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Domineren
Rebirth.
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Posted - 2013.01.14 13:02:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Danny John-Peter wrote: /SNIP
considering tengus are about as common as T3 comes , and people are saying how other T3s are crap compared to it . How do you kill a cruiser than can speed tank 2000+dps while dishing 600-700 omni dps ? um who told you other T3s are crap compared to tengu? Proteus is like playing on god mode Senn Denroth - Highsec PVP is only for the elite of the elite....
I LOVE DODIXIE <3
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Hidden Snake
Genco Fatal Ascension
238
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Posted - 2013.01.14 13:44:00 -
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in the days of 100mn tengus the best cocktail to kill them was .... 1 rapier, 1 falcon, 1 intie, 1 AF and 2 neuting canes ...... it actually worked on any t3s, but i saw some of the tengus died to simple armor cane with dual web ....
after cruiser buff people kinda stopped flying them because every 1 year old noob can blob u with webs and 600 dps vexors with logies. IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
Tennessee Jack
Blac-x
8
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Posted - 2013.01.14 14:49:00 -
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A 600,000 ehp Proteus.. would take 10 destroyers, doing 1000 dps, a minute to kill.
Oh yea, need to bring 2 to 3 ECM boats, and 2 to 3 Insta Lock Inties to web the thing, and pod the pod.
... thats if he is alone, and for some odd reason can't kill the Destroyers.
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Doddy
Dark-Rising
830
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Posted - 2013.01.14 14:52:00 -
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neuts. Also the pilots are often idiots, which helps. |
Serkaan
Organized Chaos Inc Spectral Knights
0
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Posted - 2013.01.14 15:06:00 -
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One word Rapazu. |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
755
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Posted - 2013.01.14 16:11:00 -
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Princess Saskia wrote:The counters.
Cloaky nullified t3 - A blob sitting on the other side of the gate its jumping through sitting around 15km off the gate so the ship cant cloak
Combat 100mn t3 - Webs, once you pin down one of these ships they arent going to last long atall.
Brawling fit t3 - Neuts (these tend to be either legions or proteus's) shut off their guns so you can kill them in due course
/Princess
Cloaky nullified : Blobbing 100mn : Super T2 gang Brawling : Super neuts
2 out of 3 includes blobbing and chiddy chiddy gang banging ... Since when pvp devolved into such a state? A sex symbol becomes a thing. I just hate to be a thing. -Marilyn Monroe
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Serkaan
Organized Chaos Inc Spectral Knights
0
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Posted - 2013.01.14 16:30:00 -
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Well a Loki with a Web and neut. |
Gah'Matar
Knights of the Nyan
14
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Posted - 2013.01.14 17:50:00 -
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Tennessee Jack wrote:A 600,000 ehp Proteus.. would take 10 destroyers, doing 1000 dps, a minute to kill.
Oh yea, need to bring 2 to 3 ECM boats, and 2 to 3 Insta Lock Inties to web the thing, and pod the pod.
... thats if he is alone, and for some odd reason can't kill the Destroyers.
To get that kind of tank, he's running active hardeners. Neut him... 2-3 dragoons and his tank will collapse to raw hp. |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
755
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Posted - 2013.01.15 00:05:00 -
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Well by the time you see him active tanked , the chances are you're in a Brutix or a Drake or one of the more mainstream ships. You possibly can't be suggesting we should go take a cane ?? A sex symbol becomes a thing. I just hate to be a thing. -Marilyn Monroe
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
167
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Posted - 2013.01.15 01:46:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Legions , Tengus , Loki...
All names that would instantly send a chill down the spine of those listening on the intel channel. Fast , agile , and very lethal. They are among the MOST dangerous ships to fight and perhaps one of the most resilient on the battlefield .
With the damage potential of a Battleship and agility of a cruiser , just how do you counter them???
In this game of Rock Paper Scissors Spock. Just what can we use to defeat Spock??
Tengu isn't very dangerous since heavy missile nerf. If you have a small group of fast frigates + a few webs and don't do anything silly like leave ur mwd on while getting shot at then Tengu isn't very dangerous anymore.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1055
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Posted - 2013.01.15 02:08:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Princess Saskia wrote:The counters.
Cloaky nullified t3 - A blob sitting on the other side of the gate its jumping through sitting around 15km off the gate so the ship cant cloak
Combat 100mn t3 - Webs, once you pin down one of these ships they arent going to last long atall.
Brawling fit t3 - Neuts (these tend to be either legions or proteus's) shut off their guns so you can kill them in due course
/Princess Cloaky nullified : Blobbing 100mn : Super T2 gang Brawling : Super neuts 2 out of 3 includes blobbing and chiddy chiddy gang banging ... Since when pvp devolved into such a state?
