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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1504
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:00:00 -
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I need some advice.
I have a nerve condition that makes me move when I don't want. Dr. says it's called a myoclonic twtich. Everyone else calls it a hiccup.
Awake or asleep, It can't be stopped.
Here's the deal. I've been grinding my teeth pretty visciously, I need to get a mouthguard obviously. In the meantime, it appears I've pulverized a tooth.
The last one on the bottom right. I can "feel' it, but it doesn't hurt. However, it is doing what you expect something that's pulverized to do. I'm literally grinding the damn thing down to sand.
I can't have sharp objects put in my mouth, and I can't have my head strapped in place; It's possible for me to break my neck doing that.
Am I ok as long as long as it doesn't get infected? Will it simply fall out, barring any serious complication? I know I should see the dentist, but should I be concerned enough to actually go? If there's something to grab onto, could the dentist just pull it out.
Obviously I don't want to go to the dentist. I'm obsessed with my teeth and they're in great shape, other than this one tooth, and I'm that way for no other reason than I don't want to have to go to the dentist. Ya know I mean? I don't want to go to the dentist.
Should I though? I really do not want to go to the dentist. Is this serious enough that I probably should?
There is NO pain.
I feel silly asking this here, but I really do not want to have to go to the dentist if I don't have to. Any advice? |
SeenButNotHeard
Doing The Business
11
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:04:00 -
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I am most definitely not a dentist. I am however phobic about going and am current undergoing "therapy" to assist me with this.
The reason I am undergoing this therapy? One tooth. It died a long time ago, having been root canalled (not a word I know) filled, drilled and then eventually snapping.
It was fine for two years. Then over the last 3 months I have had an abcess (didn't go to the dentist - agony) and it just doesn't go away.
And that my friend is the bottom line. Problems with teeth DO NOT go away. They just get more and more irritating.
Whatever you choose to do I wish you all the best. Toothache is truly hideous. |
Zimmy Zeta
RvB - RED Federation
5862
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:09:00 -
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Would you even accept any other advice than "Yeah, Natsett, you're probably right, better don't go to the dentist"?
About the the missing pain: have you had a root canal treatment in this thooth? If the nerve had been destroyed long ago, it would explain why you don't feel anything. Sometimes those nerves even die on their own- an infection could have killed the nerve in the past, but usually this is extremely painful. Please vote for Malcanis in the 2013 CSM elections, unless you were going to vote for Mangala Solaris, wich would be awesome, too. |
Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
44
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:17:00 -
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You need to see a dentist. Damaged teeth can result in infections.
Infections in the mouth and especially the teeth Can result in a blood infection ( Sepsis / Septic Shock ) which is a serious and life threatening condition. |
jason hill
The Riot Formation Unclaimed.
171
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:26:00 -
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i dont know where you live ...and to be honest it doesnt really matter ...all you need to do is to look on the web for a dental practice the specialises in general anesthetics ... theres one in my home town ....they are NOT cheap ! but if your phobia /malady prevents you from putting up with the (quite considerably trauma IMO ) you will find its well worth the expense ...
ps you do feel a bit crap for a few hours ...but then again i loathe the dentist so I go for general anesthetic ..
Here in the Uk the NHS offers wisdom teeth removals under general anasthetic ..or they used to |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1445
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:27:00 -
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I'll be surprised if a dentist finds this thread.
I assume the majority of the grinding happens when you're sleeping? When i was young my mother did that for a couple years, and i could hear it from my room. It was stress related and she eventually stopped as suddenly as she started. Maybe try to relax or sort some things out which are bugging you.
But i don't know what could help the damage already done, aside from surgery or some kind of drug regimen. It probably will get infected at some point if you don't get it taken care of. I doubt it will fall out on its own, but you might be able to get it with pliers if you're crazy enough.
My unprofessional opinion would be to have a professional remove it. Like someone else mentioned teeth only get worse, and people have actually died from tooth infections. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1505
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:35:00 -
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jason hill wrote:i dont know where you live ...and to be honest it doesnt really matter ...all you need to do is to look on the web for a dental practice the specialises in general anesthetics ... theres one in my home town ....they are NOT cheap ! but if your phobia /malady prevents you from putting up with the (quite considerably trauma IMO ) you will find its well worth the expense ...
ps you do feel a bit crap for a few hours ...but then again i loathe the dentist so I go for general anesthetic ..
Here in the Uk the NHS offers wisdom teeth removals under general anasthetic ..or they used to General anasthetic won't work. You can't put my brain to sleep. As long as it's running, I'll twitch. Doctors have video taped me doing this stuff to show to other doctors.
