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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
3268
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Posted - 2013.01.13 19:28:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:* 99% resists and enhanced shield boosting & capacitor recharge when industrial core is active If you want better defensive capabilities when you're using the industrial core then I can safely say you're doing it wrong. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
372
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Posted - 2013.01.13 19:29:00 -
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On a related note, capital ship would be almost invincible in hisec unless owners don't bother to check notifications about wardecs.
Nerf to mineral compression would be the best buff for Rorqual so far. But I have no slightest idea how would you do that... So far it's better to be left alone I think. |
Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
487
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Posted - 2013.01.13 19:45:00 -
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penhar wrote: * ability to house fighting ships in maimtance bay
It has that already. Ask any mission ninja. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |
Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
662
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Posted - 2013.01.13 19:57:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:a 4th high slot would be great, then you can run 3 links and a tractor. not sure there's a real reason for an extra mid, i'd rather see an extra low than an extra mid. tbh you only really need two: probe launcher and cloak. Extra set of bulkheads would be nice, though. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1476
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Posted - 2013.01.13 21:22:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:* 99% resists and enhanced shield boosting & capacitor recharge when industrial core is active If you want better defensive capabilities when you're using the industrial core then I can safely say you're doing it wrong. Other ideas are invited.
The Rorqual is a capital without offense, so I proposed increasing its defense in a non-permanent manner (while the core is active). As the Rorqual is immovable, it really needs some sort of defense if it is to be deployed on-grid, as CCP is moving towards on-grid boosting. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
700
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Posted - 2013.01.13 21:24:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:The Rorqual is a capital without offense
so, so wrong [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
199
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Posted - 2013.01.13 21:34:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:As the Rorqual is immovable, it really needs some sort of defense if it is to be deployed on-grid, as CCP is moving towards on-grid boosting.
As regards the on-grid boosting I believe the plan is to still allow mining bonus' to work off grid, unless CCP would like to correct me.
Boosting the rorq/ mining in general? What the point; you mine more ore, the market adjusts and the prices go down, and so you still make the same ISK as before. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
stoicfaux
2225
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Posted - 2013.01.13 21:40:00 -
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No one wants to bump a Rorqual in high-sec?
No one wants Capital Shield Transporters in high-sec for PvP or PvE?
Think of the asshattery! |
Dave stark
1516
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Posted - 2013.01.13 21:55:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:As the Rorqual is immovable, it really needs some sort of defense if it is to be deployed on-grid, as CCP is moving towards on-grid boosting. As regards the on-grid boosting I believe the plan is to still allow mining bonus' to work off grid, unless CCP would like to correct me. Boosting the rorq/ mining in general? What the point; you mine more ore, the market adjusts and the prices go down, and so you still make the same ISK as before.
the dev's comments have been ambiguous, they said they wanted to bring warfare links, not foreman links on to the grid, then followed that with a comment about it affecting miners, so who knows? "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
43
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Posted - 2013.01.13 22:08:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:* 99% resists and enhanced shield boosting & capacitor recharge when industrial core is active If you want better defensive capabilities when you're using the industrial core then I can safely say you're doing it wrong. Other ideas are invited. The Rorqual is a capital without offense, so I proposed increasing its defense in a non-permanent manner (while the core is active). As the Rorqual is immovable, it really needs some sort of defense if it is to be deployed on-grid, as CCP is moving towards on-grid boosting.
This idea really perks my interest from a game mechanic standpoint.
It always seemed a bit odd that the Rorqual has to be behind a POS shield to be effective. It would be interesting to see some game mechanics that encourages the use of the Rorqual outside of the POS bubble. |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1480
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Posted - 2013.01.14 01:18:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:The Rorqual is a capital without offense so, so wrong I find my Rorqual is quite vulnerable to a single carrier. At max skill, the Rorqual has the equivalent DPS of 10 drones, and it can only field two flights of heavy drones from its small drone bay, which isn't much threat to even a very small sub-cap gang, let alone a single carrier. The Rorqual as-is is really only adequate for dealing with belt rats. |
Celly Smunt
Viziam Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.01.14 03:23:00 -
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pretty much my reaction too since I know for a fact that if CCP found a rorqual in high sec they would move it to lowesec space, and I have the discussion with CCP to prove it :P
not that it wouldn't be awesome, but unless something seriously changes it's very unlikely to happen.
o/ Celly
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |
Celly Smunt
Viziam Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.01.14 03:43:00 -
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penhar wrote:
A T2 orca could have the following:
* 5 high slots with upto 4 ganglinks * larger drone bay upto 300 m2 * ability to house fighting ships in maimtance bay * 5 mid, 4 low's * mining bonus on par with rorqual
You can always justify a T2 variatant of a ship, it just depends on whether CCP agree with your vision.
and along the lines of all other T2 variants you'd lose a rig slot and in doing so lose cargo-hold space, currently with 2x T2 rig + 1 x T1 rig and max skills you get almost 101K m3 in there, by dropping the 3rd slot you effectively reduce the cargo-hold space by the amount it currently gains from the 3rd rig slot.
