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Malcorian Vandsteidt
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.16 00:57:00 -
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Make the Rorq Available for Use in highsec, I mean its an Industrial ship.... What is the purpose of restricting it to 0.0 and lowsec where it is rarely if ever used? I've played eve for 10 years and been all over 0.0, and I think I've seen maybe 5 in 10 years actually being used. CVA uses one so does -7-, Pandemic used one, and I've seen razors. But each of these allaince only ever have 1 Rorq it seems, and I have only ever seen 1 in lowsec. Parked at a POS.
This ship is great and it needs to see more use allow for it to be used in Highsec so it can get the love it deserves.
Personally I would love to have one of these, and my indy character can fly one, but I never have a reason to buy him one as when I am in a 0.0 Allaince they have a RoRq pilot and don't need more then 1. And there is really no point to them in lowsec unless your a large lowsec allaince which does industry (yea lols fat chance).
So in my opinion, it needs to be retooled for Highsec Use. Or hell keep it the way it is and remove the restriction off it. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2013.01.16 01:11:00 -
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Remove insurance. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
955
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Posted - 2013.01.16 01:47:00 -
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Sure, but if you can take your caps into highsec, then I can hotdrop you with dreads. |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.01.16 03:09:00 -
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Empire by and large has at least 1 station per system to drop off ore....low and null the rorq can compress for prolonged mining ops in stationless systems. Why its not needed in empire. If orca is not good enough, bring 2 of them lol.
Was the 1 parked rorq in low sec wating for cans worth its time or did you watch a system for hours with miners in 0.0?
I was in a 0.0 corp with a moderately decent mining base. You rarely saw the rorqs in the wild because here is what they did. Tthe hulks can mined and the rorq would come out every now and then to clean the cans once worth the effort. Then back off to the safe pos. Why have a cap be a sitting duck for a drive by roam with just one bubbler. Grab the cans and gtfo.
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Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
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Posted - 2013.01.16 03:12:00 -
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On the rorqual in general, they should be able to boost without deploying. On rorquals in high sec, bots want to come play too! Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2013.01.16 03:32:00 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:Empire by and large has at least 1 station per system to drop off ore....low and null the rorq can compress for prolonged mining ops in stationless systems. Why its not needed in empire. If orca is not good enough, bring 2 of them lol.
Was the 1 parked rorq in low sec wating for cans worth its time or did you watch a system for hours with miners in 0.0?
I was in a 0.0 corp with a moderately decent mining base. You rarely saw the rorqs in the wild because here is what they did. Tthe hulks can mined and the rorq would come out every now and then to clean the cans once worth the effort. Then back off to the safe pos. Why have a cap be a sitting duck for a drive by roam with just one bubbler. Grab the cans and gtfo.
Theres a lot of regions now days with stationless highsec systems, Hell there 2 right next to arera just 5 jumps out of amarr. and 4 around that one pipe into CVA space.
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Malcorian Vandsteidt
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2013.01.16 03:34:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:On the rorqual in general, they should be able to boost without deploying. On rorquals in high sec, bots want to come play too!
well i mean Bots will be around anyway, and they use orcas, so I mean I dont think it really matters, should let bots stop the rest of us from enjoying the game simply because they take advantage of things.
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Kitt JT
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda
177
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Posted - 2013.01.16 05:22:00 -
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Its threads like this that really require eve forums to have a facepalm emote.
In lieu of that however:
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Malcorian Vandsteidt
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2013.01.16 05:44:00 -
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Some of the dumbest threads in Eve made Eve what it is today once the ideas were implimented, It's people like you that remind me of religious fanatics who scream ITS TEH DEVIL, at an inovative technology.
While the US gives you the right to believe whatever the hell you want, Keep your backwater opinions in your village. If I want to learn how to throw a spear I'll come see you. |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
282
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Posted - 2013.01.16 06:30:00 -
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Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: I mean its an Industrial ship.... What is the purpose of restricting it to 0.0 and lowsec where it is rarely if ever used?
But each of these allaince only ever have 1 Rorq it seems, and I have only ever seen 1 in lowsec. Parked at a POS.
This ship is great and it needs to see more use allow for it to be used in Highsec so it can get the love it deserves.
Personally I would love to have one of these, but I never have a reason to buy him one
a 0.0 Allaince they have a RoRq pilot and don't need more then 1
And there is really no point to them in lowsec unless your a large lowsec allaince which does industry (yea lols fat chance).
really, youve already answered your own questions. and you havent given an explanation of why you think it needs to change. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
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Super spikinator
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2013.01.16 06:37:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Sure, but if you can take your caps into highsec, then I can hotdrop you with dreads.
