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Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
55
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Posted - 2013.10.04 19:30:00 -
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143 pages.... 2848 posts... 35 times more posts than the next highest post count on page 1 of Jita Park (as of this exact moment).... is commonly refered to as "the dead horse" because of how many times in the past several years it's been brought up as something we the players want changed and it's still getting beaten.... the players have spoken, ccp still dont listen. <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
Dring Dingle
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
65
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:25:00 -
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Demyen wrote:Oswaldos wrote:Does anybody else see the new deployable personal hangers as a stepping stone to test the water for possible modular poses or is it just me? Nope, not just you. They're very clearly a stepping stone, the careful beginnings of just the POS system we've been clamoring for. I think in one to two years' time we'll look at whatever POS system is in place and go, "well damn." Whether that'll be a good "damn" or a bad one remains to be seen, but for a variety of reasons, I'm pretty sure it'll be the former.
Ahhh such optimism, I remember feeling that same way over 2 years ago .... I hope in another two years you don't loose it like I have xD
As far as the personal hangar arrays, are they not just poco's that are anchorable in side your bubble? I'm holding out for some real changes.... I think it's a stretch to call them a steeping stone.
O7 Dringy |
Flamespar
Woof Club
807
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Posted - 2013.10.06 00:46:00 -
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Demyen wrote:Oswaldos wrote:Does anybody else see the new deployable personal hangers as a stepping stone to test the water for possible modular poses or is it just me? Nope, not just you. They're very clearly a stepping stone, the careful beginnings of just the POS system we've been clamoring for. I think in one to two years' time we'll look at whatever POS system is in place and go, "well damn." Whether that'll be a good "damn" or a bad one remains to be seen, but for a variety of reasons, I'm pretty sure it'll be the former.
I would assume no such thing. This is CCP. And they have a very good track record of introducing something and then ignoring it for years.
I would like it if CCP would give some sort of indication where this feature is going. At the moment all it looks like is a new set of deployables, which has nothing to do with a modular POS system. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
FightingMoose
Norse'Storm Battle Group
9
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Posted - 2013.10.11 17:30:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:Demyen wrote:Oswaldos wrote:Does anybody else see the new deployable personal hangers as a stepping stone to test the water for possible modular poses or is it just me? Nope, not just you. They're very clearly a stepping stone, the careful beginnings of just the POS system we've been clamoring for. I think in one to two years' time we'll look at whatever POS system is in place and go, "well damn." Whether that'll be a good "damn" or a bad one remains to be seen, but for a variety of reasons, I'm pretty sure it'll be the former. I would assume no such thing. This is CCP. And they have a very good track record of introducing something and then ignoring it for years. I would like it if CCP would give some sort of indication where this feature is going. At the moment all it looks like is a new set of deployables, which has nothing to do with a modular POS system.
I think you're wrong about this. CCP has made clear that fixing the POS system is high on their to-do list, but can't be done in a single expansion, and that the new POS system will be built from the ground-up. With these deployable pads, they've coded plenty of what would be required for a new POS system (and made that quite clear as well as dropping POS hints by saying that all of the code for deployable structures is new, and doesn't rely on any legacy POS code).
CCP Seagull's vision for the future of EVE online, if it can be believed (and I think that it can), requires a new POS system. Proud owner of an Ibis. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
822
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Posted - 2013.10.13 07:31:00 -
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FightingMoose wrote:Flamespar wrote:Demyen wrote:Oswaldos wrote:Does anybody else see the new deployable personal hangers as a stepping stone to test the water for possible modular poses or is it just me? Nope, not just you. They're very clearly a stepping stone, the careful beginnings of just the POS system we've been clamoring for. I think in one to two years' time we'll look at whatever POS system is in place and go, "well damn." Whether that'll be a good "damn" or a bad one remains to be seen, but for a variety of reasons, I'm pretty sure it'll be the former. I would assume no such thing. This is CCP. And they have a very good track record of introducing something and then ignoring it for years. I would like it if CCP would give some sort of indication where this feature is going. At the moment all it looks like is a new set of deployables, which has nothing to do with a modular POS system. I think you're wrong about this. CCP has made clear that fixing the POS system is high on their to-do list, but can't be done in a single expansion, and that the new POS system will be built from the ground-up. With these deployable pads, they've coded plenty of what would be required for a new POS system (and made that quite clear as well as dropping POS hints by saying that all of the code for deployable structures is new, and doesn't rely on any legacy POS code). CCP Seagull's vision for the future of EVE online, if it can be believed (and I think that it can), requires a new POS system.
