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Tar om
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Posted - 2005.06.27 15:56:00 -
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I'm just mooching around 0.0, looking at the maps and it occurs to me that all the "paladin" style alliances are dead and have been replaced by pirates, former pirates and mercenaries. If you want to mine 0.0 you're looking at paying protection rather than joining an alliance these days. Is this a fair summary?
and.. .is this because people who want to make cash are all in empire these days?
Tar om -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net http://www.serenitymovie.com |
Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:05:00 -
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0.0 = pvp, if you enjoy pvp alot, theres a good chance your a pirate, if you were there for the ore, you probably went back to empire to run missions. So yeah pretty much. Not that there are very many people in 0.0 to begen with.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tar om Is this a fair summary?
I wouldnt say so, just because xetic is dead doesnt mean they is no mining going on..
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:08:00 -
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We're good guys and we live in 0.0, Providence and Immensea, although we prefer NPC hunt and PVP to mining.
WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa. WTB: Female, plays eve, lives near London UK |
Viceroy
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:10:00 -
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Yeah that's fair summary of why EVE rules so much. Pretty much nothing is a charity, it's all about interest.
Non of that "paladin" like people for me thanks. I prefer cut-throat competition and scheming, otherwise i'd be playing any other cliche MMO out there. __________________________
Finite Horizon Your end is our beginning.
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Imran
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:22:00 -
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yarr me matey, crokite off the port bow?
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Xiliath
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:25:00 -
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Even though there may not be "Paladin" like alliance around, there are still some good corps around like JDI. Which are still and alway will be a pirate hunting, mining, un-corrupt corporation.
___________________________________________________________ Xiliath; Co-CEO Judge Dread Inc.
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Siri Danae
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gamer4liff 0.0 = pvp
No, 0.0 = No Security. That shouldn't mean that the 3000 systems out there are 3000 quaint little pvp arenas, they have far more value. I think its great CCP is putting tools in place to make 0.0 a frontier and not a battlefield.
Now they just have to change the player mentalities.
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Chade Malloy
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:37:00 -
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After my corp parted from xetic, life got much more interesting down in 0.0 where we "live".
We pretty much make our own laws and consider a few systems as our domain. Atm we have no ambitions to hold out our heads for others (like in xetic).
We wonŠt "pirate" anyone who isnt on bad standing with us, but consider yourself podded if you enter our space without asking first
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Gamer4liff on 27/06/2005 16:51:36
Originally by: Siri Danae
Originally by: Gamer4liff 0.0 = pvp
No, 0.0 = No Security. That shouldn't mean that the 3000 systems out there are 3000 quaint little pvp arenas, they have far more value. I think its great CCP is putting tools in place to make 0.0 a frontier and not a battlefield.
Now they just have to change the player mentalities.
Nope, 0.0= Pvp. That is its only purpose now. Maybe in the future it will be profitable, but right now it is a wasteland of campers pirates and vultures.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:50:00 -
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Agreed, the entire problem with 0.0 is that it's being treated like a deathmatch arena, and most people just aren't interested in that kind of gameplay. PvP for the sake of PvP is pointless and boring. All it is is making money by grinding missions or whatever, then wasting it on a futile attempt to kill other people, most of which are there for the same thing, and if people who want nothing to do with that kind of thing get cought in the crossfire and complain it's always: "0.0 is for PvP, don't go there if you can't stand the heat"
Well, if you ask me we just need to slowly get to the point where people who build infrastructure in 0.0 no longer have to fear people who just go there to blow stuff up, but only those who also have a real foothold in lowsec...
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.06.27 16:58:00 -
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Nah. You don't have to have 50mil skillpoints in gunnery to survive in 0.0. Nor do you need 50mil friends in battleships. If you are smart, you can make millions out there without ever lifting a pvp finger. ------------
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.06.27 17:01:00 -
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To be honest, I don't think there is any good guys in 0.0
Just people that for now have an agreement not to shot eachother.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.06.27 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Deja Thoris on 27/06/2005 17:10:34
Originally by: Chade Malloy
We wonŠt "pirate" anyone who isnt on bad standing with us, but consider yourself podded if you enter our space without asking first
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I looked on the map but I couldn't find a system called "Chade Malloy's" Please enlighten me.
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Branmuffin
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Posted - 2005.06.27 17:11:00 -
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Sad isn't it.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.27 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 27/06/2005 17:37:36
Originally by: hired goon Nah. You don't have to have 50mil skillpoints in gunnery to survive in 0.0. Nor do you need 50mil friends in battleships. If you are smart, you can make millions out there without ever lifting a pvp finger.
Yep. 90% of the time I solo pvp in hostile territory. Thats right, alone, no "omguberganksquad" with me. I'm not rich at all, less than 200mil in my wallet. I only have 11 mil skillpoints, and only about 3 mil in gunnery. I consistantly fight ships that are "bigger" than me, or ships that are the same class as me. I have no "agenting alt" to make me isk doing lvl 4s.
