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Sorany
Hard Knocks Inc.
31
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:04:00 -
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Gripper
The Littlest Hobos Whores in space
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:04:00 -
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Crausaum wrote:Hey CCP remember back when POS's were introduced and the current system was said to be a placeholder until the UI and other components could be improved?
Hah, it's been a great decade... where's my update?
Your truly supplying the chorus for the above opinion: It's been a frickin' "while" since the first promises to improve this and I'll bitchslap with a long-limb roe anyone who dares to say POS's are not relevant: THEY AFFECT THE WHOLE EVE COMMUNITY THROUGH T2/T3 PRODUCTION ALONE AND IT CAN BE IMPROVED INTO SOMETHING GREAT!
I think CCP's goal should be making the POS system attractive enough that in the future, not having erected ones own POS is like not having your cherry popped EVE-wise. That's how tempting it should be made and I believe this would serve the financial goals of CCP as well in the long run. |
Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition Fatal Ascension
312
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:05:00 -
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Quote:- What "time window" would be involved in adjusting them? This is a case of CCP managing their work programme after deciding on changes, and is really irrelavant, CCP can set a timescale, we just want them to commit
Quote:- What time windows would be involved in learning how to adjust them properly? CCP have already suggested a dual-pos system whereby as one is phased in... the other is phased out... similar to what happened with fuel blocks.
Quote:- What state would these be in until adjustments were made? "Default" security being ... upon implementation? This, and the above point are both implementation hurdles of making modular poses... we just want to see some POS love... no matter what state they're in.
Quote:- What happens to the now defunct structural layouts that *ARE* deployed? - What happens with layout changes needed to support a stronger configuration when the nearest base is ... far away?
They get phased out while the others get phased in... I.E: first have a period where both pos types co-exist... then a period where the old pos's can no longer be fueled... then eventually they go offline and eventually get deleted after a certain time period if they aren't picked up... again... this would be in the case of complete, modular pos re-design
Quote:The idea of changes do make sense and would be of benefit and value but getting there might cause mass nightmares for many outfits depending on how radical the changes are. That's why this improvement and possible re-design would more than likely take place over a number of expansions.
At this point... we only want ccp to commit to a promise of change and improvement... something which we thought they already had done, but blatantly going back on their word in this way, on something which would improve the lives of so many players... Is not only disappointing, it's one of the main reasons people end up un-subscribing. Kick Heim... MATE |
chris elliot
EG CORP Talocan United
94
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:08:00 -
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Confirming that CCP is ruled by nullsec pocket books and that wormholers or the poor saps in null that do logistics do not matter. |
mxzf
Blackened Skies
2134
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:09:00 -
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I'll throw my vote in that POSes definitely need some work. I've lived out of a POS in a WH and nullsec and I've used them in highsec and it's always a massive pain. They really do need some work, the sooner the better. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1013
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:11:00 -
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Posting to say that POSs need a COMPLETE overhaul and has for many years. If deployment is an issue, then just add in new modular POSs and allow a transition period before removing the old ones.
IMHO redoing POSs should be top on CCPs list, the positive effects it can have on the game as a whole, far out weigh any new V3 or ****** new frig. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
256
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:13:00 -
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Every Selsufficient corp (and there are really many around EVE)has at least 1 POS. I am alredy for 1 year around Lowsec and i really dont know if there is a single corp/Alliance that doest have a POS. My CEO has quite few to manage and it is really pain in the ass. And none wants to jump in to take the role of POS manager cos they sucks. Our corp could have 10 times more income than it is now from moon goo, but than there would be too much Complicated POSes around.
Hey and if the POSes would be modular i d have one just for giggles and RP. |
Hellynx84
The Learning Curve.
8
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:14:00 -
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* Goes and Grabs popcorn in preparation of "Summer of Rage Part 2"
CCP you went down the path of ignoring your player base once, try not to repeat history. If enough people are saying its important to them, it cannot be a small portion of the community.
Off to load my badger full of POS modules, and inevitable headache. Wheres my aspirin..... |
Regan Rotineque
Rl'yeh Interstellar Ltd. Lawful Insanity
62
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:15:00 -
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I packed up my widdle high sec life and moved out to the great beyond of null land.
