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The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:23:00 -
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As someone who used to fuel these things and someone who has lived in a wormhole : signed.
Also agreeing with the sentiment that the reason this would only affect a small subset of users is because most people refuse to deal with the bullshit that is todays system, and redesigning it while making it more attractive to other players would open up this aspect of the game to more people. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
901
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:24:00 -
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Even if POS usage was always going to be a niche thing, they're barely functional as it is. What a lovely message for CCP to send - "minority activity not working well? **** you, then!" "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Sir Substance
I N E X T R E M I S Fidelas Constans
533
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:26:00 -
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Dear CCP.
In the current implementation of POS management, I would rather drag my ******* over a bed of red hot rusty thumbtacks then manage POS's on a daily basis.
Have you considered that this might be why only a small portion of the community runs POS's?
If you update POS's to be a fun, good looking and manageable aspect to the game, you may see greater uptake on them.
Please update POS's.
Regards,
Tim Ishtar Starfire: As a pure caldari pilot i feel that with the deployment of the new tier 3 battlecruisers you have given an unfair advantage to everyone except caldari pilots. an example would be like giving a fat kid a whole cake while the skinny kid has to watch and get nothing.
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Kacer Xenro
Team Pizza No Holes Barred
10
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:26:00 -
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Signed, the current measures we take to keep out **** safe in w-space is just ridicoulus and tedious. I feel sorry for whoever in my corp is managing it.
Signed |
Iq Cadaen
Cold Moon Destruction Transmission Lost
27
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:28:00 -
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Fix my POS goddammit! |
Yugo Reventlov
Keeping Up Appearances Happy Cartel
13
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:28:00 -
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So basically they are saying revamping posses would take the full development effort of one expansion and they can't sell that as an expansion. Okay, I get that.
However, POSes need work, so how are they planning on doing it then? Spread the work over different expansions? Is that even possible if the code is as broken as they want us to believe?
I disagree with the argument that POSes affect only a small portion of the community. How big is the "enablers & instigators" part of the community? Speaking of which, POS management seems like one of the things that "enablers & instigators" would be interested in. |
enterprisePSI
162
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:28:00 -
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signed.
Also a POS Owners Union or POU-« should exist. The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one. enterprise-psi-¬
I made tweet, Y U NO FOLLOW!!! |
Jack Lo
B0rthole Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:29:00 -
[218] - Quote
Dude, cmon |
Liarali
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:30:00 -
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CCP, your stance on this is unacceptable. You're spitting in the face of selfless logi bros everywhere. |
Ziv Erth
E X C E P T I O N
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:31:00 -
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The POS change should not be a fix to the inventory system. that would really only reach a few players.
The POS change shouldn't be a move from loose modules to a single structure. that would just be pretty.
The POS change should be what I've seen discussed in CSM minutes, letting us place POSes where we please (almost) enabling new and exciting ways to use POSes. in a belt for mining, near a planet for ring mining, near eachother to create industrial hubs. Near eachother to create wormhole communities. Near eachother to create defensible camps. The ramifications of a real revamp would tie into sov, inevitably. and sov needs a fix too. it would tie into all sorts of industry, and industry in eve needs a fix.
Not because everyone's lives are touched by poses right now.
because everyone's lives SHOULD be touched by poses right now.
A POS of your own should be a goal to strive for for almost anyone in the eve universe, not just a painful requirement for a few.
A POS of your own should be as cool and beneficial as many of us first thought the current ones would be.
I've set up more than one POS and I'm equally sad every time I realise that it'd be less work and more profit from just using a station a few systems away.
POSes are cool as **** as a concept and EVE deserves POSes that actually live up to their own potential. |
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Malagar
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:32:00 -
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Sedilis wrote:Outrageous u-turn CCP!
Because of the terrible security on POS we w-space corp are forced to exclude large parts of the player base from our recruitment. When we explained this to Greyscale and Masterplan last March they could see this hits your bottom line.
We don't want the whole company for a whole expansion.
We don't even need a whole new pos system.
WE NEED SECURE SHIP STORAGE.
Please give us access control lists on Ship Maintenance Arrays!
Couldn't agree with Sed more here, don't forget about WH's |
Evansec
In Fevered Dreams
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:36:00 -
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New POS is a Jesus Feature, and it would benefit the whole community. Certainly the "instigators and enablers" you, according to the minutes, want to cater to. Open your god damn eyes, CCP. |
Illipsys
Bite Me inc Bitten.
