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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.06.28 10:22:00 -
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One thing that I find annoying being that Im often in a support role is that I dont get put on the killmails. It basically rewards only the shooting pilots and keeps the covops and logistics pilots in the cold.
I would propose that killmails include everyone in the gang that made the kill so long as that member is within 1 au of the site of the destruction. This would more accurately reflect the teamwork tactics one needs to imploy to be effective in pvp.
What do you think?
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.06.28 10:24:00 -
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An easier and more accurate thing to implement would be to include all those who have initiated a hostile act against the victim.
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.06.28 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake An easier and more accurate thing to implement would be to include all those who have initiated a hostile act against the victim.
Thatsthe way it is now. However, if I remote armor rep a BS that killed another BS, arent I also to credit for the kill? Also what about the covops pilot that let us get the jump in on the guy in the first place ? --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one. |
Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2005.06.28 10:35:00 -
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Another idea would be to not pay to much attention to kill mails.
You got a kill, great.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.06.28 10:38:00 -
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Quote: Another idea would be to not pay to much attention to kill mails.
You got a kill, great.
I agree.
EVE is not an FPS, no need to worry about your FRAG count...
Those who play this game for killmails are kinda playing for the wrong reasons...
I get gaming satisfaction when my "team" wins a battle, more so than when I get a killmail... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!" |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.06.28 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
Originally by: Rodj Blake An easier and more accurate thing to implement would be to include all those who have initiated a hostile act against the victim.
Thatsthe way it is now. However, if I remote armor rep a BS that killed another BS, arent I also to credit for the kill? Also what about the covops pilot that let us get the jump in on the guy in the first place ?
Hostility uincludes such things as ECM and warp scrambling.
As far as I know, these acts do not get you onto a kill mail.
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2005.06.28 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Derisor
Originally by: Rodj Blake An easier and more accurate thing to implement would be to include all those who have initiated a hostile act against the victim.
Thatsthe way it is now. However, if I remote armor rep a BS that killed another BS, arent I also to credit for the kill? Also what about the covops pilot that let us get the jump in on the guy in the first place ?
Hostility uincludes such things as ECM and warp scrambling.
As far as I know, these acts do not get you onto a kill mail.
ECM and scrambling dont kill people, guns do.
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Ishan Shade
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Posted - 2005.06.28 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
Originally by: Rodj Blake An easier and more accurate thing to implement would be to include all those who have initiated a hostile act against the victim.
Thatsthe way it is now. However, if I remote armor rep a BS that killed another BS, arent I also to credit for the kill? Also what about the covops pilot that let us get the jump in on the guy in the first place ?
Not excactly true. You only get posted on a killmail when you actually fired a weapon at someone. Scrambling, Nos, Jamming, basicly every type of EW, doesn't get you on the killmail.
Oh and Derisor, when have you ever been in a battle using only remote repairers? Just go were the action is and fit at least 1 gun, and you'll be on those killmails soon enough.
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Jernau Gurgeh
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Posted - 2005.06.28 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Slaveabuser
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Derisor
Originally by: Rodj Blake An easier and more accurate thing to implement would be to include all those who have initiated a hostile act against the victim.
Thatsthe way it is now. However, if I remote armor rep a BS that killed another BS, arent I also to credit for the kill? Also what about the covops pilot that let us get the jump in on the guy in the first place ?
Hostility uincludes such things as ECM and warp scrambling.
As far as I know, these acts do not get you onto a kill mail.
ECM and scrambling dont kill people, guns do.
Guns don't kill people, rappers do.
There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not. |
Rodge
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Posted - 2005.06.28 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: Rodge on 28/06/2005 11:00:29 Certain old CA corps used to be well known for editing killmails to put tacklers and jamming ships onto the killmail. You could get your mates to do this if you really care about the killmails so much.
If there's going to be any change with killmails, I'd prefer it to be someway of lowering the amount of lag I get when I get a killmail!!!
*Edit - Oh, and people do use non-corpmembers in gangs for scouting and covert ops (especially in Empire). I think they'd prefer for such people to remain incognito and not appear on killmails...
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Slaveabuser
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Derisor
Originally by: Rodj Blake An easier and more accurate thing to implement would be to include all those who have initiated a hostile act against the victim.
Thatsthe way it is now. However, if I remote armor rep a BS that killed another BS, arent I also to credit for the kill? Also what about the covops pilot that let us get the jump in on the guy in the first place ?
Hostility uincludes such things as ECM and warp scrambling.
As far as I know, these acts do not get you onto a kill mail.