Probably about the same time it became cool to miss characterize someone else's post. |
Akturous
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
50
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Posted - 2013.01.16 08:11:00 -
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Why is there always threads about how impossibruu t3s are to kill?
You know when you take away bonuses and implants, an armour loki becomes an 80k ehp bc with slightly smaller sig and a little faster than a cane.
Maybe if your members trained recons, you'd be fine. Seriously, loki or legion, two talos and a rapier, job done in most cases. Go two canes if your worried about needing neuts.
Tengu, rapier+arty nados for active tank or couple of canes/harbingers for everything else.
The key here is that you need a recon or another t3.
Alternatively, just bring a machariel, there's not really a t3 that does well against a properly fit mach with snakes and a good pilot. |
Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
433
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Posted - 2013.01.16 09:45:00 -
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Akturous wrote:Why is there always threads about how impossibruu t3s are to kill?
You know when you take away bonuses and implants, an armour loki becomes an 80k ehp bc with slightly smaller sig and a little faster than a cane.
Maybe if your members trained recons, you'd be fine. Seriously, loki or legion might need two talos and a rapier, job done in most cases. Go two canes if your worried about needing neuts.
Tengu, rapier+arty nados for active tank or couple of canes/harbingers for everything else.
The key here is that you need a recon or another t3.
Alternatively, just bring a machariel, there's not really a t3 that does well against a properly fit mach with snakes and a good pilot. A solo proteus/loki/laser legion can be killed by a curse or an arbitrator. If it's 100mn probably not the arby, but definitely the curse.
TLDR stop being ****.
rofl, he said he didn't want to outnumber the thing. Yet you still tell him the way to counter a T3 is to outnumber it.
TDLR stop being bad. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
115
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Posted - 2013.01.16 17:33:00 -
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what a whine thread. Do you really expect to find ONE ship that will counter every t3 1v1 for half the price? They're very strong ships but flying one doesn't make you some invincible god. Fighting is Magic |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
259
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Posted - 2013.01.16 19:07:00 -
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Uh this is fairly simple, just off the top of my head
Given all things equal (boosts, skills, etc) Caracal would be able to solo a blaster Proteus and most Legion fits, kite them to death. SFI can easily solo both the Tengu and the Loki, Loki needs to be close to 0 to start engagement but that's not too hard to set up.
QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Autumns Echo
Masters Of Destiny Pride Before Fall
0
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Posted - 2013.01.20 05:52:00 -
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The best way to counter a T3 is to avoid one. Or be in one. If you are scouting, observing, and using common tactics., you should be safe. This will not keep you out of a well placed trap... but use your mind. If its too quiet... think twice. |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1293
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Posted - 2013.01.20 08:52:00 -
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T3s are weak vs ewar, neuts, nano. there really not as all powerful as people automatically assume. |
Wiedzmin 3
Affinity Fan Club
0
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Posted - 2013.01.20 10:37:00 -
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Akturous wrote:Why is there always threads about how impossibruu t3s are to kill?
You know when you take away bonuses and implants, an armour loki becomes an 80k ehp bc with slightly smaller sig and a little faster than a cane.
Maybe if your members trained recons, you'd be fine. Seriously, loki or legion might need two talos and a rapier, job done in most cases. Go two canes if your worried about needing neuts.
Tengu, rapier+arty nados for active tank or couple of canes/harbingers for everything else.
The key here is that you need a recon or another t3.
Alternatively, just bring a machariel, there's not really a t3 that does well against a properly fit mach with snakes and a good pilot. A solo proteus/loki/laser legion can be killed by a curse or an arbitrator. If it's 100mn probably not the arby, but definitely the curse.
TLDR stop being ****.
Could be worse: forum could be full of threads "our 20 rifters and 3 thrashers could not kill a Fleet Stabber supported by 2 Guardians, FIX THIS GAME NOW" |
Akturous
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
50
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Posted - 2013.01.20 13:47:00 -
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Diesel47 wrote:Akturous wrote:Why is there always threads about how impossibruu t3s are to kill?
You know when you take away bonuses and implants, an armour loki becomes an 80k ehp bc with slightly smaller sig and a little faster than a cane.
Maybe if your members trained recons, you'd be fine. Seriously, loki or legion might need two talos and a rapier, job done in most cases. Go two canes if your worried about needing neuts.
Tengu, rapier+arty nados for active tank or couple of canes/harbingers for everything else.
The key here is that you need a recon or another t3.
