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Lig Lira
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Posted - 2005.06.27 21:29:00 -
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The sum of SP across my 3 alts is about 27mil, let me put that all into one character and you can get rid of alts.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2005.06.27 21:48:00 -
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Accountability is a very important aspect in any persistent world, especially one that involves PvP.
For this reason, I support the removal of alts, but since I'm certain that won't happen, I instead support making some way for players to automatically know what characters are run by the same player.
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Knukalz
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Posted - 2005.06.27 21:54:00 -
[63]
Yay.
It will **** off a lot of people to start, but once they stop crying, Eve will be a better game.
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:28:00 -
[64]
nay i use all my alts contantly and have them all trained, i only call this my main because it was my first character
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gameforce
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Posted - 2005.06.27 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: gameforce on 27/06/2005 23:33:09 No way 0mg h4xors i quit eve if they gonna remove my army of alts
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NanoRunner
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Posted - 2005.06.27 23:34:00 -
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They need to go, but it is too late. How do you compensate someone for the training done on alts of an account? Possibly give them a big surge of SP to place where they want i guess.
Agian alts break this game and many of it core concepts, but this mistake prolly cant be reversed now.
At the least they should make all alts share a last name, and share sec rating.
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Dakath
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Posted - 2005.06.28 01:26:00 -
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Alts. Yes, IF the player can pick which ones go and transfer all skill points to his main, on the skills of his choice.
Multiple accounts?
Multiple accounts mean multiple payments to CCP. Real. Life. Money.
CCP guys have families to feed just like the rest of us.
Multiple accounts are here to stay, forever. Get used to it.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2005.06.28 02:49:00 -
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Like I've said before, have it be one of the requirements for transmuting a character to jove, forfeit alts.
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aeti
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Posted - 2005.06.28 02:52:00 -
[69]
remove alts: no expose alts: yes
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Rayisa
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Posted - 2005.06.28 03:26:00 -
[70]
Nay...
I have Multiple Personality Syndrome...
Ray is my main, only cause she is cuteist.
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Aleis
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Posted - 2005.06.28 03:50:00 -
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although i hate people htat exploit them via Alt thievs, they have a lot of respectable uses and it's to late to change anyhow, You can bet every one that runs a starbase has an alt logged there just so they can run them.
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Nathaniel Stark
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Posted - 2005.06.28 09:42:00 -
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As several posters have mentioned, Alts have legitimate uses, enabling players to try out aspects of the game that they are unwilling or unable to experience with their mains. Also, now that Alts have been ingame for so long, and many players have Alt characters with hefty skillpoint totals, it would be pretty hard to take away Alts witout a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth.
The problem that most folks have with Alts is not that players have two or three characters, but rather that an Alt is a totally anonymous way to act like a [muppet / corpthief / griefer / insert pejorative] with no possible comeback.
Solve this by adding to each character's bio an indication of the names of other characters held by that character. This also solves the issue of using a suicide Alt then deleting it, since it would be easy to see who the main is. Basically, I think very few players are upset with being scammed, robbed or griefed as long as there's some culpability.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2005.06.28 09:49:00 -
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yes remove them.
But truly th eproblem is still with poeple having multiple accouts , they can still do the same things.
So removing altsseems abit pointless in the end
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Earthan
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Posted - 2005.06.28 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nathaniel Stark As several posters have mentioned, Alts have legitimate uses, enabling players to try out aspects of the game that they are unwilling or unable to experience with their mains. Also, now that Alts have been ingame for so long, and many players have Alt characters with hefty skillpoint totals, it would be pretty hard to take away Alts witout a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth.
The problem that most folks have with Alts is not that players have two or three characters, but rather that an Alt is a totally anonymous way to act like a [muppet / corpthief / griefer / insert pejorative] with no possible comeback.
