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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.06.27 07:35:00 -
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Eh, if it came to it I'd like alts removed completely, but removing that (unlikely) option, they could at least increase the ridiculously short recycle time. Up it to a few weeks, and make it so if you log on to an alt while it's on the biomass queue the countdown is restarted. That stops people from recycling for suicide kessie gank-squads and the like. And I can't think of ONE realistic, proper reason why somebody would need to create a new alt after creating 3 in a hurry. ----------------
Haha, stupid monkey! Now I'VE got the Oscar! Enjoy your worthless gun! |
Oron
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Posted - 2005.06.27 07:46:00 -
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i dont like alts but you cant take them away after sutch long time so: no
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Bozse
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Posted - 2005.06.27 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Bubba Fett I'd love to see alts gone. I have alts and use them for some stuff that I wouldn't risk my main for, but I'd be happy to get rid of them if they took them out of the game. Perhaps they could transfer half the alt's skill points to the main character so all the training time wouldn't be wasted to compensate people for the loss of their characters.
It seems like the main reason to have alts is to avoid consequences. Alts doing suicide ganks in high sec, alts doing corp thefts, alts doing scams, the list goes on and on.
Sure, some people make hauler or industrial alts, but you could add those skills to your main and all you'd lose would be the basic skill points you got when you created your alt.
I think alts take more away from the game than they add.
So u'r saying that on my other account where i have one 24m SP char and one 9m SP char i would have to lose 4,5m SP, not going to happen and if it would ccp would lose so many customers that they wouldn't know what hit them.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.06.27 07:54:00 -
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Quote: So u'r saying that on my other account where i have one 24m SP char and one 9m SP char i would have to lose 4,5m SP, not going to happen and if it would ccp would lose so many customers that they wouldn't know what hit them.
Ugh, I hate that 'argument'. Do you think CCP are really so shallow that they base the welfare of the game below trying to get as many people playing (and paying) as possible? If they did, EVE would be a WoW clone. If they did, they wouldn't be removing instas and increasing log-off timer. If they did, EVE would have been dead a year ago.
While I (grudgingly) agree that it's too late to remove alts after people have trained them up, they should really stop the unaccountability and alt spammage. Massively increase the recycle time and make all alts linked (ie, you can see who is whom's alt) to the main would be a good move. ----------------
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.06.27 08:10:00 -
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Only way they can remove alts is to make the game stop accepting new ones.
I know quite a few people who's trained up alts on other accounts, then transfered them to their main account when they can do what they are supposed to do.
Ynay? -- If TC causes you discomfort that you feel is unwarranted or may be outside TC's current contract - contact me, please. |
Bozse
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Posted - 2005.06.27 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
Quote: So u'r saying that on my other account where i have one 24m SP char and one 9m SP char i would have to lose 4,5m SP, not going to happen and if it would ccp would lose so many customers that they wouldn't know what hit them.
Ugh, I hate that 'argument'. Do you think CCP are really so shallow that they base the welfare of the game below trying to get as many people playing (and paying) as possible? If they did, EVE would be a WoW clone. If they did, they wouldn't be removing instas and increasing log-off timer. If they did, EVE would have been dead a year ago.
While I (grudgingly) agree that it's too late to remove alts after people have trained them up, they should really stop the unaccountability and alt spammage. Massively increase the recycle time and make all alts linked (ie, you can see who is whom's alt) to the main would be a good move.
Im not saying that there is no issues with alts in general i was mearly pointing out a big hole in he's sollution with the alts that are trained, and alot of people will leave the game if ccp starts to remove/only allowing 50% of the SP to be transfered thus taking away the time spent and payed for to get those SP.
And i know that they are not in to the whole "lets get 1m subscribers and be rich" mentality but i do think they would lose to much by getting rid of trained alts that are in game atm.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.06.27 08:32:00 -
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Boo... I like my alts. Only thing they actually do is hold two corporations for me. They don't even really ever undock. Both those corps were actually once active, now all that remain are my two alts.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.06.27 08:48:00 -
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I vote NO.
I would vote yes, if there was a way to work around your corp history with your main. If the reputation system would be more flexible reputation and history could be sufficient to provide acountability. As it is, too many peiople are simply too narrow minded for this to work like it is. _______________________________________________
Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues. |
Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.06.27 08:50:00 -
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What'd happen to the Alt Factory then!
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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AlexK100
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Posted - 2005.06.27 08:52:00 -
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no ffs
Please use old threads unless you have some NEW idea.
PS I vote for temporary forum bans for whinners
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.06.27 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: AlexK100 no ffs
Please use old threads unless you have some NEW idea.
PS I vote for temporary forum bans for whinners
I vote for permenant everything bans for alts. ---
So, what was that you fed me? Battery acid, mostly. That must be why I feel charged up! Ho ho! Actually, you'll just die. ...oh. |
hired goon
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Posted - 2005.06.27 09:14:00 -
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I agree with a permanent everything ban for alts. ------------
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2005.06.27 09:51:00 -
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There's a difference between alts used on the forums to be a general ass to alts used as industrial characters, for hauling, or to deliver stuff from empire to a character with a low security status.