CCP says a lot things. And an awesome sounding vision is the only thing that you can guarantee they will deliver...
Implementing it however... I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Celly S
Concord Attraction Services
172
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Posted - 2013.11.04 04:41:00 -
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POS love Bumpage!!!!
o/ Celly Smunt
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |
Celly Smunt
Concord Attraction Services
173
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Posted - 2013.11.04 04:41:00 -
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POS love Bumpage!!!!
o/ Celly Smunt
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Frying Doom
3199
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:54:00 -
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It is a shame that this went the way of so many promises by CCP.
Frankly I would have preferred this over Odyssey or Rubicon.
Lets face it 2 patches full of disappointment. Odyssey destroyed scanning and made wormholes crappier and Rubicon is just more rebalancing and not much else.
An expansion with a modular POS and fixed corp roles would have gotten them a lot more customers than the crap in those 2 patches. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Celly S
Concord Attraction Services
172
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Posted - 2013.11.05 09:32:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:It is a shame that this went the way of so many promises by CCP.
Frankly I would have preferred this over Odyssey or Rubicon.
Lets face it 2 patches full of disappointment. Odyssey destroyed scanning and made wormholes crappier and Rubicon is just more rebalancing and not much else.
An expansion with a modular POS and fixed corp roles would have gotten them a lot more customers than the crap in those 2 patches.
Well, maybe... and this is a big maybe.... The new personally deploy-able "depots" will be the start.... idk tbh.. |
Celly Smunt
Concord Attraction Services
173
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Posted - 2013.11.05 09:32:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:It is a shame that this went the way of so many promises by CCP.
Frankly I would have preferred this over Odyssey or Rubicon.
Lets face it 2 patches full of disappointment. Odyssey destroyed scanning and made wormholes crappier and Rubicon is just more rebalancing and not much else.
An expansion with a modular POS and fixed corp roles would have gotten them a lot more customers than the crap in those 2 patches.
Well, maybe... and this is a big maybe.... The new personally deploy-able "depots" will be the start.... idk tbh.. |
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans
131
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:36:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:It is a shame that this went the way of so many promises by CCP.
Frankly I would have preferred this over Odyssey or Rubicon.
Lets face it 2 patches full of disappointment. Odyssey destroyed scanning and made wormholes crappier and Rubicon is just more rebalancing and not much else.
An expansion with a modular POS and fixed corp roles would have gotten them a lot more customers than the crap in those 2 patches.
I think you're neglecting to mention that they're rebalancing the entire game starting with the easy stuff and finishing where it really counts; pos and caoitals. Rubicon does not feature player built star gates but it was said they're coming. Would you prefer they focus exclusively on pos which as stated accurately are only affecting a small population thanks to most people still living out of npc stations? |
Frying Doom
3253
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Posted - 2013.11.07 09:04:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Frying Doom wrote:It is a shame that this went the way of so many promises by CCP.
Frankly I would have preferred this over Odyssey or Rubicon.
Lets face it 2 patches full of disappointment. Odyssey destroyed scanning and made wormholes crappier and Rubicon is just more rebalancing and not much else.
An expansion with a modular POS and fixed corp roles would have gotten them a lot more customers than the crap in those 2 patches. I think you're neglecting to mention that they're rebalancing the entire game starting with the easy stuff and finishing where it really counts; pos and caoitals. Rubicon does not feature player built star gates but it was said they're coming. Would you prefer they focus exclusively on pos which as stated accurately are only affecting a small population thanks to most people still living out of npc stations? Rebalancing does not an expansion make.
As to player built stargates coming. They have also said Modular POS is coming, atmospheric flight is coming, walking in stations is coming, etc etc.. |
Balder Verdandi
Czerka. WHY so Seri0Us
189
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Posted - 2013.11.07 10:14:00 -
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I agree ....
Walking in stations was planned back a couple years ago.
POS fixes were promised last year, including a fix to roles and modular POS's, which has been a topic that's been beaten like a dead horse.
I can see a balance to ships, and I agreed with most of it. What I fear is CCP doesn't know how to fix POS's because there isn't any documentation for it and that programming team is gone, and we've been left holding the bag for far too long.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12275
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Posted - 2013.11.07 13:08:00 -
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FightingMoose wrote:CCP has made clear that fixing the POS system is high on their to-do list, but can't be done in a single expansion, and that the new POS system will be built from the ground-up. With these deployable pads, they've coded plenty of what would be required for a new POS system (and made that quite clear as well as dropping POS hints by saying that all of the code for deployable structures is new, and doesn't rely on any legacy POS code).