Solve this by adding to each character's bio an indication of the names of other characters held by that character. This also solves the issue of using a suicide Alt then deleting it, since it would be easy to see who the main is. Basically, I think very few players are upset with being scammed, robbed or griefed as long as there's some culpability.
Nice idea
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.06.28 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus Like I've said before, have it be one of the requirements for transmuting a character to jove, forfeit alts.
no problem with this, whatsoever :D
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.06.28 09:55:00 -
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Edited by: fairimear on 28/06/2005 09:58:03 No why?
If players want multiple acounts they are allowed, can't afford 1?
not my problem.
Alts provide a means of expressing one's opinions without backlash. Many eve players are vindictive, bias and highly arogant. posting with a main can lead to more trouble.
Why some 1 been spilling your little secrets and you can't get at them?
thats what you get for keeping secrets or lieing.
Alts used to theif ore, corp hanger and so on?
Yep they exist in RL to. their called con-men and change their name, appearance and life style to operate in a manner they can't be traced or take any blame.
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Baleine4Nerver
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Posted - 2005.06.28 09:57:00 -
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Definately
NO
I can only afford 1 acct and use my 3 chars for different tasks.
In fact I am an alt, my alt brother and I simply perform money making tasks to supplement my main. We love him to bits and do not mind transfering all our isk to him so he can buy ships to be podded in.
Also, the game would be severly restricted to 1 char.. say your at war and in enemt territory, how you going to make momey.. and further more, how could you specialise in PvP ? and manufacturing.. you could'nt.
Alts are cool, I say that because I'm not used for anything sinister, just building refining etc. While my alt bro does other stuff.
And further to your comment on 1 month free for every mill SP.. that would just not cut it for me. I would expect to be able to transfer all my alts SP into my main, if alts were to be removed. I suspect the majority of players would feel the same, its not the money, its the time invested.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2005.06.28 09:58:00 -
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they are so many areas alts blow up.
Scouting part.You dont need to risk a main character you send your alt.Sounds unimportant but it really destroys a lot.
Corp thieving,insulting etc.
and much more, doesnt come to my mind atm but once been thinking about it and came to conclusion alts are really evil .
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Miri Tirzan
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Posted - 2005.06.28 10:11:00 -
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I would like to see alts leave the game. If only because it would force players to interact, i.e. you cannot be the pirate in low sec one day then give your goods to your alt with a good security rating to go sell or buy you stuff. You would have to deal with some other players. As it is now, everyone does everything for themselves so why bother dealing with others. I think it hurts the game.
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:36:00 -
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every account in this game already have a specific number. just have every post on these forums have a corresponding number identifying the account # wich the character is from. then you can have your alt and the others can have their accountability, if they connect the dots that is.
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:38:00 -
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dont allow alts to post on this forum simple 1 main name for each poster. Apart from that leave alts in the game they serve a useful purpose.
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Dahins alt
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:57:00 -
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so if I vote "yes", is there any chance that I'll stop killing over and over the same DDC/CLS alts in Y-MPL?
Truly, there was a point when 95% of the new entries in local were alts.
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Sweetpain
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Posted - 2005.06.28 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: ollobrains dont allow alts to post on this forum simple 1 main name for each poster. Apart from that leave alts in the game they serve a useful purpose.
I use only one character on the boards every single time i do post here, but i do not use the character i play in eve with the most.
Does this make this toon my alt or my main? Posting on the boards reflect your person not your character unless you are posting in the roleplaying section of the forum. if you violate the rules of the board it do not matter if the post where made by your main alt or alt 2, just as it does not matter if the in game violation where doen by your mian alt ot alt 2, the result is action taken against your account.