To be honest though, that would be way too OP for highsec in relation to it's t1 counterpart that it wouldn't be funny.
jmtc
o/ Celly
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |
Implying Implications
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
292
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Posted - 2013.01.14 04:11:00 -
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Why do hisec mining corps even exist? I can't think of something I'd rather not do more than that. püåpüÉpüàn+P |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
3271
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Posted - 2013.01.14 04:17:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:* 99% resists and enhanced shield boosting & capacitor recharge when industrial core is active If you want better defensive capabilities when you're using the industrial core then I can safely say you're doing it wrong. Other ideas are invited. The Rorqual is a capital without offense, so I proposed increasing its defense in a non-permanent manner (while the core is active). As the Rorqual is immovable, it really needs some sort of defense if it is to be deployed on-grid, as CCP is moving towards on-grid boosting. How about just make it so that the Rorqual doesn't have to be on-grid?
Removing OGB entirely is a bad idea anyway, and I doubt CCP has fully thought through the consequences of doing so.
A more acceptable nerf would be something along the lines of strongly increasing a ship's probing signature (probably by a combination of an increase in signature radius and decrease in sensor strength) while links are active, changing it so that ships simply have to be on-grid to broadcast targets instead of having to be able to lock them (kind of a dumb restriction to begin with), and disallow boosting within a certain range of POS shields. The last restriction would not apply to industrial links, however. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1480
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Posted - 2013.01.14 06:29:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:How about just make it so that the Rorqual doesn't have to be on-grid? The only module in EVE more useless than a Capital Tractor Beam I is a Capital Tractor Beam II.
Adding to that is the Rorqual's bonus to shield transporters, and bonuses to drones to take care of tougher nulsec rat spawns. Seems to imply the idea originally was to have a Rorqual on-grid. I think that's where CCP stopped thinking though.
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pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
1021
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Posted - 2013.01.14 07:23:00 -
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penhar wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:I feel for the miners in this game, but the last thing we need is to allow Rorqs into High sec. Mr Epeen Why not ? Their should be a T2 version of the orca and the Rorqual would work wonderfully in this role
because it is pretty good at what it does a fully skilled orca already gives a good bonus , a rorqual would bring the boost over the top combined with a large drone bay , a pretty good tank and a pretty good remote repping capability makes the rorqual just too good to be used as a high sec booster I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6342
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Posted - 2013.01.14 08:27:00 -
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also yeah hisec rorqs is a ridiculous idea
"CCP please give us access to the most powerful mining boosting ship, so we can drive its price up through the roof while keeping them in NPC corps where they're immune to wardecs or awoxing while permarunning range bonused capital shield reps to prevent our AFK macks from being suicide ganked. buffing what is basically legalized botting even further wouldn't be hilariously broken at all" ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
1024
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Posted - 2013.01.14 10:38:00 -
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Jason Xado wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:* 99% resists and enhanced shield boosting & capacitor recharge when industrial core is active If you want better defensive capabilities when you're using the industrial core then I can safely say you're doing it wrong. Other ideas are invited. The Rorqual is a capital without offense, so I proposed increasing its defense in a non-permanent manner (while the core is active). As the Rorqual is immovable, it really needs some sort of defense if it is to be deployed on-grid, as CCP is moving towards on-grid boosting. This idea really perks my interest from a game mechanic standpoint. It always seemed a bit odd that the Rorqual has to be behind a POS shield to be effective. It would be interesting to see some game mechanics that encourages the use of the Rorqual outside of the POS bubble. nobody will risk using a 3 bil ship outside the pos bubble , once your rorqual is deployed for max bonus you are helpless for the next 5 minutes and not even mentioning align time removing off grid boosters for mining aswell would be the end of the rorqual so i m curious about how they going to solve this I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Doddy
Dark-Rising
830
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Posted - 2013.01.14 10:44:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:* 99% resists and enhanced shield boosting & capacitor recharge when industrial core is active If you want better defensive capabilities when you're using the industrial core then I can safely say you're doing it wrong. Other ideas are invited. The Rorqual is a capital without offense, so I proposed increasing its defense in a non-permanent manner (while the core is active). As the Rorqual is immovable, it really needs some sort of defense if it is to be deployed on-grid, as CCP is moving towards on-grid boosting.