8
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:36:00 -
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I've spent pretty much my entire eve career inside wh's and whilst my knowledge of how others interact with POS's outside of this admittedly niche playerbase may be limited, industry & production and the nightmare of role allocation and distribution affects low/null/high and ( most especially ) WH.
If CCP wishes to cast us aside as a small portion of the community, could they perhaps publish some statistics to back up this claim?
How many people interacted with a CHA or SMA per month comparatively with stations etc? I realise it will not be of the scale, b ut i question whether we are as 'small' as they represent us being. as I personally know thousands of people log in every day to traverse the space of wormholes from their POS's, run missions or industry from their POS's in null or stage their forward armada in a great conflict from POS's in null/low. They are an integral part of the game the way YOU have designed it.
You made us promises, it's time to keep them. We've been incredibely patient, but you finally said those magic words and you better by god stick to them :)
Regards,
Apathetic Wormhole Denizem. |
Forget Myface
Lead Farmers Origin Kill It With Fire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:37:00 -
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Sedilis wrote:Outrageous u-turn CCP!
Because of the terrible security on POS we w-space corp are forced to exclude large parts of the player base from our recruitment. When we explained this to Greyscale and Masterplan last March they could see this hits your bottom line.
We don't want the whole company for a whole expansion.
We don't even need a whole new pos system.
WE NEED SECURE SHIP STORAGE.
Please give us access control lists on Ship Maintenance Arrays!
THIS! |
Joe Widowmaker
Barr Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:37:00 -
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I'm starting to wonder if they're just testing the community at this point, trying to rustle our jimmies. Yes we'd like a change to poses, no I don't manage one at the moment (because they're so broken). |
Mirrodin
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
50
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:41:00 -
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I do not post to the forums often, but this is something worth posting for. The POSes need fixed. The only reason I packed up and moved into wormholes in the last year, was that I knew (or thought I knew) that POSes were being redone.
Clearly, I'm a part of just a small group of players. :( |
Ludwig Frohlich
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:42:00 -
[227] - Quote
Two step wrote:If you want CCP to work on the POS system, either by improving the current one or by starting work on the long awaited Modular POS system, post here.
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Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
203
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:43:00 -
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Yugo Reventlov wrote:So basically they are saying revamping posses would take the full development effort of one expansion and they can't sell that as an expansion. Okay, I get that. .
They've already passed rebalances and bug fixes as "expansions". Literally anything goes when it comes to CCP it seems.
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Connall Tara
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
66
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:45:00 -
[229] - Quote
as someone who uses invention to make isk I whole heartedly support twostep on this motion. Fly reckless cohost and all round bad pilot o7 |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1675
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:46:00 -
[230] - Quote
POSes are only used by a minority, because the system is so utterly terrible that only a small amount of people can be **trusted with any access at all** For instance, a WH corp of 50 people might have 5 people with full access, so you see this as 10% of people using them. However, 100% of that corp actually suffer from that terrible system.
It's a barrier to small groups living in lowsec. It's a barrier to small groups living in nullsec. It's a barrier to small groups living in WHs It's a giant pain in the ass for large groups living in nullsec.
CCP, how are you this blind? - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition Fatal Ascension
313
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:46:00 -
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Joe Widowmaker wrote:I'm starting to wonder if they're just testing the community at this point, trying to rustle our jimmies. Yes we'd like a change to poses, no I don't manage one at the moment (because they're so broken).
It is very strange that CCP would ignore and decide against implementing a feature that 99% of the entire eve community unilaterally support.
For a change, this isn't raging about something being badly implemented... like monocle gate, or unified inventory, or walking in stations, or factionwarfareLPgate, or mining barge buff etc...
This is the community getting together and saying that WE WANT something in our game. Kick Heim... MATE |
Evelgrivion
Calamitous-Intent
223
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:46:00 -
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It really burns to have that sense of vindication, after all these years, of an old and long popular idea, be suddenly snatched away on the grounds of dissatisfied starbase users being seen as an insignificant minority in the grand space opera by the man calling the shots.
"Surprise! We're not doing modular starbases in the foreseeable future because the number of people affected is too small. New shiny is more important than making bad features that work into good features that work well."
