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Pitrolo Orti
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.12 02:41:00 -
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People run and get your flu shot...even better go get your flu shot and then short bonds and get real life ISK!!! Anyways if you know anything about the market go long TBT and make some money if it is not this year it will be next...if you know what I am talking :P Good Luck! Your wallet contains only 110.56 ISK, but you require 405,000,000.00 ISK to complete this operation. |
Shalia Ripper
300
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Posted - 2013.01.12 04:51:00 -
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Step 1 in Zombie Apocalypse - Create influenza epidemic scare Step 2 in Zombie Apocalypse - Introduce Miracle Cure Step 3 in Zombie Apocalypse - ????? Step 4 in Zombie Apocalypse - HEADSHOTS! Why can't I just delete my signature CCP? WHYYYYYYY?
Signatures have consequences - Malcanis
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Pitrolo Orti
State Protectorate Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2013.01.12 13:09:00 -
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Shalia Ripper wrote:Step 1 in Zombie Apocalypse - Create influenza epidemic scare Step 2 in Zombie Apocalypse - Introduce Miracle Cure Step 3 in Zombie Apocalypse - ????? Step 4 in Zombie Apocalypse - HEADSHOTS!
That why I got DayZ to start training for the Zombie Apoc Your wallet contains only 110.56 ISK, but you require 405,000,000.00 ISK to complete this operation. |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1425
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Posted - 2013.01.12 13:12:00 -
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There are studies showing flu shots make people sicker, but none showing they help in any way.
We're just supposed to take the manufacturers opinion that flu shots make you safer. I think i'll pass. Haven't been sick in like 15 years anyway. No injections needed. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Mizhir
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2543
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Posted - 2013.01.12 13:18:00 -
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So there is this joke that I heard during the swine flu epidemic (or was it bird flu, dont remember). I have only heard it in danish, so here is a rough translation.
An old man goes to the doctor to get his vaccine for the swine flu. The doctor prepares the vaccine and then puts on a mask. The old man asks: "Do you really need the mask? I am not sick." And the doctor replies: "No, but with the current prices of this medicine, it is a daylight robbery." If you are having Smurf problems I feel bad for you son I got 99 problems but a Blue aint one. |
Eurydia Vespasian
Nova Insula Mining and Industrial
545
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Posted - 2013.01.12 15:31:00 -
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guess i need to work on my danish humor. |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
817
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Posted - 2013.01.12 15:41:00 -
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Plaster on my arm right now.
She really made me bleed this year, and then had the gall to complain that I bled a lot.
Nurses...
AK GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥ Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1597
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Posted - 2013.01.12 15:55:00 -
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You're exaggerating and somewhat misrepresenting. IF you manage to get the proper strain vaccine, you will get less sick or maybe not even sick at all. There's absolutely no question to the fact that vaccines IN GENERAL work, but in some specific cases, it's tricky.
The problem however lies with "similar but incorrect priming" of the immune system which can actually happen in some cases. This causes the wrong type of antibodies to be initially produced by the white blood cells that THINK they detect the pathogen they have been trained to fight (but the actual pathogen is just similar, not the same, and a different antibody would be needed). At the same time, the activation of those "incorrectly trained" white blood cells inhibits the fast initial production of other "learning capable" white blood cells, making the infection worse at first than it would have otherwise been.
The really bad news is that flu strains tend to mutate//adapt rather quickly, and often times strains that are similar enough to be confused by your immune system do develop, and in some cases, they end up spreading more than the original strains. Not just that, but in some years, vaccine strains are not really that well matched with the strains that end up in circulation that season, and the effectiveness can be minimal to begin with.
So, yes, flu shots are a gamble. You could just take the infection as it comes, or you could gamble with it, and either end up a lot better or a lot worse. People that do not get sick at all because the flu shot worked for them tend to not be able to know for sure it was the flu shot that protected them, so obviously, you'll mostly get reports from the people where the flu shot made things worse.