Thats all very well, but do you understand what 99% resists would entail?
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My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
92
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Posted - 2013.01.14 11:23:00 -
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Last thing we need in highsec is rorqual.
CCP gave newbies their shiny mining frig, and every newbie and his grandma is now stripping the belts. watch highsec mineral prices. Trit form 6 to 5, mex from 63 to 52, and i just don-¦t know why pye is still quite high. So please leave the rorq where it is. |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
44
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Posted - 2013.01.14 12:05:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:Jason Xado wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:* 99% resists and enhanced shield boosting & capacitor recharge when industrial core is active If you want better defensive capabilities when you're using the industrial core then I can safely say you're doing it wrong. Other ideas are invited. The Rorqual is a capital without offense, so I proposed increasing its defense in a non-permanent manner (while the core is active). As the Rorqual is immovable, it really needs some sort of defense if it is to be deployed on-grid, as CCP is moving towards on-grid boosting. This idea really perks my interest from a game mechanic standpoint. It always seemed a bit odd that the Rorqual has to be behind a POS shield to be effective. It would be interesting to see some game mechanics that encourages the use of the Rorqual outside of the POS bubble. nobody will risk using a 3 bil ship outside the pos bubble , once your rorqual is deployed for max bonus you are helpless for the next 5 minutes and not even mentioning align time removing off grid boosters for mining aswell would be the end of the rorqual so i m curious about how they going to solve this
You are correct that under the current game mechanics no one would risk it. So the question would be what would encourage use outside of a POS. |
Dave stark
1527
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Posted - 2013.01.14 12:11:00 -
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My Postman wrote:Trit form 6 to 5, trit isn't even remotely close to 5. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
March rabbit
Aliastra
478
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Posted - 2013.01.14 15:03:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:No. Leave your carebear heaven if you want to use it. hm? rorquals are already allowed in 0.0 space |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1480
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Posted - 2013.01.14 18:23:00 -
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Doddy wrote:Thats all very well, but do you understand what 99% resists would entail? As the Rorqual is an immovable target when deployed, with no effective offense / defense unlike a sieged dread or triaged carrier, the high resists (and shield & cap bonuses I suggested) would hopefully give time for a response fleet to assemble, and encourage use of the Rorqual outside of POS force fields by discouraging less serious attackers.
I don't imagine there will be fleets of battle Rorquals on gird in deployed mode, as once their limited drones are depeleted, they are completely harmless. They don't even have comparable capacitor, or bonused amount shield transporters like a triage carrier. However, they may become bait ships, which I don't have a problem with.
If you had something else in mind, please enlighten me. |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
3278
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Posted - 2013.01.14 18:31:00 -
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Jason Xado wrote:You are correct that under the current game mechanics no one would risk it. So the question would be what would encourage use outside of a POS. There's no way to buff the Rorqual to encourage deployment outside of POS shields without making it completely broken. It doesn't matter how much defense you give them, people will still kill them when they go into deployment. Frankly all that's going to happen if you do something stupid like give it 99% resists is it'll cease to be an industrial command ship and become supercapital bait.
...which actually doesn't sound all that bad anymore... Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
No Alibi
Shadow Brokers
22
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:02:00 -
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One more hi slot, more bonus to cargo per level, and a bit more CPU for large shield transporters.... and the Orca would be perfect where it is... HI SEC!. Rorquals also have that clone bay, You wouldn't want MORE little carebears flying around ? LOL. I fly by the seat of my pants, No wonder my-áass is always on fire! |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
701
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Posted - 2013.01.15 20:47:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Grimpak wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:The Rorqual is a capital without offense so, so wrong I find my Rorqual is quite vulnerable to a single carrier. At max skill, the Rorqual has the equivalent DPS of 10 drones, and it can only field two flights of heavy drones from its small drone bay, which isn't much threat to even a very small sub-cap gang, let alone a single carrier. The Rorqual as-is is really only adequate for dealing with belt rats. it makes excellent bait for small roving gangs tho. many a one fell to such a trap. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
60
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Posted - 2013.01.15 22:45:00 -
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The rorqual was semi recently buffed. The orca was created as a highsec capable version of the rorqual. The rorqual is not the t2 solution to the orca, the orca is the solution to the rorqual not being able to enter highsec.
You're welcome for clarifying your misunderstanding. /thread. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2106
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Posted - 2013.01.15 23:25:00 -
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Implying Implications wrote:Why do hisec mining corps even exist? I can't think of something I'd rather not do more than that.
You wouldn't understand.
You just go where they tell you and posture in local like they tell you. I'm sure the thought of thinking for yourself makes you feel faint and weak in the knees.
Mr Epeen
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