Now explain to me plz why in the minds of 99% of the carebears this makes me: 1) A pirate!!11 2) A griefer!!11 3) 13 years old!!11 4) A Lamer!!11 5) Only kills haulers!!11 6) A Gatecamper!!11 7) Has no honor!!11 8) Rich!!111
I'm just curious cause I'm sure this thread will fill up with posts about how every pvper in 0.0 is one of those 8 things. I just don't understand where all the ideas about 0.0 that people who have never been there seem to have gotten.
As far as the thread topic, I consider all of my allies "good guys." I don't really see the point of this thread. Who are "Good guys" depends on who's asking, and who's judging. One of the numerous [5] sponsored corps might think the [5] are "good guys," for providing them the ability to operate in 0.0 where they wouldn't have otherwise. At the same time, our enemys think we are "bad guys" because we fight them.
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Olivin
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Posted - 2005.06.27 17:42:00 -
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LOL @ "paladin" style "good guys"... and bad ones too.
Olivin
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2005.06.27 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: Gamer4liff on 27/06/2005 17:51:26
Originally by: DrunkenOne
Now explain to me plz why in the minds of 99% of the carebears this makes me: 1) A pirate!!11 2) A griefer!!11 3) 13 years old!!11 4) A Lamer!!11 5) Only kills haulers!!11 6) A Gatecamper!!11 7) Has no honor!!11 8) Rich!!111
Its because "carebear" players see arrogant people posting on the forums with stories of how they were in X ammount of fleet battles and have X ammount of skillpoints and have X ammount of ships. That negative image of a 0.0 pvper sticks to their minds. Edit: and also they see posts where the entire tone consists of "why my opinion is more important than your opinion because i play for 23 hours a day, own bpo's to t2 ships and your a noob for not fighting back, etc, etc, etc.."
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PirateShampoo
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Posted - 2005.06.27 17:57:00 -
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I think us 0.0 pvper actually get more out of eve then u empire guys do, most of us dont have lvl 4 mission agents so we actually get to interact with more people while where r having our battles and traveling the 40 odd jumps to get a fight. We make a lot of friends this way, some we like some we dont. We dont c EVE has insta undock, warp to agent mission, complete, insta dock. Stop, rinse and repeat. Im glad im in 0.0 and dont think id ever return to empire.
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Altar Mei
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Posted - 2005.06.27 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne Edited by: DrunkenOne on 27/06/2005 17:37:36 we are "bad guys" because we
murder innocent miners.
Yes I agree, 5 and company are ebil pirates!
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Cosmic Dragon
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Posted - 2005.06.27 18:10:00 -
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i dont think all people in 0.0 are evil just people having fun.
Would be nice to have ways to enter 0.0 without meeting any camps problem is there are not enough entrances into 0.0 but the new world order should fix this.
As a side not me and certain members of my corp go in 0.0 to pvp in frigs and its a lot of fun little risk to us and we even kill the occasional batteship. So if you see me or Helmet its likele we are on a rampage
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Brej Donierik
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Posted - 2005.06.27 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: hired goon If you are smart, you can make millions out there without ever lifting a pvp finger.
Yep.
Now explain to me plz why in the minds of 99% of the carebears this makes me: 1) A pirate!!11 2) A griefer!!11 3) 13 years old!!11 4) A Lamer!!11 5) Only kills haulers!!11 6) A Gatecamper!!11 7) Has no honor!!11 8) Rich!!111
It's because quotes like Hired Goon's are actually just veiled insults insinuating just how stupid the rest of us must be, when in fact brainpower does not guarantee anything, and how well you play a game doesn't particularly indicate your mental prowess, either.
1-4 and 6 and 7 are just attempts to insult you back.
Thought you'd be able to recognize smack talk by now.
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Khargos
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Posted - 2005.06.27 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Brej Donierik
Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: hired goon If you are smart, you can make millions out there without ever lifting a pvp finger.
Yep.
Now explain to me plz why in the minds of 99% of the carebears this makes me: 1) A pirate!!11 2) A griefer!!11 3) 13 years old!!11 4) A Lamer!!11 5) Only kills haulers!!11 6) A Gatecamper!!11 7) Has no honor!!11 8) Rich!!111
It's because quotes like Hired Goon's are actually just veiled insults insinuating just how stupid the rest of us must be, when in fact brainpower does not guarantee anything, and how well you play a game doesn't particularly indicate your mental prowess, either.
1-4 and 6 and 7 are just attempts to insult you back.
Thought you'd be able to recognize smack talk by now.
If these boards got any more passive-agressive Dr. phill would show up to offer his "services".
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.06.27 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 27/06/2005 18:45:55 I played out in 0.0 space for some time, can't wait to get back out there...
There is no good or bad out there, not anymore than there is in empire...