Overall, yes, statistically speaking, it MIGHT be better to NOT get a flu shot at all, but that's not a certainty. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T T2 BPO poll: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114789 Buying this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147098 |
baltec1
Bat Country
4737
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Posted - 2013.01.12 17:28:00 -
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Akita T wrote:You're exaggerating and somewhat misrepresenting. IF you manage to get the proper strain vaccine, you will get less sick or maybe not even sick at all. There's absolutely no question to the fact that vaccines IN GENERAL work, but in some specific cases, it's tricky. The problem however lies with "similar but incorrect priming" of the immune system which can actually happen in some cases. This causes the wrong type of antibodies to be initially produced by the white blood cells that THINK they detect the pathogen they have been trained to fight (but the actual pathogen is just similar, not the same, and a different antibody would be needed). At the same time, the activation of those "incorrectly trained" white blood cells inhibits the fast initial production of other "learning capable" white blood cells, making the infection worse at first than it would have otherwise been. The really bad news is that flu strains tend to mutate//adapt rather quickly, and often times strains that are similar enough to be confused by your immune system do develop, and in some cases, they end up spreading more than the original strains. Not just that, but in some years, vaccine strains are not really that well matched with the strains that end up in circulation that season, and the effectiveness can be minimal to begin with. So, yes, flu shots are a gamble. You could just take the infection as it comes, or you could gamble with it, and either end up a lot better or a lot worse. People that do not get sick at all because the flu shot worked for them tend to not be able to know for sure it was the flu shot that protected them, so obviously, you'll mostly get reports from the people where the flu shot made things worse. Overall, yes, statistically speaking, it MIGHT be better to NOT get a flu shot at all, but that's not a certainty.
TL:DR
You touched someone whith a different type of plague yo. |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
873
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Posted - 2013.01.12 19:31:00 -
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Haven't had a flu shot in over 10 years, I just avoid people. |
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
699
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Posted - 2013.01.13 00:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Akita T wrote:You're exaggerating and somewhat misrepresenting. IF you manage to get the proper strain vaccine, you will get less sick or maybe not even sick at all. There's absolutely no question to the fact that vaccines IN GENERAL work, but in some specific cases, it's tricky. The problem however lies with "similar but incorrect priming" of the immune system which can actually happen in some cases. This causes the wrong type of antibodies to be initially produced by the white blood cells that THINK they detect the pathogen they have been trained to fight (but the actual pathogen is just similar, not the same, and a different antibody would be needed). At the same time, the activation of those "incorrectly trained" white blood cells inhibits the fast initial production of other "learning capable" white blood cells, making the infection worse at first than it would have otherwise been. The really bad news is that flu strains tend to mutate//adapt rather quickly, and often times strains that are similar enough to be confused by your immune system do develop, and in some cases, they end up spreading more than the original strains. Not just that, but in some years, vaccine strains are not really that well matched with the strains that end up in circulation that season, and the effectiveness can be minimal to begin with. So, yes, flu shots are a gamble. You could just take the infection as it comes, or you could gamble with it, and either end up a lot better or a lot worse. People that do not get sick at all because the flu shot worked for them tend to not be able to know for sure it was the flu shot that protected them, so obviously, you'll mostly get reports from the people where the flu shot made things worse. Overall, yes, statistically speaking, it MIGHT be better to NOT get a flu shot at all, but that's not a certainty. TL:DR You touched someone whith a different type of plague yo. baltec nailed it dead center.
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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1426
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Posted - 2013.01.13 01:02:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Overall, yes, statistically speaking, it MIGHT be better to NOT get a flu shot at all, but that's not a certainty.
The only case i can see it being important is with the very weakest people who could be killed by something like a flu. Sick old people and babies, for example. And even then it's a crap shoot, but maybe one worth taking.
In the absolute worst case 'pandemic' scenario you would just have everyone else calling in sick for a couple days. Not dropping dead in the streets like media outlets and drug companies would have people believe. So people should weigh that against the price of a flu vaccine. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Rain6639
Team Evil
88
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Posted - 2013.01.13 01:05:00 -
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I left the house to buy a PS3, came back with an AR-15 that shoots AK-47 bullets (7.62 x 39mm) and put a pistol version on order with the gunsmith.