I am not a happy man. |
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
94
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:46:00 -
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This is so very disappointing. W-space has not gotten any love since release. now CCP backs down on the POS revamp we've all been looking forward to since CSM 5 brought it up?
Want me to list some other niche features a large portion of the EVE populace doesn't give no fucks about ?
bollocks.
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LF9000
NO TAX QUITE LAX
6
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:49:00 -
[234] - Quote
POS need to be reworked to make WH life less of a hassle. (Read: Not easier, just less convoluted) |
psycho freak
Snuff Box
243
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:50:00 -
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Pos's only effect a small portion of players?
Damn that weed in iceland must be good
hmm maybe ccp should take a look at they sever and see just how many active pos are ingame in all areas
pos effects ppl from every area and need a major overhall from the managment side as well as things like refine rate that null baers been crying years for
for a group of ppl who made what gota be one of the best online games around they seem a bit clueless at times my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k
nop cant find it |
Jev North
Anshar Incorporated
136
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:52:00 -
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"A small portion of the community."
It might have been a larger portion of the community f the majority of people who end up dealing with POSs wouldn't end up in padded cells afterwards.
Complete redesign of the system into this modular POS thing may in fact be be overreaching, but some kind of revamp is sorely needed. The fuel block change was nice; more of that sort, please. |
Z1gy
Vindicator Corporation
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:52:00 -
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one of the main reason i voted for selene was that about the pos revamp/re iteration . pls CSM push for POS revamp or improvement! the roles system are PITA and for you to do a invention and building stuff you need a bunch of roles and access to corp wallet division and some of the roles are not intuitive.
so either you revamp post or make more slot available in station for copying and invention and manufacturing |
Mad Mobius
My Little Pony - Friendship Force
11
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:54:00 -
[238] - Quote
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/July_2011_Prioritization_Crowdsourcing
Please pay special attention to Item #75 in the results lists.
Fly Safe o7o7o7o7o7o7 |
Tas Nok
Hedion University Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:54:00 -
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Having had to work with POSes in HS, LS and WH space I confirm they are a pain in the backside and the reason a small percentage of the populace "interacts" with them is two-fold: A. If we let every scrub recruit have access to the POS tower(s) we'd be robbed blind B. The interface for managing a POS is so clunky and abnormal NO ONE wants to mess with them, leaving the fewest folks possible to manage the towers that are the industrial/research backbone of Eve and home away from home for WH dwellers. (has anyone at CCP tried to control the mods on a tower lately? it is easily the most dated UI in the game)
The last improvement was the fuel blocks... about 18Mo ago? it was a nice change, but hardly a major change, we just added a mfr. step and got 1 item where we used to have 8, kinda washes out.
Some thoughts... for the CSM, CCP, whoever... I thought the idea of using the current station egg mechanic was horrible, esp in WH space, but it carries the seed of a really GOOD idea, which should involve minimal coding... create 3 new classes of stations, S/M/L and make them destructible, current stations would be XL and destruction issue left open. all the traits of stations, hangars, personal space, no shield bubble, no guns outside would all be in place (you get a ton of extra HP for the loss of offensive/defensive mods) <-- this needs more fleshing out but its too late to type more.
While a proper full revamp is the desired path, I understand why CCP thinks it would be a maximum effort for minimal gain, I cannot count the number of annoyed corpies who have had to hand over their BPO's to a director for research, or the number of problems caused when setting up a POS in WH space and you forget to restrict access to a certain hangar and all your best PVPer toys are laid out for anyone. The reasons for posting a "keep out" sign on the POS varies from research, to theft to simply being responsible for the logistics of fueling... we have to keep out most of our own folks for our/their own safety.
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Fellblade
Octavian Vanguard
21
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:55:00 -
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The POS revamp should be something that they are aiming to do for the 'Instigators' and 'Enablers'. One of the first things that people need once they start organizing groups of players to do anything meaningful is start using POSes.
It seems paradoxical that they are saying that they want to do things for the 2000-or-so instigators in the game, but that they don't want to do POSes as the number of people managing them is small - I see a lot of overlap in those two groups.
But all of the above is not even taking into account that the people who currently do POS management is not the group of users that POS changes would affect. POS limitations affect every single player in wormhole space, making it a nightmare to recruit new players, and affect huge numbers of players using POSes in high, low and null to boot. |
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