Right now, 0.0 space is combat PvP for the sake of PvP for the most part.
I'm hoping the NWO & COSMOS will give more structure to 0.0 space, and more meaning to the battles out there. Also, make it more accessible to the EVE population.
0.0 space as it stands now gets quite annoying after a while... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!" |
Siri Danae
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Posted - 2005.06.27 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
I'm hoping the NWO & COSMOS will give more structure to 0.0 space, and more meaning to the battles out there. Also, make it more accessible to the EVE population.
Agreed. Alliances are at their best when they have something tangible to defend. The best case scenario is we'll see them contract to better defend a few key constellations as the industrious carebears move in to try and build something of value in 0.0.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.27 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Altar Mei
Originally by: DrunkenOne Edited by: DrunkenOne on 27/06/2005 17:37:36 we are "bad guys" because we
murder innocent miners.
Yes I agree, 5 and company are ebil pirates!
Lies, they were the badguys destroying the beautiful environment of those belts! [5] is actually greenpeace
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Domalais
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Posted - 2005.06.27 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Gamer4liff Edited by: Gamer4liff on 27/06/2005 17:59:34 Edited by: Gamer4liff on 27/06/2005 17:51:26
Its because "carebear" players see arrogant people posting on the forums with stories of how they were in X ammount of fleet battles and have X ammount of skillpoints and have X ammount of ships and in general makeing an ass of themselves. That negative image of a 0.0 pvper sticks to their minds. Edit: and also they see posts where the entire tone consists of "why my opinion is more important than your opinion because i play for 23 hours a day, own bpo's to t2 ships and your a noob for not fighting back, etc, etc, etc.."
Buhu?
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Lansfear
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Posted - 2005.06.27 19:54:00 -
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There are "Good Guys" still out there. My corp and I for instance. We've only ever pvp'd "bad guys". We hunt the hunters, kill those who would kill indiscriminately. Hunting miners, indies, alts, ganking is easy and boring. The only real challenge in this game is hunting the predators. I like to consider us Carebears with teeth. (I still love to mine/manufactor)
But yes. .0 as it stands now is only a pvp arena with mega and zyd laying around. The last "Good" Alliance died with Xetic. (ASCN came close but veired down the wrong path.)
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2005.06.27 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Domalais
Originally by: Gamer4liff Edited by: Gamer4liff on 27/06/2005 17:59:34 Edited by: Gamer4liff on 27/06/2005 17:51:26
Its because "carebear" players see arrogant people posting on the forums with stories of how they were in X ammount of fleet battles and have X ammount of skillpoints and have X ammount of ships and in general makeing an ass of themselves. That negative image of a 0.0 pvper sticks to their minds. Edit: and also they see posts where the entire tone consists of "why my opinion is more important than your opinion because i play for 23 hours a day, own bpo's to t2 ships and your a noob for not fighting back, etc, etc, etc.."
Buhu?
Buhu to you too
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2005.06.27 20:38:00 -
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Quote: But yes. .0 as it stands now is only a pvp arena with mega and zyd laying around. The last "Good" Alliance died with Xetic. (ASCN came close but veired down the wrong path.)
I can't totally disagree with you, but I can say that there are some of us that have been looking long and hard at the NWO and the changes it will bring (hopefully for the better) for deepspace alliances.
Yes, most alliances strongly defend their territory... primarily because if they don't they soon have fleets of enemies insta-jumping past them to wreak havok, using bookmarks made by supposedly innocent alts. None of the people I fly with enjoy the fact that we end up shooting neutrals on a regular basis, even though we do our best to warn them off before they get into trouble.
Speaking strictly for myself, I have been bending ears to look long and hard at the new Outposts, and the new map, (as soon as it becomes possible) with an eye towards the possibility of establishing a free trade zone in 0.0. This "may" be possible with the ability to conduct trade from outside a station, which will also be implemented next patch. A measure of control and stability may be able to be maintained by restricting who can and who cannot actually dock, yet still be able to conduct viable commerce with people from outside the alliance borders (and perhaps generate revenue from those that are allowed to dock. In saying this I mean outside of having to make long hazardous trade runs to hotspot marketing centers. This may end up creating security nightmares that are insurmountable, but as more mechanisms are put in place to control a territory... well, we will see.
I also think that most people in Empire need to realize that while most 0.0 space is not open in the sense that you can just pop in unannounced, you might be surprised at how open many alliances are to allowing people to operate in the vicinity. And given the time to establish a working relationship may be allowed inside or invited to join said alliance. There really aren't many walls up to 0.0 that a bit of civility and patience can't open a way through.
By the way, FA maintains an anti-pirate stance and employ's a variety of methods to break up pirate activity near our borders. I would not call ourselves Paladin's, but buisness men and women who try to help out when we can. Please lets not turn this into flamefest now, I'm merely saying that not all alliances are evil (even those we may be fighting), and 0.0 is more than just a killing field.
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