Alts do have their uses, it's just the gomers that feel the need to smack without involving their main is the problem.
Most of the posts out there that are either started by an alt, or are contributed to by an alt end up being locked due to generally bad behavior.
I don't mind alts ingame for industrial stuff, but I wish there was a way to limit alt posting to only the buy/sell forums so people don't use a locator agent to find you after you've bought a 6 billion isk ship or a 3 billion isk module.
Just my two cents.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.06.27 10:13:00 -
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I vote for removal of the alts. Why does everyone think they deserve the right to experience everything?
The game would be so much better if people could no longer be their own miners, producers, traders, haulers, fighters, agentrunners and scouts at the same time.
Eve already has a great skillsystem allowing you to switch trades. The only thing it would need it to swap attributes for lots of ISK.
I think the most important reason why people don't like the idea of removal of alts is because they already have millions of skillpoints in those.
Perhaps if CCP would come with some sort of one time relocation system of skillpoints between characters the transistion would be a lot less painful.
The only issue would be with the people with multiple accounts, but I can live with that I guess.
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Naos Zapatero
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Posted - 2005.06.27 10:14:00 -
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Agreed, but nothing will ever be done about it its too late now. EVE would have been so much better without them.
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Matrix Aran
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Posted - 2005.06.27 10:21:00 -
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Um no. Keep them. Enough said.
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Sha Dar
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Posted - 2005.06.27 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Sha Dar on 27/06/2005 12:55:30 No.
If people want to play with two account they should be able to, and besides, do you really think with EVE being the niche game it is, that CCP are going to close down hundreds of paying account for no good reason.. ?
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2005.06.27 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: McBane Ok, prolly a bit of a touchy one this, but IÆm interested to know the general opinion on this subject.
IÆm against Alts in Eve and think they should be removed û despite using them myself û because I think they take away from the game more than they bring to it.
Without going into detail, the following are the key general reasons why I think Alts should be removedà
- They remove character accountability.
- They provide a way for a character to circumvent in game rules and mechanisms.
- They remove risk from a character.
Basically, I view Alts as one big Eve exploit.
As far as I am aware the only reason CCP made Alts part of Eve was for the purpose of corp espionage. While this is a valid use I think that there could be many other ways of introducing corp espionage without introducing all the problems Alts bring to Eve.
Before voting, please assume that If Alts were removed, CCP would provide some form of compensation to those whom have highly skilled Alts û for example, transferring them to a new account with 1 month free per 1mil SP.
I am also aware of issues such as trial and second accounts, but these issues are far from the level of Alts as there is already restrictions / money involved which reduce the extent of the Alt like uses for them.
So, remove Alts from Eve? Yay or Nay?
WTF over.... This is a dead horse, so dead their is no meat left on it. Alts or in proper terms Characters 1,2,and 3 are there for a reason.
Dont like projictile guns...try lasers with you Amarr Alt. Character one is pure combat, but you need a BPO researched? Log onto Character #2
feel like a jerk today? Log onto character #3 and go PK..
Sombody must have been riped off by a alt.....
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.06.27 14:03:00 -
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Quote: I vote for stop posting the same stupid threads over and over again. If you don't know what these are, sign up any of my exciting courses, just send me 100 Mil ISK and I'lll enroll you:
101 - Alts and their Non-Impact on Society 102 - Jet Can Mining, Ore Thieves and You 103 - I WAS PK'D (And nobody cares) 104 - THE EVIL BOOKMARKS. How even the complainers use em. 105 - Eternal Newb 106 - Insincere "Thank you CCP" Threads - The real story. 107 - Level 4 Missions and Economics 108 - OMG BOOKMARKS AGAIN. 109 - Dumb Polls that like 5 People reply to not counting the 5 or so that make fun of the poll.
Generally the threads have a topic. That topic will give clues as to what the thread is about. If that topic pertains to anything on your list, simply do not click on it. There, your problem is solved.
Now stop whining... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!" |
Ob Noxious
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Posted - 2005.06.27 14:06:00 -
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While in some part I agree that alts are abused, I must also say that it would mean my death if they were removed.
I do not roam around and cause grief to the general populace, but I do perform a certain amount of Intelligence work when required. This alone makes me very useful.
If alts were removed, my death would be fairly painless since I don't have lots of skill points as yet, but, on the other hand if alts were removed I would simply appear on another account and still be in the game to perform my given tasks.
So, I have mixed feelings about this discussion.
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Alttastic
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Posted - 2005.06.27 14:07:00 -
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You can't remove me, I have 10 kids to feed.
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2005.06.27 14:14:00 -
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I am not an Alt, at least I was not born that way. I was the main character on this account till my owner seen a Min BS and said "Gawd that is ugly!!!" So I became an alt...
I do get to go out once and awhile and harrass some Amarr skunk. Maybe one day my cheap arse owner will fess up another $15 and buy a second account, and transfer me to there...