CCP Seagull's vision for the future of EVE online, if it can be believed (and I think that it can), requires a new POS system.
100% correct.
POS are an abomination. It's going to take a long time to fix them without breaking things in exciting and unpredictable ways. There are many other calls on dev resources. Deployables have the potential to offer an 'end run' around the issue for many of the things that people need POS for in the first place.
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Celly S
Concord Attraction Services
173
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Posted - 2013.11.07 17:09:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:FightingMoose wrote:CCP has made clear that fixing the POS system is high on their to-do list, but can't be done in a single expansion, and that the new POS system will be built from the ground-up. With these deployable pads, they've coded plenty of what would be required for a new POS system (and made that quite clear as well as dropping POS hints by saying that all of the code for deployable structures is new, and doesn't rely on any legacy POS code).
CCP Seagull's vision for the future of EVE online, if it can be believed (and I think that it can), requires a new POS system. 100% correct. POS are an abomination. It's going to take a long time to fix them without breaking things in exciting and unpredictable ways. There are many other calls on dev resources. Deployables have the potential to offer an 'end run' around the issue for many of the things that people need POS for in the first place.
This is why I stated that "maybe" those are the start... it has the potential to be and the potential to grow, but after 9 years of a known issue and repeated threads, conversations and discussions, no one can blame folks for being skeptical, especially when that "vision" includes nothing but generic descriptions and no concrete "we are working on item 1, 2, and 3 which will allow us to go forward with item 4 if all works as intended"
It's also understood that when someone says "we are trying to make this item happen" lots of folks will say "but you promised" if it doesn't happen. The easiest way to avoid that is to simply say (as one person did) "this is not a guarantee, but it is what we are trying to achieve", this is not verbatim as I don't have their statement in front of me, but it's the jist of it and it's spot on imho.
That way folks know what's going on without being able to tell CCP "but you promised"
o/ Celly Smunt.
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |
Dextrome Thorphan
Evil Genius Organisation
1
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:04:00 -
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Celly S wrote:Balder Verdandi wrote: I'll buy my PLEX If you are(or end up being) disappointed in CCP and wish to send them a message financially, plex is not the way to do it. if something needs trained, you're better off to pay cash for the sub and save the money for getting 3 months at a time. Buying plex actually makes more money for CCP than paying with cash/card/paypal and buying blocks of time longer than 1 month A GTC that converts into 2 plex costs $34.95, that's $17.475 for each plex (month of game time) as opposed to $14.95 straight cash purchase for one month. That same $34.95 that when converted to plex will give you 2 months game time can be made to give you 3 months time by simply adding $3.90 to it making a total of $38.85 and saving $6.00 or making CCP take $6.00 less to provide you with the same amount of game time and if you factor in the additional costs of the GTC it can be said that you are actually making them give you that same 3 months of game time that brings in $52.425 to CCP via plex for $13.57 less. So, if you want to make a statement, PLEX is basically saying "Here CCP, have MORE MONEY!!!!!" just something to consider. o/ Celly Smunt.
This is only true if you live in America. For the rest of the world, in most cases, it's cheaper to buy GTCs. Only cheaper eve-website option for me is if I take the 1year subscription plan. All the rest is more expensive than GTCs. And for australians even the 1year subscription plan is more expensive than buying GTCs. |
Dextrome Thorphan
Evil Genius Organisation
1
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:08:00 -
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Dring Dingle wrote:Demyen wrote:Oswaldos wrote:Does anybody else see the new deployable personal hangers as a stepping stone to test the water for possible modular poses or is it just me? Nope, not just you. They're very clearly a stepping stone, the careful beginnings of just the POS system we've been clamoring for. I think in one to two years' time we'll look at whatever POS system is in place and go, "well damn." Whether that'll be a good "damn" or a bad one remains to be seen, but for a variety of reasons, I'm pretty sure it'll be the former. Ahhh such optimism, I remember feeling that same way over 2 years ago .... I hope in another two years you don't loose it like I have xD As far as the personal hangar arrays, are they not just poco's that are anchorable in side your bubble? I'm holding out for some real changes.... I think it's a stretch to call them a steeping stone. O7 Dringy
lol yes, a CCP stepping stone can sometimes be the last step for years and years xD |
Celly S
Concord Attraction Services
174
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:14:00 -
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Dextrome Thorphan wrote:Celly S wrote:Short snipped...