I'll got to the dentist IF it's absessed, that's not a problem.
A dentist is useless to me if he can't pull it without cutting. I'm wondering if it's possible it could just come out on it's own. Can that happen?
... Is cutting common? I don't know how to ask what I'm wondering. What are the odds they'll have to cut. I know everyone's different, but is the tooth location a determining factor? There's still plenty there to grab onto.
When it gets down to it. It's the money. I have TONS of medical bills. My ins. doesn't cover this, what a shock. I have to pay for the consult. I'm worried they'll be like, well we'd have to cut it out.
That is literally not an option. No one is allowed to operate on me. My condition prevents.
I do hope you guys undrestand the dilema I'm in. I'm not afraid of the dentist. I'm afraid of the bill I would have to pay for a wasted trip.
PS; Bane kind of got it. It's that "chance" to get infected that I'm concerned with.
I know lots about the nervous system, I know nothing about teeth other than taking care of them.
How likely is an infection? |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1445
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:42:00 -
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I don't mean to scare you, but it seems myoclonic twitches are often caused by neurological diseases
Wikipedia wrote: multiple sclerosis, Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, subacute sclerosing panencephalitis and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD), serotonin toxicity, some cases of Huntington's disease, some forms of epilepsy, and occasionally in intracranial hypotension.
The teeth grinding and the twitch could both be symptoms of something far more serious. If your doctor didn't even consider that, get a new doctor. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
SeenButNotHeard
Doing The Business
12
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:46:00 -
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Ultimately you are not playing an odds based game here.
Your situation sounds extremely unpleasant. Must make PvP awkward Sorry.....
There has to be an answer to the issue but I doubt it would be found on the Eve-O forums. It sounds like you need a medical expert if your own dentist can't answer the question. If you don't have one try some dental forums?!
Let your own doctor do the running - or one of the guys involved with your condition.
Either way the issue is just a ticking time bomb, not a chance based issue. As for teeth just falling out? In my experience that only ever happens in dreams (quite a lot for me!) |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1505
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:47:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:I don't mean to scare you, but it seems myoclonic twitches are often caused by neurological diseases Wikipedia wrote: multiple sclerosis, Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, subacute sclerosing panencephalitis and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD), serotonin toxicity, some cases of Huntington's disease, some forms of epilepsy, and occasionally in intracranial hypotension. The teeth grinding and the twitch could both be symptoms of something far more serious. If your doctor didn't even consider that, get a new doctor. Way past all that, believe me.
Want me to list the other 100 things that do this. :) You don't really have "dcotors" at this point, you have specialists. |
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Zimmy Zeta
RvB - RED Federation
5862
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:53:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote: I know lots about the nervous system, I know nothing about teeth other than taking care of them.
How likely is an infection?
--> see my edit.
The good thing about it is that those germs are, although quite agressive- very week as antibioic resistances are concerned. Even the good old penicillin will kill them. If in doubt, just take some Penicillin V or Amoxicillin for about 5 days. Better safe than sorry.
Please vote for Malcanis in the 2013 CSM elections, unless you were going to vote for Mangala Solaris, wich would be awesome, too. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6659
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Posted - 2013.01.16 21:07:00 -
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If you use a hammer and smash out all the other teeth you'll stop grinding them.
The simplest solution is always the best
(go to the dentist, I'm sure they can put you in a medically induced coma where you are also paralyzed) "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Charlepetit LaJoie
Trust Me Ltd
135
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Posted - 2013.01.16 22:06:00 -
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It's probably best to ask a dentist about it before it starts hurting, so the dentist has time to come up with a good plan or to refer you to a specialist.
If you're afraid to go to a dentist, at least bring up the subject with the doctor treating your myoclonic twtich.
My last dentist always said that if it hurts, the dentist is doing it wrong. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6662
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Posted - 2013.01.16 22:18:00 -
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Charlepetit LaJoie wrote:It's probably best to ask a dentist about it before it starts hurting, so the dentist has time to come up with a good plan or to refer you to a specialist.
If you're afraid to go to a dentist, at least bring up the subject with the doctor treating your myoclonic twtich.
My last dentist always said that if it hurts, the dentist is doing it wrong.
I used to refuse the anaesthetic because I was super hardcore!
And scared of needles... I'd rather take the drill head on "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises Project Wildfire
233
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Posted - 2013.01.17 10:44:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:A dentist is useless to me if he can't pull it without cutting. I'm wondering if it's possible it could just come out on it's own. Can that happen?