The best thing is that I think if you bring a guardian network and some triage carriers you might be able to keep a few titans parked in Jita for a very long time. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
958
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Posted - 2013.01.16 11:10:00 -
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Super spikinator wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Sure, but if you can take your caps into highsec, then I can hotdrop you with dreads. The best thing is that I think if you bring a guardian network and some triage carriers you might be able to keep a few titans parked in Jita for a very long time.
Doomsdaying war target jump freighters on the undock |
Luis Graca
181
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:03:00 -
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Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:What is the purpose of restricting it to 0.0 and lowsec where it is rarely if ever used? I've played eve for 10 years and been all over 0.0, and I think I've seen maybe 5 in 10 years actually being used.
You have been looking in the wrong places i have seen tons of them in 0.0, for obvious reason they are inside POS shields but they are being used.
Also the bigger bonus should go to risky places in this case rorqual to 0.0/low-sec and orca to high-sec
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1055
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:10:00 -
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Came thinking this might be an interesting thread. Realized it was another Malcorian feature request.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
439
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:15:00 -
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Yes because High sec OBVIOUSLY needs a buff.....
Bears... |
Astroniomix
Thorn Project
367
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:58:00 -
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Stop posting. |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
89
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:08:00 -
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The whole point is to have something that eases mining away from infrastructure. By compressing ore out in the boonies, you can mine more without having to refine everything. There's stations with refineries everywhere in empire, so there would be no benefit.
Besides you already have the orca. That's a perfectly fine mining oversight ship. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1011
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:32:00 -
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If you get to bring your rorqual into highsec then I want to bring my dreads and carriers.
I'm sure you'll agree it's only fair. |
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:56:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:If you get to bring your rorqual into highsec then I want to bring my dreads and carriers.
I'm sure you'll agree it's only fair.
No, because the rorq is an Industrial Platform, not a comabt ship.
A carrier and Dread are combat only ships.
HOWEVER:
I am not Opposed to all caps being allowed back in high sec with the exception of Titans. Eve used to be like this, Then people started Abusing it. So CCP Restricted capitals to 0.0 and Lowsec.
You can't really Abuse a Rorq, Just like you really can't abuse an Orca, The only reason It isn't allowed in Highsec is because it was restricted because it is a "Capital". If it was reclassified as a Command Ship like the Orca, it would be allowed in Highsec. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
13574
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:59:00 -
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Astroniomix wrote:Stop posting. And lose all that entertainment? Example.
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:I am not Opposed to all caps being allowed back in high sec with the exception of Titans. Eve used to be like this, Then people started Abusing it. So CCP Restricted capitals to 0.0 and Lowsec. You couldn't make this stuff up.
No, please never stop posting.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
1826
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Posted - 2013.01.16 21:08:00 -
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Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:You can't really Abuse a Rorq, Just like you really can't abuse an Orca, My Rorqual's 3 remote shield reps (which repair about 4500 hp every 5 seconds), large drone bay (pumping out about 500 to 600 DPS), and massive wall of EHP (about 800k to 1 million) disagree with you. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
13575
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Posted - 2013.01.16 21:09:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:You can't really Abuse a Rorq, Just like you really can't abuse an Orca, My Rorqual's 3 remote shield reps (which repair about 4500 hp every 5 seconds), large drone bay (pumping out about 500 to 600 DPS), and massive wall of EHP disagree with you. Now, now, ShahFluffers, let's not have any of those facts in this thread thank you very much.
(Your name always makes me laugh btw)
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1011
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Posted - 2013.01.16 21:51:00 -
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Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:If you get to bring your rorqual into highsec then I want to bring my dreads and carriers.
I'm sure you'll agree it's only fair. No, because the rorq is an Industrial Platform, not a comabt ship. A carrier and Dread are combat only ships. HOWEVER: I am not Opposed to all caps being allowed back in high sec with the exception of Titans. Eve used to be like this, Then people started Abusing it. So CCP Restricted capitals to 0.0 and Lowsec. You can't really Abuse a Rorq, Just like you really can't abuse an Orca, The only reason It isn't allowed in Highsec is because it was restricted because it is a "Capital". If it was reclassified as a Command Ship like the Orca, it would be allowed in Highsec. An NPC corp character compressing ore for someone completely immune to risk is an abuse in my opinion. And there have been a massive number of instances of people abusing orcas in the past to the point where CCP had to make changes to how their hangers work.
Moreover why should a combat ship not be allowed and an industrial ship be allowed? Last time I checked sub-capital combat ships are allowed in the same spaces as industrial ships, if they weren't nobody would have a hulk on their killboard. |
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2013.01.17 08:52:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Astroniomix wrote:Stop posting. And lose all that entertainment? Example. Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:I am not Opposed to all caps being allowed back in high sec with the exception of Titans. Eve used to be like this, Then people started Abusing it. So CCP Restricted capitals to 0.0 and Lowsec. You couldn't make this stuff up. No, please never stop posting.