I had been told to expect rainbows and ponies.
Instead I was treated by the POS monster.
For the love of cornflakes CCP please fix.... Let me open a can in one. Maybe let me fix things in them or perhaps restack/repackage modules.
I honestly dont know how anyone can stand it.....the insanity that is POS life.
The modular idea is an awesome one...let us build our homes and live in them and want to fight to defend them.
~R~ |
Vindictate
Vae Caudex Corporation
11
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:18:00 -
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I believe you can do better CCP. I understand that things take time but as a char for 3 years ive been waiting long enough for fixes. Seriously when i started pos were flawed 3+ YRS later still flawed. Ships still unbalanced. Even since you introduced tiericide over a year ago its still not complete. Time to deliver.
Please Give Me the POS revamp I've waited years for. |
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
225
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:19:00 -
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You know those "Enablers" and "Instigators" ya'll mentioned throwing some bones to in Seagull's blog? The POS revamp would be a fantastic bone to throw. They're the "small group" you don't seem worth catering to in this case. Which is foolish. Even if you've abandoned Greyscale's vision of "everyone wanting to own one", they're the types of person who maintain those POS on behalf of larger groups, and so throwing that bone to that "small group" has far reaching consequences, well beyond that "small group." And who knows, do a good enough job and maybe that "small group" will be joined, and Greyscale's vision achieved. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
247
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:20:00 -
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I did use POSes regularly, but the desire to kill myself lead to my tearing them down in a fit of rage and almost quitting entirely.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD FIX THEM ALREADY. Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Mate. |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
94
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:21:00 -
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chris elliot wrote:Confirming that CCP is ruled by nullsec pocket books and that wormholers or the poor saps in null that do logistics do not matter. That makes no sense since the major alliance power blocks are funded hugely through moon goo which is an industrial activity done with POses. besides that, the construction of supercap fleets can only be done at a POS and those same supercaps can only be stored at a POS.
Null bears have just as much of a stake in a POS revamp as the people living in wormholes. |
Sephanor
Universalis Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team
12
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:21:00 -
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A pos revamp is sorely needed. |
Pancake King
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
19
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:21:00 -
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"Only affect the group that manages POSes?"
Maybe if they were fixed, that number would increase..... |
Lin Gerie
Hole Perception Fade 2 Black
14
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:21:00 -
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CCP you must realize that this is not just a POS revamp. For Wormholers its their way of life. In addition you can now do new things with POS's that could reshape how null or even faction warfare/LS space function.
Yes it will probably take a whole expansion in and of itself, but if you take your time and make them as perfect as you can it will hopefully be something you dont have to revisit again. Besides now you can also take into account the dust bunnies if you so desire.
To throw this to the wayside is to ignore a huge part of the game that is desperately outdated like almost nothing else. Think about how this will lower the skill ceiling to WH space, LS and null as players will be able to easily (comparatively) understand POS mechanics and set one up for their corp. |
Jokus Balim
Capital Destruction
12
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:22:00 -
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I play EVE since mid 2007. I tried to get something done with POSes about half a dozen time. It was always again and again a frustrating experience because it is so insanely clumsy and unintuitive. In the end, I stopped to care about POSes again, and let more motivated people do it.
I can imagine that I'm not the only one who doesn't get involved with POSes thanks to their bad design. Like several posters before me, I think that CCP confuses cause and effect here. |
Jedediah Arndtz
Squirrel Horde Habitat Against Humanity
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:23:00 -
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Marc Scaurus wrote:Perhaps it could be that current active POS managers are only a small portion of the community because POSes are so bad right now. I once lived in a wormhole and it was a great way to make ISK. The reason I left? Managing the POS that was our supposed home, but felt more like a lean to or something Bear Grylls would make whilst swilling his own ****.
In short, if the POS management community is small, it's only through the continuing failure by CCP to grow it through (at the least) an accessible management system.