The only reason people are upset over postings on the boards using alts is that it limit their possibility to reteliate to their personal opinions against the characters they have in the gamne. And the people that get upset over this should be grateful they posted with thier alts since taking actions in game against someone because you did not agree to them on the boards is considered harrasement, stalking or mategaming as you in game use information your in game character would not have. so instead getting upset that i posted this post using my main forum poster and not my main playing character, you should be gratefull cause if you replyed in any way to one of my in game characters it could be considered harrasement, and in that i saved you from the risk of losing your account. this is my personal opinions as account owner why does it matter what signature i used on the post? does my opinions get less value because i used an little active toon in game to do it with?
keep asking devs over and over and over to remove alts having posting rights and the result might very well be that they remove the boards instead or moderate them heavily instead. Treat people with respect and respect their opinions as accoutn owners cause that is what they are, not alt or main. each post on this board comes from an account that is paid for monthly just as yours, and in that both hold the same value for the makers of this game.
If this board have flaws its up to the moderators to fix it, and any post the diminishing the value of a persons opinions based on what character the post where posted with should be deleted.
Posting statements like "Go away alt, no go recycle" is a threat, but few moderators seam to think of it like that. that very statement can be drawn out as someone asking the account owner to leave as they opinions hold no value on the topic discussed. So next time someone post "Go away alt, now go recylce" hopefully the statement will be acted upon as the harrasement it really are.
Account owner of EVE.
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Lady Amira
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Posted - 2005.06.28 12:22:00 -
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Do you know what? I really dont think removal of alts would clear up any of the stupidity we see on the forums. Forums all over the net have huge numbers of idiots posting all sorts of trolling and other useless posts.
Is anyone seriously suggesting they would war dec someone for posts they didnt like on the forum "if only they knew who to attack" You may find one or two forum flame wars would spill over into the game but I'm guessing these would be an insignificant minority. People like to talk up what they would do if it wasn't an alt but TBH talk is very cheap especially on forums on the net.
Accountabilty in game?? Lemme see...... Are you really telling me the game would be better without the likes of Zeepo and Tenaj? No risk in game = boring. They add risk to empire mining and the market / escrow / real estate trading.
Piracy again an important part of the game IMHO I see no reason why a pirate cant have an alt in empire trading to pay for the pirates activities?? You may not want to trade with an alt of a pirate if you knew but I can assure you hundreds of players will so your boycott will acheive nothing.
I refine for my main because when we were in empire he worked for the caldari navy and thus has a truely awful standing with Guristas pirates. Rather than lose 70% of the refine I do the refining in 0.0 (venal region for those who care.)
Oh and BTW my main is MrMuttley. I only posted with this alt cos shes better looking
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Thyro
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Posted - 2005.06.28 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: McBane Ok, prolly a bit of a touchy one this, but IÆm interested to know the general opinion on this subject.
IÆm against Alts in Eve and think they should be removed û despite using them myself û because I think they take away from the game more than they bring to it.
Without going into detail, the following are the key general reasons why I think Alts should be removedà
- They remove character accountability.
- They provide a way for a character to circumvent in game rules and mechanisms.
- They remove risk from a character.
Basically, I view Alts as one big Eve exploit.
As far as I am aware the only reason CCP made Alts part of Eve was for the purpose of corp espionage. While this is a valid use I think that there could be many other ways of introducing corp espionage without introducing all the problems Alts bring to Eve.
Before voting, please assume that If Alts were removed, CCP would provide some form of compensation to those whom have highly skilled Alts û for example, transferring them to a new account with 1 month free per 1mil SP.
I am also aware of issues such as trial and second accounts, but these issues are far from the level of Alts as there is already restrictions / money involved which reduce the extent of the Alt like uses for them.
So, remove Alts from Eve? Yay or Nay?
1st of all define what is an ALT
2nd which from the 3 chars is not an ALT
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Sweetpain
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Posted - 2005.06.28 12:50:00 -
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Edited by: Sweetpain on 28/06/2005 12:50:54
Originally by: Lady Amira Do you know what? I really dont think removal of alts would clear up any of the stupidity we see on the forums. Forums all over the net have huge numbers of idiots posting all sorts of trolling and other useless posts.