Look it up Titans used to sit on stations and Doomsday Noobs 9Doomsdays used to be AOE. Just ask around instead of believing your assumptions are automatically correct. Chribba does not have several dreads in Highsec for no reason. |
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2013.01.17 08:54:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:You can't really Abuse a Rorq, Just like you really can't abuse an Orca, My Rorqual's 3 remote shield reps (which repair about 4500 hp every 5 seconds), large drone bay (pumping out about 500 to 600 DPS), and massive wall of EHP (about 800k to 1 million) disagree with you.
You can get certain battleships that high if you really wanted to (Or relitively close around 500,000 - 600,000 which is still carrier sized, not to mention the proteus cruiser).
But they are still in Highsec. Compared to those the rorq would just be another addition to the lot.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
13578
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:02:00 -
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Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:Mag's wrote:Astroniomix wrote:Stop posting. And lose all that entertainment? Example. Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:I am not Opposed to all caps being allowed back in high sec with the exception of Titans. Eve used to be like this, Then people started Abusing it. So CCP Restricted capitals to 0.0 and Lowsec. You couldn't make this stuff up. No, please never stop posting. Look it up Titans used to sit on stations and Doomsday Noobs 9Doomsdays used to be AOE. Just ask around instead of believing your assumptions are automatically correct. Chribba does not have several dreads in Highsec for no reason. Super capitals came along, long after the ban to Capitals in high sec. Chribba is also well known for 1 dread in Amarr, called the Veldnaught. Very few Capitals are in High sec and it's the very first few able to be produced there. Some have since been moved to low/null, so I'm not now sure of the actual count.
I'm starting to doubt, you've even been here for 10 years tbh.
But please, don't stop posting.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
1827
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:30:00 -
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Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:You can get certain battleships that high if you really wanted to (Or relitively close around 500,000 - 600,000 which is still carrier sized, not to mention the proteus cruiser). Except you need to gimp such ships in almost all other aspects to get that kind of EHP out of them. And such ships usually do not have a large massive local tank complimenting the EHP either.
You're also seem to be forgetting about the remote repair bonuses the Rorqual has... and how they can be used in conjunction with capital energy transfer arrays to create almost infinite tanks with other Rorquals.
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:Not to mention the RORQ takes more skills then a damn Dreadnaught to fly So does a carrier. Maybe we should let them into high-sec as well. It's not like anyone will use them for anything other than hauling ships.
/sarcasm
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:(And most are industrial so it would be REALLY inconvienient and well.. ********/stupid... for a combat player to bother training for one when there are better options in highsec). Hello. Apparently I'm stupid, trained one of my alts to use a Rorqual, and fit it for combat and logistical support. Despite my apparent lapse in judgement, it does its job very nicely (hauling around, setting up and defending POSs) and can swat away most sub-capitals that try to engage it.
If something gives enough of an advantage for a certain situation... people will use it for such. Even if it's not clearly designed to perform that role. Especially so if there is an absence of anything else that is as good... skill points be damned.
Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:So yea I dont see many people abusing it. because you can get into one of the BS's which are infinitely better for combat in a quarter of the time it would take you to get into a rorq, not to mention they would be 3x Cheaper to buy and replace. What battleship can provide remote repairs at the rate I provided above and soak up punishment just as easily while still being able to perform an offensive role?
That's why people would use it. I would LOVE to use my Rorq to RR a friendly on station against a hostile force. Inexperienced players would be powerless to take on people like me (to a degree they can't come close to matching). Plus... I would have the added bonus of not worrying about random neutral players and their forces ruining my fun (as I would have to in low-sec). Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:30:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:
Look it up Titans used to sit on stations and Doomsday Noobs 9Doomsdays used to be AOE. Just ask around instead of believing your assumptions are automatically correct. Chribba does not have several dreads in Highsec for no reason.