Logged in just to repost this. |
Darckense Zakalwe
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:24:00 -
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I have currently 0 POSs and 10 active accounts to my name, despite this I am posting in this thread to express that I would love to see a full expansion cycle dedicated to a good modular POS system, and am gravely disappointed that this looks unlikely at this time. This is from the perspective of someone who has to interact with them both directly and indirectly out in nul, and would strongly consider setting one up, primarily for subcap indy use, should the system improve. |
Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
74
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:25:00 -
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Regan Rotineque wrote:
The modular idea is an awesome one...let us build our homes and live in them and want to fight to defend them.
~R~
CCP Would prefer you live in invincible stations, versus a destructable structure, because god forbid, you might care about losing the pos. |
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Nycterix
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
4
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:26:00 -
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POSes need a revamp. This is readily apparent, and a very large number of players use them.
This was something I was looking forward to from last year's minutes, and to hear this attitude from CCP is very, very disappointing.
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Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition Fatal Ascension
312
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:31:00 -
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To marginalise POS users is to marginalise a LOT of players...
and to decide against implementing something which... when CCP told the CSM at last years summit they were working on... caused absolute, outright GLEE amongst them... is flat out ignoring the CSM... perhaps even going AGAINST what they think... I mean... WTF ccp!?!? Kick Heim... MATE |
Mad Mobius
My Little Pony - Friendship Force
10
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:33:00 -
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This thread is why I voted for Two Step with all of my votes. Please fix Starbases. They have burnt to many directors from the constant management issues and they suck. WE WANT BETTER STUFF! |
nezrel black
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Kill It With Fire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:35:00 -
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Post.
Fix the broken things, like fitting, UI... pain in the ass management of just about everything about them? |
Sigras
Conglomo IMPERIAL LEGI0N
333
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:36:00 -
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Jedediah Arndtz wrote:[quote=Marc Scaurus]Perhaps it could be that current active POS managers are only a small portion of the community because POSes are so bad right now. I once lived in a wormhole and it was a great way to make ISK. The reason I left? Managing the POS that was our supposed home, but felt more like a lean to or something Bear Grylls would make whilst swilling his own ****.
In short, if the POS management community is small, it's only through the continuing failure by CCP to grow it through (at the least) an accessible management system. This.
basically this is the same flawed logic that CCP had when they said that they only worked on balancing the ships that had the biggest impact on the player base . . .
This logic lead to several ships (The Eos, the electronic attack ships, black ops ships) never getting looked at because nobody flew them.
now this is fine logic until you realize that nobody flies them because they suck and never got looked at.
POSs and the economy are clearly the two most broken things in Eve, and should be fixed immediately.
IMHO if you want to make a list of priorities, they should be based on what is most broken, not what effects the most people. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
679
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:36:00 -
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CCP seems to see POSes solely as a tool for research, production, wh life, ... and forgets that POSes are also a tool for players and corporations to leave their mark on the world, their very own little castle.
"Our own POS" already is a stock goal of empire-based corporations - completely regardless of whether they have an actual use for the capabilities offered by a POS or not.
If the POS system would not be quite as terrible as it is POSes would quickly become the EVE equivalent of player-owned housing in other MMOs. I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Lamai Dahma
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:37:00 -
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Post Please fix our POS's :( |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1490
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:37:00 -
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I was soooo close:
Tau Cabalander wrote:#13 Posted: 2012.05.31 20:21
I'd hazard a guess:
* The next major POS upgrade is going to be V3 shaders. * A few years later, the force field will get a facelift, returning to the rainbow soap-bubble look. * Fuel block icons enhanced to a 3D transparent glass-like look. * Anchoring / On-lining / Reinforced timer text will be improved with a new font, scaling, and drop-shadows. * New racial POS soundtracks will be added.
All the sort of important things we've been begging for for years.
/bittervet
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David Zahavi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:39:00 -
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I can't imagine the current POS system still lasting another 2 years. I'll for sure have quit by then from this wonderful thing called BURNOUT. |
Syn Fatelyng
Redanni
73
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Posted - 2013.01.17 07:40:00 -
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I would be more inclined to install POSes for my corporation if fuel consumption was proportionate to the modules online. |
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