Alternatively, just bring a machariel, there's not really a t3 that does well against a properly fit mach with snakes and a good pilot. A solo proteus/loki/laser legion can be killed by a curse or an arbitrator. If it's 100mn probably not the arby, but definitely the curse.
TLDR stop being ****. rofl, he said he didn't want to outnumber the thing. Yet you still tell him the way to counter a T3 is to outnumber it. TDLR stop being bad.
Fine bring Bhaalg, gg. You can't expect to bring 100mill of ship and kill 1bill easy as pie. CCP does indeed balance on cost, infact the only way you can balance is cost and training time. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
446
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Posted - 2013.01.20 15:33:00 -
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Status Webifer II
Need I say more? Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head. |
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Wiedzmin 3
Affinity Fan Club
2
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Posted - 2013.01.20 21:32:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:Stasis Webifier II
Need I say more?
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I |
Akulun Orkulus
1337H4X
0
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Posted - 2013.04.10 17:48:00 -
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It may not be preferred but in my opinion blobbing may be one of the most effective ways to kill a t3. For example, the other day some of my corp buddies and I were messing around in lowsec and wouldn't you know a solo Proteus comes in on us at a gate and starts firing all cylinders. Now keep in mind that this was after a fairly gnarly fight with a Cynabal and a Harbinger that knocked out 3 of our 6 guys, and all that was left of us was a damaged Cormorant, a Jaguar, and an Enyo(me). Needless to say the Corm fell pretty quick but the Jag and I were able to bring the Proteus down to 25% armor fairly quick before he decided it was a good idea to wait out the minute and jump through the gate. So even small groups (2-3 ships) can bring down a t3 if given enough time. |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
58
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Posted - 2013.04.10 22:05:00 -
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tastibait with arazu and rapier |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
905
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Posted - 2013.04.11 01:53:00 -
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Akulun Orkulus wrote:It may not be preferred but in my opinion blobbing may be one of the most effective ways to kill a t3. For example, the other day some of my corp buddies and I were messing around in lowsec and wouldn't you know a solo Proteus comes in on us at a gate and starts firing all cylinders. Now keep in mind that this was after a fairly gnarly fight with a Cynabal and a Harbinger that knocked out 3 of our 6 guys, and all that was left of us was a damaged Cormorant, a Jaguar, and an Enyo(me). Needless to say the Corm fell pretty quick but the Jag and I were able to bring the Proteus down to 25% armor fairly quick before he decided it was a good idea to wait out the minute and jump through the gate. So even small groups (2-3 ships) can bring down a t3 if given enough time.
ugh ... what about strategy ? I mean... an enyo and a jag is pretty much a pocket cruiser .. they are materials for fighting even battlecruisers . Is there a 101 Guide to Fighting somewher? DRINK SENSIBLY!(¦à_¦à_¦à_¦à(¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦à¦à¦à¦à¦à¦à(¦à_¦à_¦¦¦à-+¦¦¦à-¡-¡-¡-¡-¡a¦¦¦à-Ŧ¦¦ài¦¦¦àj¦¦¦àu¦¦¦àa¦¦¦àn¦¦¦àa¦¦-¡¦à-¡-¡¦à-¡_-¡¦à-¡_¦à_¦à_¦à_¦à_¦à_¦à_¦à_¦à-¡-¡¦à(-¡)~~-¡~n++ |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
424
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Posted - 2013.04.12 12:35:00 -
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to kill t3 you have to shoot them so long that they explode. |
Khalid DeCroix
MADPVP Mad Citizens
1
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Posted - 2013.04.15 06:13:00 -
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There is no facking counter to a ship that has 20 different fitting mods before you even fit the actual modules on the ship. The whole point of the t3's is that they were to fill multiple roles. Once you've established the role, then maybe, you can start talking about counters. |
Deerin
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
103
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Posted - 2013.04.15 06:26:00 -
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Don't feed the whiny troll please.
Bad Messenger wrote:to kill t3 you have to shoot them so long that they explode.
Probably best answer in this thread.
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Radamant Nemess
Caribbean Coke Enterprises
19
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Posted - 2013.04.15 10:47:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote: Just what can we use to defeat Spock??
3 Dramiels? i can fail at any speed you like |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance 24eme Legion Etrangere
112
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Posted - 2013.04.15 18:14:00 -
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Been my experience that neuts are the most helpful in taking down t3's |
Britta Nolen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.04.16 13:10:00 -
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in a 1v1 fight, i think command ships are the counter to t3. A majority of tengu fits vs a decently fit nighthawk will lead to either the tengu dying or having to disengage. |
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