Super capitals came along after the initial ban to Capitals in high sec and cannot be built in stations, only in 0.0. A few also got in when Incarna was released (through a glitch) but they were all taken out, and could never dock. Chribba is also well known for 1 dread in Amarr, called the Veldnaught. Very few Capitals are in High sec and those there are the very first few able to be produced before the ban. Some have since been moved to low/null, so I'm not now sure of the actual count. I'm starting to doubt, you've even been here for 10 years tbh. Ebay? But please, don't stop posting. Edit: Chribba post for clarification. Chribba wrote:Dreads could be built as following: June 2005 -> December 2005: 0.0 - 1.0 December 2005 -> September 2007: 0.0 - 0.7 September 2007 -> Present: 0.0 - 0.4 Carriers could be built as following: December 2005 -> September 2007: 0.0 - 0.7 September 2007 -> Present: 0.0 - 0.4 Roqual could be built as following: August 28th 2007 -> September 3rd 2007: 0.0 - 0.7 (Note though that NONE of these ships could ever be completed on time and was moved to low-sec) September 2007 -> Present: 0.0 - 0.4 Supercarriers(Motherships) and titans could be built as following: December 2005 -> Present: 0.0 only Any dread appearing in 0.8-1.0 after December 16, 2005 (RMR) is not a legal ship. Any capital created/appearing in high-sec after September 3rd, 2007 (Revelations 2.2) is not a legal ship. Any carrier appearing in 0.8 or above is not a legal ship. Any Rorqual appearing in high-sec is not a legal ship. Any supercap appearing in 0.5 or above is not a legal ship. Quote:2007.09.03 16:03 Hi, Your corporation owned a large ship assembly array in high security space. As it is not intended for these arrays to be available in high security, they are now being removed. As such, the array has been unanchored, and the Rorqual in production (due 2007.09.09 12:07) has been canceled. In order to retrieve the ship, please file a stuck petition after this point and we will give you the ship in a low security empire system of your choosing. We apologise for the inconvenience. The EVE Online Customer Support Team /c
You just basically repeated what I already stated, I simply didn't elaborate on the specific occurrences and times.
Also, if you already knew all of this then why the hell did you post that one that I originally replied to implying I was full of ****?
Troll Much? |
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:36:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:You can get certain battleships that high if you really wanted to (Or relitively close around 500,000 - 600,000 which is still carrier sized, not to mention the proteus cruiser). Except you need to gimp such ships in almost all other aspects to get that kind of EHP out of them. And such ships usually do not have a large massive local tank complimenting the EHP either. You're also seem to be forgetting about the remote repair bonuses the Rorqual has... and how they can be used in conjunction with capital energy transfer arrays to create almost infinite tanks with other Rorquals. Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:Not to mention the RORQ takes more skills then a damn Dreadnaught to fly [/quote[ So does a carrier. Maybe we should let them into high-sec as well. It's not like anyone will use them for anything other hauling ships. /sarcasm Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote:(And most are industrial so it would be REALLY inconvienient and well.. ********/stupid... for a combat player to bother training for one when there are better options in highsec). Hello. Apparently I'm stupid, trained one of my alts to use a Rorqual, and fit it for combat and logistical support. Despite my apparent lapse in judgement, it does its job very nicely (hauling around, setting up and defending POSs) and can swat away most sub-capitals that try to engage it. If something gives enough of an advantage for a certain situation... people will use it for such. Even if it's not clearly designed to perform that role. Especially so if there is an absence of anything else that is as good... skill points be damned. [quote=Malcorian Vandsteidt]So yea I dont see many people abusing it. because you can get into one of the BS's which are infinitely better for combat in a quarter of the time it would take you to get into a rorq, not to mention they would be 3x Cheaper to buy and replace. What battleship can provide remote repairs at the rate I provided above and soak up punishment just as easily while still being able to perform an offensive role? That's why people would use it. I would LOVE to use my Rorq to RR a friendly on station against a hostile force. Inexperienced players would be powerless to take on people like me (to a degree they can't come close to matching). Plus... I would have the added bonus of not worrying about random neutral players and their forces ruining my fun (as I would have to in low-sec).
1. Um.... You can't rep stations in highsec...
2. You'd be surprised how experienced the highsec players are, many of us have lived in 0.0 and lowsec for years, we just basically "retired" to highsec.
3. If you meant POS by station, the only highsec pos's are Industrial or Research, and very few are ever attacked, it isn't like 0.0 where every POS you see that isn't yours you try to kill.
4. The BS's can't provide "Capital" remote reps this is true, Also 600 DPS is less then a battle cruiser (And most battle cruisers can easily tank this with no help), So.. Yea not a huge threat. And your remote reps would be much use if you have no capacity and people use Pirate ships like the Bahl for PvP A LOT more in highsec then 0.0, IN addition you'd be suprised how many pvpers in highsec fit their utility highslots with Neuts.
So.. your remote reps might not be repping anything and you might die a lot faster then you think.
But hey, If you have 6 Billion isk to blow on a combat Rorq, more power to you. |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:36:00 -
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It has the highest capability of ruining high sec mining because of it's ability to compress ore and therefore mine for hours undisturbed. That is why unlike the orca it is confined to places where it is vulnerable to attack, now would you kindly leave the forums carebear? |
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