what was that about boom headshot? TQ mass login record breaker attempt..sat and sun, from dt to dt+2h? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192504 |
Pitrolo Orti
State Protectorate Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2013.01.13 01:24:00 -
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I think I just got the Flu...I hate people Your wallet contains only 110.56 ISK, but you require 405,000,000.00 ISK to complete this operation. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1598
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Posted - 2013.01.13 01:53:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Akita T wrote:Overall, yes, statistically speaking, it MIGHT be better to NOT get a flu shot at all, but that's not a certainty. The only case i can see it being important is with the very weakest people who could be killed by something like a flu. Sick old people and babies, for example. Or if you're a person that works in a time-critical job and can't afford the downtime. Or if you can't afford to take a few sick days if they are unpaid ones (either crappy job benefits, or you're self-employed, etc). Or if you work a lot with the public, or if you're a teacher, or if you have "at risk" people at home and you want to not get them sick, or, or...
Quote:people should weigh that against the price of a flu vaccine. You mean, the rough ballpark price of a large pizza ? I have no idea how much the flu shot costs around your parts, but over here it's something around 10 euro. It doesn't sound like a significant once-per season (or even once-per-year) expense.
If it saves you even just a couple of hours of discomfort it would already be worth the cost, IMO. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T T2 BPO poll: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114789 Buying this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147098 |
Mars Theran
Red Rogue Squadron
1596
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Posted - 2013.01.13 02:48:00 -
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Pitrolo Orti wrote:People run and get your flu shot...even better go get your flu shot and then short bonds and get real life ISK!!! Anyways if you know anything about the market go long TBT and make some money if it is not this year it will be next...if you know what I am talking :P Good Luck!
Flus don't bother me. I just shake my Banhammer at them and they go away. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Rain6639
Team Evil
88
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Posted - 2013.01.13 03:32:00 -
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when you have the Chaplain pacing the hall outside the medic office, ranting and swearing about the annual mandatory flu sickness...
makes you stop and think, hey, maybe this *is* dumb.
I thought maybe it was because we're Americans and, being American, we decided to fight sickness with preemptive, overwhelming sickness. I'm surprised to learn the resentment transcends language; love, laughter, tears, and the flu vaccine. TQ mass login record breaker attempt..sat and sun, from dt to dt+2h? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192504 |
Quintos Gaius Kaltos
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.13 05:28:00 -
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I'd still like to believe that is was less an issue of OH GOD SUPERFLU, and more that people are just a bit more whiny. But the ER has been pretty packed almost since Christmas so there's that. Keeps me in the job. |
stoicfaux
2220
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Posted - 2013.01.13 05:54:00 -
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Follow the money. If the flu vaccine didn't work, insurance companies probably wouldn't cover it.
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Sodium Canine
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.01.13 08:18:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:[quote=Akita T].
In the absolute worst case 'pandemic' scenario you would just have everyone else calling in sick for a couple days. Not dropping dead in the streets like media outlets and drug companies would have people believe. So people should weigh that against the price of a flu vaccine.
Google "Spanish Flu".
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Frank Millar
102
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Posted - 2013.01.13 11:59:00 -
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Being asthmatic, I'm supposed to get flu shots every year, or I might be in trouble (i.e. get pneumonia and die).
Problem was, I'd still get the flu (or the symptoms thereof, but I don't see the difference) and be sick for two weeks.
Once I started exercising and eating reasonably healthy, I stopped taking these flu shots, and hey presto, no flu for the third year in a row now.
* knocks on wood *
Edit: I might also add: I avoid people like the plague. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1598
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Posted - 2013.01.13 16:12:00 -
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Frank Millar wrote:I might also add: I avoid people like the plague. Pretty difficult to get infected if you have next to no contact with the pathogen
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
3300
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Posted - 2013.01.13 17:14:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:There are studies showing flu shots make people sicker, but none showing they help in any way. We're just supposed to take the manufacturers opinion that flu shots make you safer. I think i'll pass. Haven't been sick in like 15 years anyway. No injections needed.
It seems like I got the flu about every 5 years when I was younger, but I have not had one in at least 20 years now. No shots either.
Really really strange. America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
700
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Posted - 2013.01.13 19:09:00 -
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Sodium Canine wrote:Bane Necran wrote:[quote=Akita T].