ECM and scrambling dont kill people, guns do.
that is by far the most idiotic thing i have read today (cept for the lasers suxx0r thread on ships + modules). they dont kill people directly, granted, but they sure as hell make life easier. Its that kind of attitude that has put EVE in its dmg mod = win situation its in now
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:07:00 -
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If I have people in my team in support / covert-ops roles I would much rather they stayed off the kill mails. All kill mails do is give your enemy free intel. ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay. |
Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
that is by far the most idiotic thing i have read today (cept for the lasers suxx0r thread on ships + modules). they dont kill people directly, granted, but they sure as hell make life easier. Its that kind of attitude that has put EVE in its dmg mod = win situation its in now
Ok, im going to write something I rarly do on forums....LOL!
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:08:00 -
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even if im scrambling/jammin/or using ew i always make sure to fire one shot at the target to makes sure i get on the kill mail. but it should be changed that these acts are enough for you to be part of the kill. _____
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rodge Edited by: Rodge on 28/06/2005 11:00:29 Certain old CA corps used to be well known for editing killmails to put tacklers and jamming ships onto the killmail.
Yes, im sure only CA had that kind of members
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Quote: Another idea would be to not pay to much attention to kill mails.
You got a kill, great.
I agree.
EVE is not an FPS, no need to worry about your FRAG count...
Those who play this game for killmails are kinda playing for the wrong reasons...
I get gaming satisfaction when my "team" wins a battle, more so than when I get a killmail...
YOU dont play to look at your kill count. YOU dont play to collect kill mails. YOU dont care about if you are on the kill mail.
HOW DARE you tell other people how to play the game, what they care about and whyt their goals are! Who do you think you are anyway? I personally love to keep track of my kills as do many many other pvp people. Just because you personally dont like care dosent mean we should leave it out of the game. I personally dont give a darn about agent missions, should we remove them? NO.
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Slaveabuser
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Derisor
Originally by: Rodj Blake An easier and more accurate thing to implement would be to include all those who have initiated a hostile act against the victim.
Thatsthe way it is now. However, if I remote armor rep a BS that killed another BS, arent I also to credit for the kill? Also what about the covops pilot that let us get the jump in on the guy in the first place ?
Hostility uincludes such things as ECM and warp scrambling.
As far as I know, these acts do not get you onto a kill mail.
ECM and scrambling dont kill people, guns do.
ECM quite surely kills people. If they cant target, if they cant move, if they cant warp out, they die. That same person might have prevailed if he had been able to fight back or get out. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one. |
Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
HOW DARE you tell other people how to play the game, what they care about and whyt their goals are! Who do you think you are anyway? I personally love to keep track of my kills as do many many other pvp people. Just because you personally dont like care dosent mean we should leave it out of the game. I personally dont give a darn about agent missions, should we remove them? NO.
Congratulations, you just missed the point. Collecting kill mails wont make you a better PVP`r. You can form a gang with some friends and gank the **** out of lonely travellers and you will get better stats at some killboard and you can gloat about it all yu want. Still wont make you a better PVP`r.
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Slaveabuser
Originally by: Derisor
HOW DARE you tell other people how to play the game, what they care about and whyt their goals are! Who do you think you are anyway? I personally love to keep track of my kills as do many many other pvp people. Just because you personally dont like care dosent mean we should leave it out of the game. I personally dont give a darn about agent missions, should we remove them? NO.
Congratulations, you just missed the point. Collecting kill mails wont make you a better PVP`r. You can form a gang with some friends and gank the **** out of lonely travellers and you will get better stats at some killboard and you can gloat about it all yu want. Still wont make you a better PVP`r.
Whether collecting kill mails will make me a better PvPer or not is completely irrelevant. I like to collect them for my own personal satisfaction. It is not up to you to tell me what I should get satisfaction out of. Many other players enjoy collecting kill mails as well.
Just because you dont like collecting stamps doesnt mean it should be illegal. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one. |
Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:22:00 -
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Disagreed. Those who are not active in a kill should not get killmail mention. Only ECM/Damage people should.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation Disagreed. Those who are not active in a kill should not get killmail mention. Only ECM/Damage people should.
So you think the covops pilot that worked half an hour to jump you in on the target doesnt deserve credit, nor the logistics pilot that armor repped your ship to keep it from being blown up by the target's cruises? PvP in eve is often and usually a team effort, why not reward the whole team? --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one. |
Malken
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:24:00 -
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no they shouldnt.
we really shouldnt get any eve mail either.
what we should get is a ingame browser adress where we can look up on our personal and corp and alliance killstats instead of getting 10sec lag everytime we shoot someone.
the kills does get registered with CCP, CCP then have the engine send out a killmail wich lags the pants off us. with a automatic registration of kills and losses we would get rid of the mail lag and have a official killboard for everyone where all kills and losses are registered.
why not finally make it automatically handled instead of giving us alot more evemail lag.