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missedme
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Posted - 2005.06.27 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Alttastic You can't remove me, I have 10 kids to feed.
And your late with the child support payments...
Get off the idea, we alts are here to stay - I am used a lot sometimes more then my masters main.
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Sanaen Eydanwadh
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Posted - 2005.06.27 15:10:00 -
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I would be 200% for removing alts, but it's not going to happen... And all alts are not just "disposable characters", some are "secondary mains" or so, so no way I guess.
But (old thread, so let's bring back old propositions), what about "declaring" alts on you info screen, in a header in our bios maybe? just declaring all characters names on the same account, problem 90% solved... some people wouldn't like this (you can enjoy using another character without being convo'ed by all your "main"'s friend or something alike), but I don't think this would be a serious problem...
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Ebil Fred
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:24:00 -
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Uses for alts
1) What about us forum warriors. Some of us are banned by our corps from posting with our mains.
2) A main that is a law abiding citizen of Eve and an alt thats an ore theif / pirate / escrow scammer. Tell me how you could integrate those professions.
3) Always away from home fighting with your main?? Why not have an alt that you log on to make trades then log off and log main back on to continue the gate camp or whatever??
4) Same as 3 but to tend the labs / factories. After all we have to make money to pay for the combat ships don't we.
5) Been here a while and got a lot of experience? Maybe you want to pass on some of that knowledge and experience. Make an alt and sit in noob corp chatting to noob pilots.
Me? Options 1 and 5 I dont have any skills past the ones I got when I was created. my main has been here a looong time and sometime I'm sure I'll be recycled to allow another just like me to see some more new faces in a different noob corp.
Any other suggestions for jobs an alt can have?
Cheers
EF
PS soz for slightly long post but the "ban the alts threads" are a recurring theme apparently normally brought on by someone getting ripped off and assuming its an alt.
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Skeeve
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:50:00 -
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I'd vote NAY.. with a provisio.... make alts ACCOUNTABLE.. i.e. no more of this I have a "good guy" for regular play and a "scamming alt" so I can screwwith people .. Make all a players alts show up on your Bio.. Solves a lot of needless pain... The only ones who disagree are the ones who take advantage of others and have something to hide. MAKE ALTS ACCOUNTABLE!! "SHOW US YOUR HOOTERS!" - traditional greeting at the Annual Owl Fanciers Convention
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Khargos
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:52:00 -
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let thread die plz kthnx bye.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.06.27 19:21:00 -
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Quote: WTF over.... This is a dead horse, so dead their is no meat left on it. Alts or in proper terms Characters 1,2,and 3 are there for a reason.
Dont like projictile guns...try lasers with you Amarr Alt. Character one is pure combat, but you need a BPO researched? Log onto Character #2
feel like a jerk today? Log onto character #3 and go PK..
Sombody must have been riped off by a alt.....
1. It takes just as long to train up laser guns on a Minmatar character as it does on an Amarr one.
2. You won't have learning skills or general gunnery skills on your Amarr alt so it'll actually take LONGER to train on the alt.
3. How is 'I don't want to be accountable for my actions and be a jerk' ANY kind of valid argument!? Seriously, do you expect to be able to put a mask on in real life and go punch people in the face and not be accountable for that? Do you expect or want other people to go don a similar mask and do the same to you? Because that's what an alt is.
Being a jerk is a big part of EVE. Escrow scamming, ore thievery, corp theft, etc, are all good things I personally wouldn't want removed. However, NONE of these take ANY risk to do with alts. You are completely unaccountable for your actions. Nobody can get revenge. It's all reward, no risk, which I shouldn't have to point out is seriously ****** up.
There is no good argument for the removal of alts besides those people who have already spent time training them up.
Training - it takes longer to train on an alt than it does on a main. You also don't lose anything by training with your main. This is a retarded argument.
Roleplaying - frankly, if you feel your roleplay is stifled by the race you are, you're not very inventive OR imaginitive. There are Minmatar religious fanatics, Caldari freedom lovers, etc.
Being a jerk - you call this an argument!?
Accountability and responsibility are the two most important parts of any modern society. Without them, everybody is merely looking out for themselves, because they have nothing to lose by doing so.
Bring accountability into the game, CCP, whichever way you want. Removing alts, showing 'family' ties, whatever. But for the love of god, just DO IT! ---
So, what was that you fed me? Battery acid, mostly. That must be why I feel charged up! Ho ho! Actually, you'll just die. ...oh. |
McBane
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Posted - 2005.06.27 20:02:00 -
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lol, so that's an overall Nay then - with a lil ole bit hostility of the topic chucked in to give that forum authenticity!
CCP are bound to remove'um now then! lol
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.06.27 20:15:00 -
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I think 2nd accounts are an exploit, you dont see me *****ing.
Its the way these guys from iceland earn more lettuce and they're not giving it up. I've never seen forum whining make some sane(this is arguable though) people willfully forfeit their revenue. ---------------
Originally by: Dark Shikari "One Trit to rule them all, One Trit to find them, One Trit to bring them all, and in the veldspar bind them"
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