In the absolute worst case 'pandemic' scenario you would just have everyone else calling in sick for a couple days. Not dropping dead in the streets like media outlets and drug companies would have people believe. So people should weigh that against the price of a flu vaccine. Google "Spanish Flu". you mean the pig flu we had a few years ago? the one that, pound-per-pound, killed even less than seasonal flu in that year? the one that the media went "OMFGSUPERFLU! BETTER GET INDOORS CUZ EEEEVERYONE'S DYING OUT HERE!"
truth is, the spanish (aka pig) flu did kill quite a number of people back then, when we didn't had anti-biotics and we pretty much revelled in crap. Boats were the only trans-continental way to travel, but due to how many people were stuffed in there, it was actually quite easy to transmit it over seas.
so, you have a high lack of hygiene in the general populace, a lack of anything close to modern medicine, and a general lack of knowledge. no wonder that flu killed millions. Look how many killed when it resurfaced.
anyways the reason why the flu vaccine doesn't work that well is because you're basically being inocculated against the previous year's common strain. there are a really huge number of flu strains, and every year a new one resurfaces. so yeah of course it's infective, but we still take it, because it's at least one strain you don't have to worry about. You *could* receive a vaccine with a flu cocktail for example, but it's too expensive, hard to maintain, and it's still not 100% effective. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1432
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Posted - 2013.01.13 19:17:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:anyways the reason why the flu vaccine doesn't work that well is because you're basically being inocculated against the previous year's common strain.
And you'd already be immune to it if you encountered it.
The way some of these people talk you'd think vaccines are our only hope. Aside from our own immune systems becoming immune to every strain we encounter, even ones that don't manage to make us sick, we also gain the immunities our mother has through breast milk.
It's almost as if we've evolved to handle it. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
700
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Posted - 2013.01.13 19:42:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:And you'd already be immune to it if you encountered it. IF.
in all honesty, any common flu strain can be fought off by your own body. Thing is, you'll feel terrible for a few weeks, but you'll survive, if you don't have any previous condition, or your body's defenses are too weak. this is why young and elderly ones are vaccined, because they don't have their body at 100% and these guys were the main target of the H1N1 strain (AKA pig/spanish flu) "outbreak" if you want to call it, a few years ago. healthy people went over a nasty case of flu, but bounced back after a few weeks stuck in their houses, and they gained spanish flu antibodies.
seasonal flu ALSO kills the same people and in quite a large number btw, and that's why it is important to give the flu shot to the risk groups and people in important occupations where they can't leave work for extended periods of time, because it's either 60% chance of getting it, or 40% chance of getting it, for example. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1433
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Posted - 2013.01.13 20:52:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:H1N1 strain (AKA pig/spanish flu) "outbreak" if you want to call it
What i remember most about the so-called Swine Flu epidemic is doctors professionally diagnosing everyone on the spot with 'probably swine flu'. All the other influenza virus' took that year off i guess.
Grimpak wrote:it is important to give the flu shot to the risk groups and people in important occupations where they can't leave work for extended periods of time
Grimpak wrote:in all honesty, any common flu strain can be fought off by your own body. Thing is, you'll feel terrible for a few weeks
Maybe i just haven't been sick in so long i've forgotten, but that seems a little long. Even chickenpox wasn't that bad. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Rain6639
Team Evil
95
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Posted - 2013.01.13 21:05:00 -
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flu shot news is -so- daytime tv.
Want To Adopt: any 2003 children to work as passive income miner alts in the PLEX trade.. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
700
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Posted - 2013.01.13 21:12:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Grimpak wrote:in all honesty, any common flu strain can be fought off by your own body. Thing is, you'll feel terrible for a few weeks Maybe i just haven't been sick in so long i've forgotten, but that seems a little long. Even chickenpox wasn't nearly that bad. 1-2 weeks. 3 at most, the 3rd being mostly your body recovering and not the actual flu. Normally it's 1 week for one of the common strains and you bounce back. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Sodium Canine
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.01.14 01:37:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:[quote=Sodium Canine].
truth is, the spanish (aka pig) flu did kill quite a number of people back then, when we didn't had anti-biotics and we pretty much revelled in crap. .
OK, I'll bite. Please explain how access to antibiotics is in anyway related to the lethality of a particular strain of flu? |
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