Im not a dentist and can only speak from personal exsperiense. Im terrefied of dentists. Poke me with needles or whatever and im fine,but put me in that chair and i freak out. This is a very bad combination with sinus infections http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxillary_sinus. Because of the swelling and my..well small jaw (had theets removed previusly due to it simply not being enough space) my wisdom theets started to break. One of them went two years ago,and now most of it is completely gone with just a small piece left, second one broke in half during this christmas. Exept when i have sinus infections there is no pain at all,so yes your thooth can simply just come out on its own. I would not advice it tho (yea yea im the one too talk ),and would look for a dentist that spezialise in people who has exsperiense with people who are not..fond of dentists and is willing to sit down and talk to you about alternative ways to remove it in a safe way without making you uncomfterbale.
Good luck!
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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
541
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Posted - 2013.01.17 13:33:00 -
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I have found that going to the dentist once a year for a full cleaning, using floss and then brushing my teeth in the morn and before going to sleep out of habit has made me avoid such painful intrusions upon my mouth.
Unfortunately for you, you NEED to go to a specialist or rip the offending tooth out from the root and forget it. Pour some salt on it and drink vodka for a couple days. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Kurfin
Viziam Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2013.01.18 07:38:00 -
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If the tooth is crumbling they may have to dig the roots out, but at stated left untreated it could lead to a very serious infection. You definitely need to see a dentist, if the first one can't treat you need to find one who can. |
Calvin Firenze
Firenze Heavy Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.01.18 08:31:00 -
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Go see a dentist and get that tooth pulled before it gets infected. An infected tooth can kill you. A few months ago one of my wisdom teeth shattered and it got infected. The right side of my face was the size of a softball and the pain was beyond imagining. I couldn't function at all because of it. I ended up getting all 4 pulled at the same time to avoid it happening again.
On the plus side, the triazolam they prescribe you does wonders. You take the first one an hour before your visit and then they crush up the other two to put under your tongue. It absorbs directly into your bloodstream. Second best high ever and its 100% legal. You can even take a day off work. |
Lovely Dumplings
Lambda Mining
40
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Posted - 2013.01.18 15:54:00 -
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So, I'm not a doctor, but I played one on TV....and part of my job in the military was acting as a dental assistant! Myoclonic jerks can be nasty things, and if they're doing damage to your teeth, you really need to get it checked. Once you break the enamel, and get to the dentin, it's really easy to abscess out and get infections. Infections in the jaw have a bad tendency to migrate, and some can actually erode their way into your cranium. The last place you want a nasty infection is in your brainmeat.
Short term fix, you can try getting one of those mold-able football mouth-guards. Trim it down so it's comfortable, and wear it while asleep.
Long term, you need to find a specialist dentist that deals with general anesthesia. I assisted for damn near the exact same thing a few times, and all we do is have the anesthesiologist pump you so full of paralytics you can't move. Brain can send all the signals it wants, but your musculature is shut down for the duration. It extends post-op care, but it sounds like you need that.
Either way, good luck, and get well fast.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6738
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:15:00 -
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Calvin Firenze wrote:Go see a dentist and get that tooth pulled before it gets infected. An infected tooth can kill you. A few months ago one of my wisdom teeth shattered and it got infected. The right side of my face was the size of a softball and the pain was beyond imagining. I couldn't function at all because of it. I ended up getting all 4 pulled at the same time to avoid it happening again.
On the plus side, the triazolam they prescribe you does wonders. You take the first one an hour before your visit and then they crush up the other two to put under your tongue. It absorbs directly into your bloodstream. Second best high ever and its 100% legal. You can even take a day off work.
Send pics plz "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1588
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Posted - 2013.01.18 19:23:00 -
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So I talked to my doctor.
If it becomes a problem, infection, what they'll do is strap me to a chair; entirely.
Arms, legs, head, body. They'll literally stap me down so there's simply no way for me to move, and I'll just have to deal with the nerve pain after it's all said and done.
Yeah... I don't mind needles, don't mind knives, not even the drill. I'm not so sure I like having the guy with all those things tie me to a table though. Call me crazy, but my insticts are all like, "you don't do that!"
It actually feels better. Was never any pain, just a little pressure. I have very little room in my jaw for my teeth as is and to be honest my jaw feels better. It basically shattered at the very back, and now all my other teeth feel like they have more room; including the one I shattered.
Every single one of my wisdom teeth had no place to come in but under another tooth. I had to have pieces of my jaw cut out in order to remove them, that was a nightmare.