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Malken no they shouldnt.
we really shouldnt get any eve mail either.
what we should get is a ingame browser adress where we can look up on our personal and corp and alliance killstats instead of getting 10sec lag everytime we shoot someone.
the kills does get registered with CCP, CCP then have the engine send out a killmail wich lags the pants off us. with a automatic registration of kills and losses we would get rid of the mail lag and have a official killboard for everyone where all kills and losses are registered.
why not finally make it automatically handled instead of giving us alot more evemail lag.
Well I see this as a different issue. I posted a thread on the killboard concept. In the case of this thread, just ask whethere the logistics nad covops pilots should be on the official kill board. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one. |
Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
Whether collecting kill mails will make me a better PvPer or not is completely irrelevant. I like to collect them for my own personal satisfaction. It is not up to you to tell me what I should get satisfaction out of. Many other players enjoy collecting kill mails as well.
Isnt the kill itself satesfaction enough? (should be)
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Just because you dont like collecting stamps doesnt mean it should be illegal.
Actually Ive heard there are serious crimes linked to stamp collecting. Apparently some stamps are so valuable that those that have large collections have kiled for rare items. So yeah, stamp collecting should be illegal.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.06.28 11:27:00 -
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No, but it doesn;t mean we need official support to let anyone involved on teh mail either does it ?
I like to collect corpses opf kills i was involved in, CCP please make sure everyone involved in a podding gets his own copy of the corpse ...
I do agree all agressive acts as classed that way by concord should make you appear on the mail, and that includes remote repairing for your information.
But still, my personal preference would go to the total removal of killmails altogether. A list of people killed by your corp or by any pilot is fine, no need for all the e-peenage involved with listing every last person to fire a civ gatling gun at the target, not any need for giving out free intel to anyone that can be arsed to read killboards.
Personally, I couldnt care less what you like to in this game. I care for what the effect of things like official killboards would be on player behaviour in general. _______________________________________________
Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues. |
SinBin
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Posted - 2005.06.28 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation Disagreed. Those who are not active in a kill should not get killmail mention. Only ECM/Damage people should.
So you dont think that covert that drops the gang 5mk off the enermy snipers had a part to play in the kill ? or all his scouting work confiming your time to warp in ect ?.
I hope noone bother scouting for you again.
What about if all in gang show on mail, I recall the reverse problem also. we found 1 player putting 1 gun on many ships so he was on many kills.
Or what rod said, do any with kill mail & i might even lesson the wimpy kills on hauler & noo ships & even empty ships that many use to bump there kills. _______________________________________
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.06.28 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: SinBin
Originally by: Discorporation Disagreed. Those who are not active in a kill should not get killmail mention. Only ECM/Damage people should.
So you dont think that covert that drops the gang 5mk off the enermy snipers had a part to play in the kill ? or all his scouting work confiming your time to warp in ect ?.
I hope noone bother scouting for you again.
What about if all in gang show on mail, I recall the reverse problem also. we found 1 player putting 1 gun on many ships so he was on many kills.
Or what rod said, do any with kill mail & i might even lesson the wimpy kills on hauler & noo ships & even empty ships that many use to bump there kills.
The covert ops probably had the most important role to play.
Of course the mature corp members of the covert ops pilot know this.
I dont think the cov ops pilot NEEDS a certificate of achievement or a gold star to prove hes valuable. We know this already.
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XkoalaX
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Posted - 2005.06.28 12:23:00 -
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Obviously the system is 100% correct as it is.
If you kill something or contribute to killing something you get a kill mail.
If you don't fire a gun at it you haven't contributed to the kill. Easy as that.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2005.06.28 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal I agree.
EVE is not an FPS, no need to worry about your FRAG count...
Those who play this game for killmails are kinda playing for the wrong reasons...
I get gaming satisfaction when my "team" wins a battle, more so than when I get a killmail...
I agree __________________________
Finite Horizon Your end is our beginning.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.06.28 12:33:00 -
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If you CHOSE to play support, and don't get on killmails...that's the price you pay.
DON'T then whine you're not on killmails. *gives Derisor some cheese*
OFFENSIVE actions shouls be on a killmail. That includes EW. But a CovOps, just because it's present? NO.
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