. Even a casual glance at a weeks worth of play in those days would tell you which side had the most farmers (hint: it wasn't Gallente). |
SaltyandSweet
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
25
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Posted - 2013.01.15 06:46:00 -
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Julius Foederatus wrote:I'm pretty sure just between Crosi and me we had 100-200 farmer kills with our stealth bombers (all Caldari btw) before CCP ****** up the accel gates. Anyone who is claiming that we had just as many farmers as Caldari is either being willfully disingenuous, monumentally stupid, or simply is making claims about things they really don't know anything about. Even a casual glance at a weeks worth of play in those days would tell you which side had the most farmers (hint: it wasn't Gallente). lol you just described the entire caldari fw! |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
384
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Posted - 2013.01.15 07:05:00 -
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Julius Foederatus wrote:I'm pretty sure just between Crosi and me we had 100-200 farmer kills with our stealth bombers (all Caldari btw) before CCP ****** up the accel gates. Anyone who is claiming that we had just as many farmers as Caldari is either being willfully disingenuous, monumentally stupid, or simply is making claims about things they really don't know anything about. Even a casual glance at a weeks worth of play in those days would tell you which side had the most farmers (hint: it wasn't Gallente).
Yes you are correct there were no Gal or Minmatar farmers anywhere. I mean stabbed & cloaking incursus were just a figment of our imagination. The plexes simply ran the timers down them selves..
here is your medal..
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/89/galmedal.jpg/ |
Dread Operative
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
96
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Posted - 2013.01.15 07:25:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:[quote=Julius Foederatus]
Yes you are correct there were no Gal or Minmatar farmers anywhere. I mean stabbed & cloaking incursus were just a figment of our imagination. The plexes simply ran the timers down them selves..
He didn't say we didn't have any, he said there were more Caldari alts. Also stabbed incursus, unlikely. You had to use all the lows to tank anything, you had to fit for pve, and you had to have decent skills. Were a 3 day trained condor alt could tank any Gal or Amarr PLEX or skilled pilot in a PVP nano fit ship. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
167
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Posted - 2013.01.15 08:03:00 -
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Julius Foederatus wrote:I'm pretty sure just between Crosi and me we had 100-200 farmer kills with our stealth bombers (all Caldari btw) before CCP ****** up the accel gates. Anyone who is claiming that we had just as many farmers as Caldari is either being willfully disingenuous, monumentally stupid, or simply is making claims about things they really don't know anything about. Even a casual glance at a weeks worth of play in those days would tell you which side had the most farmers (hint: it wasn't Gallente).
I do not take part in the usual crap fights on this issue and have not done anything except be nice and congratulate the Gallente on their success.
However - on the issue of farmer numbers you are totally full of crap.
The Gallente have just as many farming alts as the Caldari. Many are in Amarr/Minny space so you might not have seen them but they are there in droves.
Not trying to take your victory away or make it a lesser victory. But if your gonna talk rubbish at least do it about a different part of eve none of us actually play. Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
466
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Posted - 2013.01.15 11:12:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Julius Foederatus wrote:I'm pretty sure just between Crosi and me we had 100-200 farmer kills with our stealth bombers (all Caldari btw) before CCP ****** up the accel gates. Anyone who is claiming that we had just as many farmers as Caldari is either being willfully disingenuous, monumentally stupid, or simply is making claims about things they really don't know anything about. Even a casual glance at a weeks worth of play in those days would tell you which side had the most farmers (hint: it wasn't Gallente). I do not take part in the usual crap fights on this issue and have not done anything except be nice and congratulate the Gallente on their success. However - on the issue of farmer numbers you are totally full of crap. The Gallente have just as many farming alts as the Caldari. Many are in Amarr/Minny space so you might not have seen them but they are there in droves. Not trying to take your victory away or make it a lesser victory. But if your gonna talk rubbish at least do it about a different part of eve none of us actually play.
Incorrect, gallente had very few farmer alts. The minmatar alts that farmed caldarispace for their tier 5 cashout lp were seldom fully focussed on gallente space (though it did happen from time to time). After the amarr tier 4 push where minmatar had systems to farm in their own space and in parallel after gallente's tier 5 push was one occasion where most farmers were in their own space. The victory point numbers during that period showed the caldari slightly ahead of the minmatar with both sides hitting 120k vp's.
So ya, there was a lot of minmatar alts running in caldari space, no doubt. Still, my initial point is that gallente didnt have a farming army, caldari did. And caldari moral was destroyed when the ninja patch pulled the carpet from under their plan to monopolise on caldari farming alts. At that point both sides had to move quick. Gallente moved quicker. |
Lord Zekk
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
8
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Posted - 2013.01.15 11:28:00 -
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Forget farmers, forget everything else.
Good job Frogs. Short lived victory but still a victory none the less. CCP give them a medal.
See you on the field.
o7 |
SaltyandSweet
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
25
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Posted - 2013.01.15 11:32:00 -
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Lord Zekk wrote:Forget farmers, forget everything else.
Good job Frogs. Short lived victory but still a victory none the less. CCP give them a medal.
See you on the field.
o7 i liek thid guiy! |
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CCP Gargant
C C P C C P Alliance
352
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Posted - 2013.01.15 11:52:00 -
[90] - Quote
I removed a few inflammatory posts from the thread. Let's all be happy for each other, just this once? Please? CCP Gargant | Community Representative | EVE Illuminati |
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