I'm that guy that general anesthesia doesn't relly work on. Until you have to be put under, no one knows how your body will react to the anesthesia, and some of us are much, much harder to knock out than others. The anesthesiologist and both doctors told me that they'd reached a point where I would have had a heart attack if they had given me anymore. I had to do half the operation conscious, and able to feel everything they were doing -remember, if your body will shrug off the stuff they use to put you under there's a good chance it will just shrug off the stuff they use to make it not hurt.-
Some people aren't aware of this. The general anesthesia that most dentist use to "knock you out" doesn't actually do that. They induce amnesia.. It's very much like drinking to much and blacking out.
Coinsidentally, I can drink an enormous amount of alchohol, and do; quit often. The things I wish I could forget.
It's crazy because it's a perfectly healthy tooth. It impresses me what the human body will do to itself wihout even realizing it. Or does realize it? Did I grind it down subconsciously to make room for the others?
Is it weird that I think these awful things that happen to me are neat? Seems morbid to me. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
250
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Posted - 2013.01.18 19:27:00 -
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Just got back from dentist_root canal seems like to me that you are destroying that tooth anyway u can just pull it out and get it over with. "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again"
Leeloo Dallas Multipass - "Big bada boom"
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1588
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Posted - 2013.01.18 19:34:00 -
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That's what I'm hoping. Don't think I broke enough of it yet for it to start loosening up though, or it hasn't broken far enough down.
I'm hoping it'll reach a point I can feel comfortable that I won't rip my gums to **** and I can just yank the little ****** out myself.
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
250
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Posted - 2013.01.18 19:41:00 -
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Hope you will figure it out
Last week when they started to work on it(drill killing nerves etc) 2 local shoots didn't help with pain but when doc injected it directly in tooth via opening it was way lighter on pain.
Today no anesthetic what so ever didn't feel a thing. "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again"
Leeloo Dallas Multipass - "Big bada boom"
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Zimmy Zeta
RvB - RED Federation
6039
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Posted - 2013.01.18 19:41:00 -
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Even if the myoclonias don't react to general anesthesia, there is still the other way: Suxamthonium. This is quite similar to the famous curare arrow poison, it completely paralyzes every muscle. Suxa is often used in anesthesia, I think you would just need a little bit more than the average patient. Your brain and spine can keep firing as much as they want, as long as your muscles are neutralized (for a limited time) there will be no twitch. Since it is extremely horrifying to witness how your entire body (including respiration) goes atonic, general anesthesia is usually there to keep you from making this traumatic experience. There is always a way- only because they haven't found one yet doesn't mean there is none. Please don't feed me. |
Lovely Dumplings
Lambda Mining
42
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Posted - 2013.01.18 19:43:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:So I talked to my doctor.
If it becomes a problem, infection, what they'll do is strap me to a chair; entirely.
Arms, legs, head, body. They'll literally stap me down so there's simply no way for me to move, and I'll just have to deal with the nerve pain after it's all said and done.
Yeah... I don't mind needles, don't mind knives, not even the drill. I'm not so sure I like having the guy with all those things tie me to a table though. Call me crazy, but my insticts are all like, "you don't do that!"
It actually feels better. Was never any pain, just a little pressure. I have very little room in my jaw for my teeth as is and to be honest my jaw feels better. It basically shattered at the very back, and now all my other teeth feel like they have more room; including the one I shattered.
Every single one of my wisdom teeth had no place to come in but under another tooth. I had to have pieces of my jaw cut out in order to remove them, that was a nightmare.
I'm that guy that general anesthesia doesn't relly work on. Until you have to be put under, no one knows how your body will react to the anesthesia, and some of us are much, much harder to knock out than others. The anesthesiologist and both doctors told me that they'd reached a point where I would have had a heart attack if they had given me anymore. I had to do half the operation conscious, and able to feel everything they were doing -remember, if your body will shrug off the stuff they use to put you under there's a good chance it will just shrug off the stuff they use to make it not hurt.-
Some people aren't aware of this. The general anesthesia that most dentist use to "knock you out" doesn't actually do that. They induce amnesia.. It's very much like drinking to much and blacking out.
Coinsidentally, I can drink an enormous amount of alchohol, and do; quit often. The things I wish I could forget.
It's crazy because it's a perfectly healthy tooth. It impresses me what the human body will do to itself wihout even realizing it. Or does realize it? Did I grind it down subconsciously to make room for the others?
Is it weird that I think these awful things that happen to me are neat? Seems morbid to me.
Once you get to that point, you really need to look at a good oral/maxillofacial surgeon. "Tied down and just do it" is really brutal. There are ways to put people under, even the touchiest, most drug resistant patient. If your dentist isn't willing to explore options, and refer you to the right practitioner, then he isn't worth keeping.
Most dentists aren't qualified to do full-on general anesthesia. A good surgeon will do what it takes to minimize suffering. |
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