Is anyone seriously suggesting they would war dec someone for posts they didnt like on the forum "if only they knew who to attack" You may find one or two forum flame wars would spill over into the game but I'm guessing these would be an insignificant minority. People like to talk up what they would do if it wasn't an alt but TBH talk is very cheap especially on forums on the net.
Accountabilty in game?? Lemme see...... Are you really telling me the game would be better without the likes of Zeepo and Tenaj? No risk in game = boring. They add risk to empire mining and the market / escrow / real estate trading.
Piracy again an important part of the game IMHO I see no reason why a pirate cant have an alt in empire trading to pay for the pirates activities?? You may not want to trade with an alt of a pirate if you knew but I can assure you hundreds of players will so your boycott will acheive nothing.
I refine for my main because when we were in empire he worked for the caldari navy and thus has a truely awful standing with Guristas pirates. Rather than lose 70% of the refine I do the refining in 0.0 (venal region for those who care.)
Oh and BTW my main is MrMuttley. I only posted with this alt cos shes better looking
rules are allways made to prevent the exstremes, without them the rules would be unessesary. If ONE person declare war on your main based on your post on the boards rules have to be made, actions have to be taken to prevent it. Curcumstances also come in to play, call one person an idiot face to face in private and its a statement, do it surounded by people in public and its an criminal act, especially if that persons public reputation is important to them. Board are a public place. ¿ game better without the likes of Zeepo and Tenjai, no. But the game would be a better place if the game recognized the actions of them for what it is, if stealing was an criminal activity it would provide the thieves with some excitement rather then have them fly around playing gouvernment cleaning crew protected by ConCord, but i do fear characters like Tenjai and Zeepo would find new professsions rather fast, but thats just speculation from my side, maybe they would not :)
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Dufas
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Posted - 2005.06.28 12:54:00 -
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no your an idiot plz end yourself...have a nice day
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Knukalz
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Posted - 2005.06.28 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dufas no your an idiot plz end yourself...have a nice day
why do all forums seem to attract people like this?
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Khargos
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Posted - 2005.06.28 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Knukalz
Originally by: Dufas no your an idiot plz end yourself...have a nice day
why do all forums seem to attract people like this?
Its really because of the pretentious europeans. and the redneck kill-um-all US players.
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NanoRunner
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Posted - 2005.06.29 00:03:00 -
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"As several posters have mentioned, Alts have legitimate uses, enabling players to try out aspects of the game that they are unwilling or unable to experience with their mains. Also, now that Alts have been ingame for so long, and many players have Alt characters with hefty skillpoint totals, it would be pretty hard to take away Alts witout a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth. "
I have yet to see a truly legitmate use of an alt. Feel free to detail the many uses you know of.
Remeber you can only train 1 character at a time so anything you train on the alt could have been trained on your main anyways.
Wait I know your gonna say well my mining alt has stats that favor leaning mining skills, YeS but any time gained by those stats would be easily offset by the time you have invested in learning skills on your main so they do not save you any real time.
Not even sure why you think creating a mining alt is legitamite anyways, since your exploiting game mechanic to get the best of both worlds which CLEARLY wasnt intended thus the reason why each race has different stats, yet they ALL can train EVERY SKILL IN THE GAME.
Dont get into the convinence either of logging a empire space miner cause you dont want the hassle of making 25 jumps to go there with your main to mine because ding ding ding again that is just an exploit agian of alts that really wasnt intended THUS the point of not being able to instantly jump to any point in the game in the first place.
So again feel free to list them all out but be sure to carefully screen your legit uses of alts to ensure none of them serve to exploit or work around a game design element to make things easier for you, that was clearly not supposed to be that way like the examples i listed, where the dev's would have just let all characters do that if they intended 1 player to be able to do all of that.
Again remeber the concept is that 1 person is a character not the combined efforts of 3 characters = 1 person.
Fire away :)
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