So, if you want to make a statement, PLEX is basically saying "Here CCP, have MORE MONEY!!!!!"
just something to consider. o/ Celly Smunt.
This is only true if you live in America. For the rest of the world, in most cases, it's cheaper to buy GTCs. Only cheaper eve-website option for me is if I take the 1year subscription plan. All the rest is more expensive than GTCs. And for australians even the 1year subscription plan is more expensive than buying GTCs.
That may, or may not be the case, and if so, it's cool, however, I also saw lots of people who were NOT from the US (America) complaining that they were having to pay the same price (or more) at the then current exchange rates for the Second Decade collector's Edition, so while what you are saying may be correct where you're at, I'm fairly sure that it's not that way everywhere.
o/ Thanks for the reply... Celly Smunt.
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |
Santa Spirit
Christmas Spirit and Goodwill Toward Man
195
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Posted - 2013.12.11 23:07:00 -
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POS love all year long...
o7 Santa On Occasion, I must apologize for the things I say because they sometimes make me sound as though I have a clue. Please feel free to join in on the fun Dec 14th. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3918380 (2013) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=183205 (2012) |
Balder Verdandi
Czerka. WHY so Seri0Us
190
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Posted - 2013.12.12 22:31:00 -
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All I want for Christmas is a .....
Modular POS setup so I can pick and choose what I want to do with it, like make ammo and components, moon mining, or have a black hole generator so enemy ships can be sucked up.
Or a plasma rifle in 40 watt range :)
Long live the failure of "Unified Inventory"! Player Owned Station fix dated back to 2006!
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Santa Spirit
Christmas Spirit and Goodwill Toward Man
197
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Posted - 2013.12.13 00:03:00 -
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Balder Verdandi wrote:All I want for Christmas is a .....
Modular POS setup so I can pick and choose what I want to do with it, like make ammo and components, moon mining, or have a black hole generator so enemy ships can be sucked up.
Or a plasma rifle in 40 watt range :)
I can't give you that, but you're welcome to join us Saturday if you'd like to.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/player-stocking-stuffer-giveaway/
On Occasion, I must apologize for the things I say because they sometimes make me sound as though I have a clue. Please feel free to join in on the fun Dec 14th. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3918380 (2013) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=183205 (2012) |
Kelnarn Shaelingrath
River-Rats in space The Ditanian Alliance
2
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Posted - 2013.12.17 16:13:00 -
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POS love please...
The mobile depot is a great item and it's already proven its worth in many a situation.
as Celly said above, it's a great start.
Keln |
Temba Ronin
271
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Posted - 2013.12.20 18:57:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:FightingMoose wrote:CCP Seagull's vision for the future of EVE online, if it can be believed (and I think that it can), requires a new POS system. 100% correct. POS are an abomination. It's going to take a long time to fix them without breaking things in exciting and unpredictable ways. There are many other calls on dev resources. Deployables have the potential to offer an 'end run' around the issue for many of the things that people need POS for in the first place. With Malcanis we have a strong voice for the improvement of the POS on the CSM.
I sure as hell hope he is running for re-election because more work needs to be done.
The CSM needs strong voices and stable personalities to represent us all, a very diverse player base.
Malcanis continue to keep CCP focused on what make the game better for us the players. Malcanis you have our back and come election time we will certainly have yours! The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players! |
Temba Ronin
271
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Posted - 2013.12.20 19:08:00 -
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144 pages since Two Step, the OP, started this thread. CCP please listen to our CSM and the player voices here. POS improvement should be a major priority. It will yield dividends and improve player satisfaction and new player retention. The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players! |
Kelnarn Shaelingrath
River-Rats in space The Ditanian Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.01.14 22:34:00 -
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Wanted to throw a little POS love bumpage into the thread so it doesn't die out and become forgotten.
Keln.
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Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
736
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:27:00 -
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I would like to walk in my pos. Get on this please No trolling please |
Cheekything
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
141
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Posted - 2014.01.17 20:39:00 -
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So did anything actually change with POSes from this thread, not being rude I am genunely curious it looked lik |
Anhenka
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
107
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Posted - 2014.01.17 20:44:00 -
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Would you kindly.... keep working on this? |
Gloria Stephson
Star circle
2
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Posted - 2014.01.18 05:40:00 -
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*bump* Because I still does not have heard anything from CCP that this is a issue they are working to solve. |
Ciara Talari
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2014.01.27 16:45:00 -
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So, hows that POS overhaul coming along that has been promised to us? |
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